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Does Encryption Not Works In Pakistan
burraqkhan
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I read on internet that Pakistan is banning on VoIP and the encryption Is not working..
My Question is that,does enncryption or Voip Is not working in Pakistan.But Viber Whats up Imo.im Encrypted Chats services are freely available and working well
Does These Software not Encryping their Data in Pakistan ??Are Our Chats Really Secured Or Not
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Not really, everything works there. WhatsApp, Viber, Skype everything works well and if they do encryption for customers in other countries, then they also do in Pakistan.
And BTW who told you that encryption is not working?
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As he said - Someone. Someome who made fun about the OP obviously..
I Use to talk with my famliy and my wife on SSL/TLS encryption Software like imo.im and skype..but i was really worried that when i read some posts on internet that encryption and cyphers VoIp are banned in Pakistan..then i feel really insecure..if my voice callings video calling are not ecrypting then where will be our privacy?
..easliy some one watching me like hidden middle man.
can some one really assure me that these softwares are realy as secure as i feels when i use them for video or voice calling ( imo.im or skype)
Yes NSA & your ISP is watching your back.
Some old news: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/aug/30/pakistan-bans-encryption-software
http://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/23380/pakistan-isps-blocking-ips-using-vpn-etc
Apparently it's illegal and your ISP might block it.
What I can say, that's not implemented as of now. I myself reside in Pakistan & have PTCL as ISP which is backed by government so if that's been implemented so we would be first to face that.
But Sady
If Encypted Software Are Working Here..so its not a clear msg that their encryption is working here..or these software are dont use encryption methods in pakisran.?
is there any easy way to check our softwares are realy encrypting our chats or not?
They probably collect data for now and implement blocks later.
General safe assumption: Company not based in Pakistan + Servers not based in Pakistan = Will use encryption if available in other countries.
This is a false information that encryption is not allowed in Pakistan & I do not know why this same thing is asked again & again. A couple of years ago they had started blocking all those IPs running teamspeak, mumble & other similar stuff because they suspected those could be used for communication by people involved in illegal activities but soon realized all they were doing was preventing people from talking to their friends & fellow gamers. So it was stopped but even during that time you could easily gt your IP whitelisted within 24 hours by simply sending an email to Pakistan Telecommunications Authority (PTA).
Not true, you are free to use encryption.
so? They still collect data and probably block later... why else would your state telco buy millions of $ of Chinese censorship gear? To watch Netflow?
To ban porn & those websites which spread religious hatred & disrespect. Everything else is allowed & not censored.
Yea, like YouTube, Twitter or Facebook, right? Simple IP blocks (each of this companies runs their own AS) also requires million dollar high-end DPI hardware, right? VPN detection and anti-scramble is there to prevent "religious hatred", right?
Twitter & Facebook are not blocked. VPN is also allowed.
I have a cloud VM from https://www.cubexsweatherly.com and I can confirm that facebook & twitter work while most of the popular 18+ websites are blocked. I am also running a teamspeak on it and no one ever said anything.
@William please do not take any offense on this but are you Indian or Jewish? asking only because other day one of my friends from Pakistan told me that almost all of the people spreading false information about Pakistan are either Indians or Jewish.
Has Pakistan ever been at war with Israel or India? Because what my friend said otherwise makes no sense.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/sep/21/pakistan-asia-muslim-us-protests
^ can't have le prophet insulted again, must censor le internet
I never said VPN was blocked. VPN is monitored - This is what Huawei appliances do all day long, log VPN/Socks (and other) traffic and write long lists of blockable IPs (= server) on one side and IPs to be monitored (= you) by state on the other side. What your government does with this hardware (or the resulting data) is not my interest; simply OWNING and OPERATING it is already extremely questionable, especially to "block porn and religious hatred".
I'd also like to remind you how the main Paki ISP took down Googles network (parts of YouTube) the last time they tried to implement a YT ban - They don't even KNOW how to use the Chinese equipment, which makes this entire problem even more worrysome.
Bans are also replicated to downstreams (unlike the Chinese, similar to Iran) - Causing Pakistani censorship to also affect Afghanistan and parts of Iran.
Yes, so?
That's a very far fetched conclusion, but here's some history:
Yes, ideological with Israel (by being a majority muslim state and a major sponsor and supporter of international terrorism through the ISI) and conventional with India (multiple times).
The decision to block porn was not an act of "dictatorship" like what happens in other countries but the decision of supreme court as it was against the moral values of that society. Also 95% of electronics, electrical & telecommunication related equipment used in Pakistan by government, private businesses/institutions & common people is Chinese & this has been the case for roughly 20+ years whereas there was no porn blocked in Pakistan before 2006. It has nothing to do with censorship or intention to control but a matter of preference as you yourself admitted that "They don't even KNOW how to use the Chinese equipment".
Any censorship is an act of dictatorship, for example, blocking discussions about historic events, such as the holocaust makes even european countries guilty of dictatorship. We cannot have free speech in only some areas, if it is free, then nothing is blocked. Being free to discuss anything at your home whispering to your spouse is not free speech. Once we make laws about free speech and religion, then we have at least some dictatorship, the society is not free anymore, religion, hate and fear are already sitting with the rulers at the table, the pretexts and how it came to that are completely irrelevant, even if 99.99% of the population agrees with the government.
Sorry but that is just one side of the story, and the wrong one. This is the side that is told to the people who will believe anything when the world "Islam" is included in it. "Porn and Youtube is blocked because of Islamic reasons" - and suddenly, majority of the population is in support of censorship.
PTCL, the ISP that took down Youtube in 2008 and caused several negative policies against Pakistan and almost a complete shutdown of Internet in Pakistan for 2? days, because they are completely incompetent, happens to save millions in bandwidth costs because of this "Islamic" blocking of porn and Youtube. Streaming is what uses the bandwidth, and both porn and Youtube were using a lot of it. Even Dailymotion, the only large available streaming website in Pakistan is slowed down artificially. Maybe, just maybe, the government's motivation to block these sites was not religious?
For example, PTCL charges $20 for a 4 Mbps DSL connection, whether the largest streaming site is blocked or not. If it's blocked, PTCL just happens to save, or in other words, make millions more. Wholesale IP transit is nearly 40-45 times expensive compared to US.
While PTCL is happy with this, the smaller guys are suffering badly. I spoke with an engineer at a 3G/4G telco in Pakistan, who was clear in saying that they are suffering badly because of this. They charge based on the data usage, and the data usage is severely less when most of the streaming sites are being blocked or slowed down. Users using less data means higher pricing for the people. This doesn't have to do anything with moral values or religion, that is the smokescreen the government put up so the population can support this censorship, and that is exactly what is happening.
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To answer the OP's question - no, encryption isn't blocked in Pakistan.
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in addition to that, Internet censorship can always be bypassed.
Dear Abdullaha .. How Can We Check That Encryption Is Perfectly Supporting Whats Up.Imo.im And other encrypted Apps In Pakistan...Is There Reliable Source to belive
Because they work?
No religion please.
Don't move thread to the wrong direction. Talk about encryption and whether it is blocked or not.
Don't move thread to the wrong direction. Talk about encryption and whether it is blocked or not.
The boss has spoken.
You cannot talk about censorship without at least hinting at the root cause, which is usually propaganda, whether religious, pro-war, anti-minorities and whatnot. Free information helps people understand the issue and then a lot of the power of the propaganda is lost, namely the FUD campaigns against various countries, groups, cults, etc.
Circumventing censorship is like whispering in the corner, it will not solve the issue, censorship must be discussed and it's reasons exposed.
Just false news i think so u ca check ur encrypted traffic using wire shark If true i believe that Pakistan citizens can bypass easily Because as of my knowledge in Asia Pakistan have most cyber security personnel after china
how can i use this software ???
I was merely pointing to the stance which was taken by supreme court when they ordered to block Youtube & other content. And it is not Youtube which is blocked but a few blasphemous videos but since due to the incompetency of PTA staff who couldn't block just such videos the Supreme Court ordered "The site should be banned until a way was found to block all blasphemous content." And it has been 2 & half years and they have still not found a way to do it. Height of incompetence.
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For example, PTCL charges $20 for a 4 Mbps DSL connection, whether the largest streaming site is blocked or not. If it's blocked, PTCL just happens to save, or in other words, make millions more. Wholesale IP transit is nearly 40-45 times expensive compared to US.
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I can understand your frustration & of countless others in Pakistan as well over blockage of Youtube but what you are saying is nothing but a bunch of conspiracy theories. Youtube & 99% of porn which is blocked in Pakistan happened only because of court order during 2008-2012 when Iftikhar Chaudhary was chief Justice as a result of so called movement of judicial activation. He used to consider himself above President & PM even because he was the leader of Pakistan's first "free judiciary". He never missed a chance to shame the government even on useless stuff like taking Suo Motu on "Increasing prices of vegetables" which are purely determined on basis of supply & demand. He also had a strong desire to be a hero in the eyes of public & blockage of different websites was a part of it as he became the first one to take action against "immoral" things