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What's the deal with ColoCrossing?

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  • @singsing said:
    Out of interest, can anyone tell me specifically what ColoCrossing is doing wrong?

    They have an incompetently administered network from an abuse standpoint.

    However, that's on purpose ($$), rather than a result of general stupidity.

  • William said: Support to distribution of illegal pornography without actual ownership ("accomplice") - 3 years probation - Technically? Sure. Did i know it? Partly, as i knew what can run over Tor, was mixed with some chatlogs though that had nothing to do with Tor but eh, government... Huge costs for expert witness and court on top.

    Busted for running an exit node? The Tor people should really try to raise more awareness about this kind of thing. All they say is "DMCA safe harbor, bro" but of course that doesn't cover any legal issues other than copyright. Still, in the U.S. I don't think you can be found to have mens rea unless you were aware of a "high probability" of illegal use of your exit node.

  • No IPv6 support...

  • Silvenga said: No IPv6 support

    Now you're just looking for things to complain about.

  • miau said: Because my server was under anticipated traffic surge, and whatever thing that monitor their network freaked out and mistakenly flag it as DDoS attack and took my server out network.

    Happened to me too once, but it hasn't happened recently.

  • @singsing said:
    Now you're just looking for things to complain about.

    Not really. It's not that hard to implement... they're just super lazy.

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  • hack brand like cc. sell on dark place for spoof still. bad man.

  • singsingsingsing Member
    edited August 2015

    OnraHost said: Not really. It's not that hard to implement... they're just super lazy.

    Sure, it may be easy. But if a plan doesn't come with IPv6, that's that. Not something to complain about. Different situation if the plan-included IPv4 address you get is already banned left and right.

  • @singsing said:
    Sure, it may be easy. But if a plan doesn't come with IPv6, that's that. Not something to complain about. Different situation if the plan-included IPv4 address you get is already banned left and right.

    It's not about if it comes with a plan or not..it's not even the practical use of IPv6. It's about the fact that something so basic, is still pretty much nonexistent in 2015, almost 2016. The fact that it's been asked by a gallon of times for them to implement, and it's fallen on deaf ears.

    But to each their own..agree to disagree.

  • JonchunJonchun Member
    edited August 2015

    @OnraHost said:
    But to each their own..agree to disagree.

    How is ipv6 useful? Exactly. Its not. Its not falling on deaf ears. They're just smart enough to not spend money/time on implementing useless features. They're a budget host after all.

  • Jonchun said: How is ipv6 useful?

    Uhmm, to connect to IPv6-only budget VPS instances, for example.

  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator, Veteran

    @miau

    Send me your IP and I'll be happy to take a look at that.

  • @singsing said:
    Uhmm, to connect to IPv6-only budget VPS instances, for example.

    You're welcome. https://tunnelbroker.net/

  • singsingsingsing Member
    edited August 2015

    @Jonchun said:
    You're welcome. https://tunnelbroker.net/

    Ok, to connect to IPv6-only budget VPS without doing a whole bunch of work that you wouldn't need to do if you just had IPv6.

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  • @singsing said:
    Ok, to connect to IPv6-only budget VPS without doing a whole bunch of work that you wouldn't need to do if you just had IPv6.

    So you're asking ColoCrossing (a super budget provider) to do a whole bunch of work for you?

  • ZappieZappie Member, Host Rep, LIR

    @Jonchun said:
    So you're asking ColoCrossing (a super budget provider) to do a whole bunch of work for you?

    No, I think he is asking ColoCrossing (a super budget provider) to look at the calendar and see its mid 2015 and implement native IPv6 network wide.

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  • @Jonchun said:
    So you're asking ColoCrossing (a super budget provider) to do a whole bunch of work for you?

    I don't think that ColoCrossing is a super budget provider. They're also trying to serve that market, though that doesn't fill a whole DC. From what I understand, they have quite some enterprise clients as well and that's the problem with rolling out IPv6: those are usually not ready for IPv6.

    I'm not trying to defend them or anything: my personal opinion is that IPv6 should have been rolled out long ago for those clients requesting it. Though I can understand it if it isn't rolled out for all clients right now.

    Setting up a HE tunnel as an intermediary solution is really quite simple. I believe I've even written the tutorial on how to do it a while back. It shouldn't cost more than half an hour, or an hour for a whole bunch of servers.

    Jonchun said: How is ipv6 useful? Exactly. Its not. Its not falling on deaf ears. They're just smart enough to not spend money/time on implementing useless features. They're a budget host after all.

    Not sure if you're trolling or serious here.

  • @mpkossen said:
    Not sure if you're trolling or serious here.

    Honestly im being serious. While its an unpopular stance here on LET, for most real world purposes IPv6 is still an afterthought.

    As for the HE tunnel solution, can't the clients just do that themselves? Am I being ignorant here?

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  • @Jonchun said:
    As for the HE tunnel solution, can't the clients just do that themselves? Am I being ignorant here?
    @Jonchun said:
    As for the HE tunnel solution, can't the clients just do that themselves? Am I being ignorant here?

    People can do HE tunnels themselves, but a lot of people don't want single-homed HE IPv6

    As much as I do support IPv6, you are correct when you say that it is often an afterthought. I use it extensively behind dual stack proxies for game servers and web servers that I run, but I wouldn't start an IPv6 only website, for example, because adoption is so low. It does provide a cheap way to give services a dedicated IP address, which is nice for separation and documentation.

    One small advantage is that IPv6 can tend to be better at peak times in some areas, as it typically is only routed through more modern and less congested routers.

  • joepie91joepie91 Member, Patron Provider

    @singsing said:
    A recent LET thread is specifically requesting a non-ColoCrossing VPS provider.

    Searching for ColoCrossing on the LET forms brings up a lot of grumbling but nothing specific.

    Out of interest, can anyone tell me specifically what ColoCrossing is doing wrong?

    This question is asked every now and then - this post summarizes it (though it seems VPSBoard has a new plugin, and it has messed up the post formatting...).

  • Jonchun said: Honestly im being serious. While its an unpopular stance here on LET, for most real world purposes IPv6 is still an afterthought.

    You're actually highlighting the issue with your stance right there. The fact that people consider it an afterthought is the root of the problem.

    Consider what would happen if phone numbers or postal codes are about to run out, but nobody would be using the new phone number or postal code format. There would be some serious issues in that case.

    The same with IPv6. If people won't adopt it before it's "too late" the issue will only be bigger when IPv4 are actually running out.

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  • @mpkossen said:
    The same with IPv6. If people won't adopt it before it's "too late" the issue will only be bigger when IPv4 are actually running out.

    +1

  • @mpkossen said:
    Consider what would happen if phone numbers or postal codes are about to run out, but nobody would be using the new phone number or postal code format. There would be some serious issues in that case.

    Like what? You think the phone companies and the postal companies would just sit there losing money instead of rushing at speed-light to server their customers before the go to some up and coming competitor?

  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator, Veteran

    The ColoCrossing network is ready for ipv6. In fact we already announce it. We haven't rolled it out to customers yet because there are security concerns amongst others which we have to handle as to make sure we don't cause network interruptions in the process.

    Things like automated network control, ddos protection, etc, are all issues still with ipv6. Consider this, if you're an enterprise medical customer of ColoCrossing, and the thought of ipv6 has never entered your mind, yet your services go down due to an ipv6 based security issue, you're not going to be happy.

    What I'm trying to say is that it's a balancing act. We want to serve all aspects of our customer base and for that reason we are working to do just that, in time.

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  • @jbiloh said:
    The ColoCrossing network is ready for ipv6. In fact we already announce it. We haven't rolled it out to customers yet because there are security concerns

    Then it's not ready, despite what you may think.

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  • ColoCrossing still own LET?

  • ZappieZappie Member, Host Rep, LIR

    jbiloh said: The ColoCrossing network is ready for ipv6. In fact we already announce it. We haven't rolled it out to customers yet because there are security concerns

    In the case that you mentioned that your network is IPv6 ready, wouldnt you just be able to assign IPv6 connectivity to the clients who request it? I assume then all the public hate for lack of IPv6 will go away

  • WilliamWilliam Member
    edited August 2015

    mpkossen said: It shouldn't cost more than half an hour, or an hour for a whole bunch of servers.

    HE does not allow more than 5 tunnels per user.

    HE IPv6 is also missing routes to Cogent.

    HE is simply NOT PRODUCTION READY does NOT PROVIDE ANY SLA and does NOT GUARANTEE anything.

    ANY DATACENTER should have IPv6 by 2015 - CC HAS A /32 ALLOCATION and ALL THEIR UPSTREAMS SUPPORT IPv6 NATIVELY plus ALL THEIR ROUTERS HAVE NATIVE IPv6 SUPPORT.

    There is NOT A SINGLE REASON for them TO NOT PROVIDE IPv6.

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  • @deadbeef said:
    Like what? You think the phone companies and the postal companies would just sit there losing money instead of rushing at speed-light to server their customers before the go to some up and coming competitor?

    I don't think they would. Yet hosting companies (and more worryingly: ISPs) seem to be doing so.

    William said: HE does not allow more than 5 tunnels per user.

    You can get a /48 per tunnel and use one box (or router even) to distribute that across your nodes. That's about 65,000 /64s and should be enough for most hosts.

    William said: HE IPv6 is also missing routes to Cogent.

    HE is simply NOT PRODUCTION READY does NOT PROVIDE ANY SLA and does NOT GUARANTEE anything.

    I agree with you that it's not perfect, but HE is just an example. You can also get a box elsewhere that supports IPv6 and tunnel it through that. That's a somewhat more time-consuming (and costly) option, though.

    BuyVM managed to make it work from Buffalo and people were quite happy with that. I can't see why others cannot do the same (aside from perhaps not knowing how to).

    William said: There is NOT A SINGLE REASON for them TO NOT PROVIDE IPv6.

    Well, Jon just explained there is and it's hard to argue: some software is simply not ready for it and it could cause issues. So I can understand not enabling IPv6 for those customers. It should be that customer's loss, though.

    I believe though that having "non-compatible" customers shouldn't mean they can't provide it to customers who are "compatible", like VPS providers.

  • WilliamWilliam Member
    edited August 2015

    mpkossen said: Well, Jon just explained there is and it's hard to argue: some software is simply not ready for it and it could cause issues. So I can understand not enabling IPv6 for those customers. It should be that customer's loss, though.

    Providing IPv6 != Configuring it by default. Further, no DC i know provides IPv6 by DHCP6/Autoconf anyway - it's always manual config.

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