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Yeah, I didnt think of this part.
Looks like the governments peddled globalization, but when the taxes fly to other countries and people use that pesky free speech in impunity and anonymity, things change.
Nah,even in the us they don't charge tax for buying in another state
Don't give them any ideas, they just might think about it.
As far as i know the US has both origin based and destination based sales taxes for online sellers. The destination based ones are VERY complicated, they depend on the state, city and district the customer is in. Fortunately these sales taxes don't apply to services... for now.
20% is a huge amount. Probably European people should start to call the cop everyday. It's time to put your tax in good use.
@chuck - Some countries have 27% eg Hungary, Sweden 25%. Then income tax, whatever else tax on top.
And I thought 10% sale tax here is too high. Alright, Those 20% tax or higher should start to call the cop using payphone. Probably the politicians enjoy this new tax rules.
Yeah, we got huge taxes but we are not letting people die when they can't pay some hospital bills
Hehe.
Not only that, there are many things EU governments do and the US doesnt, yes, the taxes are high, but I choose to pay them because I have retirement, unemployment benefits, a fairly competent police which does not go around to kill "niggars" or "gypsies", or "yellows", or muslims in the streets, we have no armed gangs, you can walk in any area at midnight without worry, even as unaccompanied woman, the situation is way better than this report shows, because romanians tend to worry too much:
http://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=United+States&country2=Romania
But I am sure in other EU countries it is even better: http://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=Finland&country2=United+States.
High taxes have another benefit, they tend to reduce waste.
For example, property tax was not applied to agricultural fields and people simply left them unattended which was good for nature and wildlife, but not for agriculture. Since they are now taxed, they started to circulate, elderly people sell them and enterprising farmers put them to work.
High taxes can work if administered objectively, without dogmas and religion, in the interest of the local communities. High taxes are absolutely needed today all over the world, the increasing gap between rich and poor is undermining the social fabric and self-sustenance of a country, after decades of neocon policies, it is time to rethink the economy and taxation, not to nationalize economy sectors, under any circumstances, but keep a robust public healthcare and school system on which private ones can only improve upon and offer much more to justify the costs.
Leave it to the market doesnt work, it did not work until 29, it does not work after 80's, but also nationalization and state involvement in the productive economy wont work.
As an economist, I am all for rewarding talent and enterprising spirit, hard work and brilliant ideas, but cutting taxes for the super rich and big corporations not only that does not help innovation, but empowers those to stifle innovation through various means, and not give a chance to smaller companies which are the main contributors to taxes and source of employment. Big corporations already rule US together with the cults, it is already too late to break the cycle of bigger power to the corporations, bigger bribing funds, even more tax breaks, even more power to them.
Guys, again with the politics: cest pit please!!
This is about taxes and economy. There will be a time when these discussions will be censored as "politics" by the governments and overzealous admins afraid for their "freedom" and "well-being", but it is not here yet, in most countries this is still allowed.
As for the off-topic excuse, this is about VAT, the differences between EU and US and the ways companies abroad can be forced to collect taxes for other countries. I think it is highly relevant in the RN-VAT discussion, but, feel free to chop anything you consider too far from my posts.
Not really about the differences between US and EU countries.
To be more specific: "RamNode will start charging VAT to EU customers"
If you want to add something to that, feel free. If you want to post about agriculture taxes in EU/US, please post in the famous pit.
Thank you for reading.
Could you be more of an obvious shill for these guys? You make it sound like they are superheros for simply trying to comply with tax laws just like almost everyone else.
Well, sorry, you are wrong. I am not shilling for RamNode, i'm not even their customer and have never been. Go check my previous history and you will see. I was even very sceptic about them when they started, because i thought they were trying to copy the name of another well known at that time host (RamHost).
And can you tell me how many of the other well known US based companies try to comply with this stupid tax law?
well I cannot understand anything from this...
so if I have a company in the US and customers in the EU, I have to collect taxes for the EU?
and how will I file these taxes?
it's ridiculous.
besides the EU wouldn't have juristiction over me if I don't collect VAT and comply with them.
And what about other countries? If I have a tax free company in like Dominica will I still have to charge VAT? how would they stop me if I didn't?
this s**t is getting ridiculous!
What the fuck are your smoking haha..... you can yes, if you want to be robbed or raped.
Maybe in UK.
LowEndSmack.
Or Sweden.
I don't think so.
This isn't the case in (most of) Spain either. You can walk alone at 5 am, no big deal.
This isn't the case in Slovenia either. You can fall asleep drunk in park at 3am. No one will bother you.
What other US VPS providers are charging VAT?
GoDaddy?
haha, oh well, guess I need to move away from northern England then.
Anyhoo @Nick_A you might be interested in this http://vickyford.org/campaigns/vatmoss
Don't be at all surprised if this whole load of bollocks only lasts a few months anyway before you get you €100,000 threshold and can stop charging VAT again.
Frankly it is exactly because I expected this and because my tax authority (HMRC) have pretty much said we wont be touching anyone or bothering with it much for 6 months I am just taking my time to get complaint in the hope that it simply goes away, and I expect it will to be honest.
I have seen the hostel, I will be invited to "the spa" and then get my eyes burned out with a blow torch.!
Yeah, and HostGator. Not sure who "almost everyone else" is though.
Sounds good.
We started charging VAT to our European customers on February 1st. We were aiming for the January 1st date but it just didn't happen as we had an issue getting our VAT number in time. We will end up paying the VAT out of pocket for January for European customers. We figured it was just better to safe than sorry since the penalties are brutal.
So far no complaints or cancellations from those affected by the VAT price increase. I think most clients understand that the tax is collected for their country and don't mind so much as the providers do with the change. It will be interesting to see if other providers decide to become compliant as I haven't seen a lot of the smaller companies (at least based outside the EU) even blink at it.
I would just like to say that this thread makes me laugh so much. The number of people whom seem to be taking tax advice from LET blows my mind.