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Looks like somebody is having severe rectal itch today.
How can I sooth your pain and bring you relief for your discomfort?
Bamn doesn't seem like somebody you could have a fun conversation with.
@ztec my fan club grows bigger every day
I'm sure there's a club growing somewhere.
Ppl are preparing the clubs, agreed.
There is (in general) no such thing as network abuse except DDoSes or things like those.
I saw ppl using 10 tb a month on a big node sharing the 1 gbps card.
Sure, I also saw one torrenter pushing 800+ mbps to the point that there starts to be packet loss as the NIC began to reach capacity, but that was a one off as the guy was trying to seed a "source" game which was just released.
If your network cant sustain the BW you are selling, there is something wrong some place.
I do appreciate the heads up, but 500G a week is nothing for us anyway.
The actual problems will happen if we get DMCAes, but if it gets to that point, they'd be suspended anyway.
Don't intend to violate anyone's privacy by 'being on the lookout' either way.
You privacy folks are hilarious.
Head in the sand and wait for the monitoring system to blow up then the support tickets flooding in.
Gotta love reactionary, not proactive companies.
It's not that, it's that you can't go snooping through their files. Sure I could visit the public facing IP in my browser, but that could easily not direct to a virtual host that they're using (perhaps I could research further on the public side but who has all day to spend preventing what a DMCA easily handles?). Hands are tied. Using purchased bandwidth simply is not a violation. I've terminated someone for using the exact hostname (domain included) that has been reported all over the net and even used on our server in the past (within 2 weeks) for spamming and nothing but spamming, but that's a rare scenario. It has to be certain. Otherwise why even run the business? No one will do business with someone who they know is snooping through their clients data, and you will be caught (when, not if).
^ this.
The only reason I personally refuse to host with OVZ hosts is because how easy it is for them to snoop at my files.
I have no plans of doing the same to my clients, intended or not. If I get a complaint, it'll be dealt with then.
What does this have to do with proactive? Predicting the future? How would you know? So if I created a text file and left some Windows keys in there on a VPS, is this illegal? Where do you draw the line?
Unless there's a complaint or legit obvious reasons it'll just be a legal battle ground that will go for ages.
Show me where I implied or suggested this. Seriously, LowEndAlwaysOutOfContext?
"Heads up" = Hmmmm... why are bursts of 50-100Mbps coming from this VPS, complaints come in about the bandwidth saturation and it mysteriously goes away.
Now for you big huge hosting companies with expensive infrastructure, the most sophisticated monitoring system, the most awesome in the world customers who bake you cookies on your birthday and are absolute darlings that you've adopted as your own children who you invite over for Thanksgiving every year - this thread is not for you.
I'm just warning those smaller providers, who only may have a limited amount of bandwidth, because these scumbags do the hosting shuffle game, will go to a poorly ran company and probably cause problems then spread like cancer to somebody else. If we decide to give him the boot, we will recommend him to all the providers on this discussion. We do not fall under this position as a small company but if that WBOT guy goes crazy and your "legal torrent" (yeah right) folks go crazy at the same time, you're in a mess.
How many of you knew what WBOT was before this? Yep. Thought so.
Did I say violate privacy?
Did I even suggest it?
Did I say snoop through files?
Did I even suggest it at any time?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=heads+up
Sorry @jarland but used to respect your opinion until this one.
@concerto49 I'm not going to dignify your silliness with a response. Somehow this discussion got hijacked (WHOA???? SERIOUSLY? ON HERE?) into some offtopic discussion about snooping in people's files.
For those accuse me of such, show me exactly where I said it or admit where you were wrong.
Ok.
You know very well that your options are to snoop or wait for reports, unless node resources are being abused. Using purchased bandwidth is not abuse, period, end of story. Only logical conclusion is that you are suggesting that we snoop.
You implied it here:
Implication being avoiding tv streaming > privacy. If you have an alternate meaning, I am all ears.
You need to calm down, I couldn't possibly care less if you or anyone agrees with me on this. This isn't about making a good face for potential clients, let's assume none of them read these words: My client's privacy is a top priority. I will not snoop, I will not investigate non-abusive usage even as far as vzpid. I will react to a DMCA notice. The alternative is not running a business.
Conclusion: You are suggesting snooping, suspending users for using purchased resources, or some magical third option that doesn't exist. There is no logical interpretation of your words that does not fit into one of these three things. Prove me wrong
Calm down? You are violating my emotional privacy by going through my text without my permission
Did I even suggest it?
Either trolling or truly ignorant to your own words. I don't care which, have fun, appreciate the warning but I would actually encourage you to openly insult me further for valuing client privacy. Free advertisement.
Good job jarland.
I asked you to point out where you accuse me of going through files and you couldn't even respond.
CatalystHost: classy beyond all belief. Abuse our network as you please.
Good job bamn, you can't even read the posts you respond to. It's the logical interpretation of your posts. If you have an alternate interpretation, stop crying like a baby and type it. If you wanna talk like an adult, listen like one.
Suggesting? Suspending users? You are seriously out there in left field, buddy.
I would seriously stop before you ruin yourself representing your own company. Ever heard about the proverbial "hang yourself with your own rope".
I don't think anyone cares, most are probably laughing at me for responding to you. I'll ask you one more time, because this is funny to me, but it's almost lost the humor.
Interpret the following post for me. Tell me what proactive action you suggest we take? If you're insulting us for being reactionary and not proactive, you either have an idea of what proactive means or you don't even understand the words you type.
So what is it? Gonna insult me or tell me what you call proactive in response to the scenario that you started a topic over?
@jarland responded with perfect reason, you are now sitting with your head in the sand refusing to acknowledge it. He asked you to prove him wrong you did not imply snooping with some other explanation, I see you offered none, but continue to insult all LowEnd providers instead, thanks!
But he warned us all! laughs
So where's your magical mystery deep packet inspection stop people from streaming solution?
Dumber than a bag of hammers.
Customer previous tripped monitoring systems for a short term, which looked like a false positive but enough for an alert, then started going crazy affecting other customers. He talked about WBOT, I didn't know what it was and I did some research (HINT: LIKE... GOOGLE) then realized I never heard about this piece of crap web app which is about as annoying as RapidLeech or any kind of "file hosting" (warez) crap
Decided to pass the word and I guess you guys love surprises. I guess I can't share this info, even for the smaller guys.
@Kris discussing company infrastructure would violate our company privacy policy. Sorry
http://i.imgur.com/7tk5n.png
I'm guessing you just oversell like it's going out of style and are used to keeping things "locked down" per se, or use spiffy SolusVM graphs looking for outliers and snuck into /vz/private or took a look at processes.
Well if it's CPU or disk abuse you should've just said so, that's a clear violation.
Typically my abusive clients don't talk about anything. Intrigued that you got one to open up.
Not the case. I, and others here, said we appreciate the warning but with the information given it sounded like something that could only be caught two ways:
1. Snooping
2. DMCA notice
In which case, yeah, we'd have to be reactive and not proactive. Our hands are pretty well tied if the only resource noticeably used is bandwidth. That's why we set limitations on bandwidth. If they burst the heck out of it they're just going to run out of it, but a well configured node shouldn't let everyone else's VPS timeout because one is bursting the port speed. Just doesn't happen that way in most scenarios. You should limit sockets to prevent them from taking over the entire node.
I wasn't accusing you of anything until you saw us say "That doesn't sound like something we could catch without violating privacy or waiting for a DMCA" and you turned around to insult us for, what appeared to be, caring more about privacy than the abuser you warned us about.
With that said, for the third time, I appreciate the warning
Broken English, mentioned wbot in a 3 line run on sentence, and when I saw app mentioned in the support ticket is when I decided to go looking where I found the developer homepage. It's just like RapidLeech abuse but upload instead of download.
1. Snooping
"So how did you find out"
Problem solved.
Don't make an ass out of yourself by making assumptions.
@bamn Yeah, I hear you, I'm just not sure what monitoring they tripped. I don't monitor bandwidth usage that strong because abuse typically hits CPU or disk. Earlier you suggested/implied the only sign was high bandwidth, which would alert me to just about everyone on the Denver node every day.
That node had predictable baselines and when he was assigned to a pretty idle node is when the odd stuff happened
All good. Thanks for the tip.
What has DPI to do with it...
You can at most know they use some streaming protocol, not the content, we have ppl that are streaming their sunday mass in the church, how would DPI be able to tell the difference between that and porn, for example...
No, this is why DMCA has been introduced, not to punish ppl but to be a reason for the safe harbour provisions we enjoy.
So, instead of going with guns blazing in the DCs and shoot everyone, RIAA must first send a take down notice so we know to take down the content which is infringing.
Only if we dont, they can go further.
That is the idea some ppl do not understand. It is a way of warning providers without violating privacy and exposing them to legal issues.
I wont accept to be "proactive" like watching the streamed video (how would i do that if it is over https or other encrypted protocol and not stored locally at all as it is with video streams) or looking through the files untill I know there is clear abuse and even then I first shutdown the VPS (if it impacts other user's performance) and give time to the user to fix it, or not even that, I send a warning to fix it asap before it does impact others.
Where is my thanks button...