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  • LeeLee Veteran

    rm_ said: Why, install a fresh OS, then restore stuff from backup (which of course should include all relevant config files).

    I may need to wait until they replace the only drive in the server that is available to deploy on. Could be a couple of hours, pretty inconvenient.

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  • perennateperennate Member, Host Rep
    edited January 2015

    rm_ said: Why, install a fresh OS, then restore stuff from backup (which of course should include all relevant config files).

    Unless you have a fancy automatic recovery system that recreates the VM, you're still going to need manual intervention to rebuild it, and whether it takes you a couple of minutes or a couple of hours the application is still down until you intervene.

    Whether or not there are known case, transparency enables customer to make more informed decisions. Also it's hard to measure the reliability since they don't publicly publish problems like this as far as I know, unlike RamNode and some others.

    Personally I don't mind since my application isn't critical, but if I were running a service that was generating much more money, I would want to know more details about the infrastructure. iwstack.com is particularly transparent, and AWS / Google Compute / etc. already have solid reputation that Vultr doesn't have (no idea how transparent they are though).

    Edit: well I guess if it was generating much more money then I ought to have an automatic failover solution and templates to provision new nodes from. Maybe a bit more money, but not so much that I'd want to spend time on that? lol. Anyway point is I could go with provider who I can better gauge reliability without any other disadvantages. Also it's not just about whether they have RAID, but also the attitude that you are able to see from them, there are some people who can give you solid deal but maybe you don't want to support them.

  • @rm_ said: Why, install a fresh OS, then restore stuff from backup (which of course should include all relevant config files).

    Heh, why not KISS and just rebuild from a snapshot in under 10 minutes, all told? Better yet, if it's important enough, have a cloned shadow idling in another location ;)

  • @aglodek said:
    Better yet, if it's important enough, have a cloned shadow idling in another location ;)

    KAGE BUSHIN NO JUTSU!

  • Nekki said: KAGE BUSHIN NO JUTSU!

    風遁・螺旋手裏剣

  • @activecoupon said:
    Free $20 credit For 30 days.

    Gift code: OWNCLOUD

    Note: Gift code only for new funded accounts; Credit expires after 30 days

    Sign up new Vultr account via my ref link, pls: http://www.vultr.com/?ref=6802593

    Nice try,.. Vultr? no thanks, I will stick with DO. ;)

  • Two weeks ago that gif would have ruined my life. Yes, I am that far behind on Naruto.

  • Nekki said: Two weeks ago that gif would have ruined my life. Yes, I am that far behind on Naruto.

    I know what you mean... I started watching Naruto from Episode one in November 2013... I'm all caught up now :D

    What episode are you at right now?

  • @DalekOfSkaro said:
    Well... In all honesty, I do firmly believe they have a RAID Setup.

    Same, I'm sure at least one person here would have lost all of their data by now, unless Vultr have magic drives that never fail.

  • @DalekOfSkaro said:
    What episode are you at right now?

    238, slap bang in the filler arc ahead of Naruto meeting Bee for the first time.

    I've had to have a break, so watching other stuff for a week or two before I dive back in.

  • DalekOfSkaroDalekOfSkaro Member
    edited January 2015

    hostnoob said: Same, I'm sure at least one person here would have lost all of their data by now, unless Vultr have magic drives that never fail.

    Yep. It's all common sense. Can you imagine all these hypervisors running 24x7 without a single drive failure for over a year now? I wouldn't it. If someone lost their data, they would have gone public about it, especially in a community like LET.

    While I do not fully agree with David on his decision to simply not disclose his hardware setup, I do respect it. Why? Simply because there's no written rule that obligates him to reveal all the details... It's a matter of choice, that's all. It may upset some, but others won't care.

    Let's just keep one thing in mind, Choopa has been in business for 15 years, they host one of EFnet's oldest and most reliable servers, they run GameServers.com etc... I highly doubt that a company of their caliber would half-a$$ their setup and not use proper raid and take proper measures for redundancy.

    Furthermore, do you really think that the I/O you get on their VM's can be achieved and sustained without RAID?

  • Nekki said: 238, slap bang in the filler arc ahead of Naruto meeting Bee for the first time.

    Good GOD... You're SO BEHIND! I am so tempted to post some spoilers :D

  • Is it for old member

  • rm_rm_ IPv6 Advocate, Veteran
    edited January 2015

    perennate said: Unless you have a fancy automatic recovery system that recreates the VM, you're still going to need manual intervention to rebuild it, and whether it takes you a couple of minutes or a couple of hours the application is still down until you intervene.

    Generally you should operate under the assumption that whatever "cloud" or VPS provider you use, will lose your VM later today, ban your account by the evening and go out of business tomorrow. None of those should present any significant issue for you whatsoever.

    Sure some manual intervention will be needed, but if your app is truly critical, you should design it as a fault-tolerant cluster running at 2-3 providers with real-time synchronization (using a distributed filesystem, SQL replication, etc).

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  • @DalekOfSkaro said:
    Good GOD... You're SO BEHIND! I am so tempted to post some spoilers :D

    I was level up until that awful filler arc with the kid and the woman who made crystals, but that was so bad I stopped watching for a couple of years.

  • In the absence of official RAID1/5/6/10 confirmation, I shall continue to treat vultr instances like AWS ec2's old ephemeral storage instances(but with raid0 ssd performance).
    No non-replicated mysql/rdbms running here :)

    My $50(x2=100) promo deposit is still working fine for running experiments for a handful of hours with whatever newfangled distributed software/databases that catch my fancy (a new one announced every hour?)

    Heck, maybe vultr will teach us all to design systems to fail fast and recover even faster.

    (And on a low-end budget)

    Given the state of things, I would welcome an API flag/call that tells the vultr internal hypervisor selector to ensure that that '/v1/server/create' allocates a new instance from a 'fresh' hypervisor node . (where 'fresh' = none of my already running instances are hosted)

    At the very least, this should be statistically feasible in one of their major locations -NJ/Dallas (things get iffy if they are bundling only instanceX types onto the same hypervisor hardware nodes)

  • Nekki said: I was level up until that awful filler arc with the kid and the woman who made crystals, but that was so bad I stopped watching for a couple of years.

    Oh yeah, Guren.... Well, it wasn't a filler, man. It's part of getting the 3-tails. Have you figured out who Tobi is yet :P

  • Shoaib_AShoaib_A Member
    edited January 2015

    @W1V_Lee said:
    We have even got things like

    We use 4 drives in Raid 10

    But you use OVH?

    Yes

    But they only do 2 drives in Raid 1

    Umm, oh yeah, we have a special deal with OVH to get 4 drives

    They don't do special deals like that

    Ah, it's because we are best customer

    How many servers you got with them?

    2

    ....

    OVH now offer servers where you can get 4 x SSD/SAS optionally for additional charges

    e.g http://www.ovh.ie/dedicated_servers/big-data/mini-HG.xml

    But yes this was not the case until a few months ago :)

  • wychwych Member
    edited January 2015

    @fametel you could also just get a storage server from them they have more than two disks.

    Generally OVH only offers two disks.

  • Shoaib_AShoaib_A Member
    edited January 2015

    @wych said:
    fametel you could also just get a storage server from them they have more than two disks.

    Generally OVH only offers two disks.

    Yes, I know that but they released their storage line in 2014 for the first time, before that the only way of getting more than 2 disks was ordering their HG servers. And their storage servers are not suitable for general vps offerings due to the low amount of RAM unless you want to offer a storage line like backupsy or cloudshards.

    You can now get 3 disks with OVH's general Enterprise, Hosting or Infrastructure rangers also by just paying additional 5 Euros per month.

  • @DalekOfSkaro said:
    Oh yeah, Guren.... Well, it wasn't a filler, man. It's part of getting the 3-tails. Have you figured out who Tobi is yet :P

    It was filler apart from Akatsuki getting the three tails. The rest is worthless.

    Yeah, I know who Tobi actually is.

  • DalekOfSkaroDalekOfSkaro Member
    edited January 2015

    Nekki said: It was filler apart from Akatsuki getting the three tails. The rest is worthless.

    Yeah, I know who Tobi actually is.

    It's been a long time since I've seen that episode... I suppose by now you'd know who Tobi is.. I am against resisting spoiling it for you :D

    Edit: Best derailing ever!

  • perennate said: manual intervention

    That's it. I don't want to have to manually intervene if a single drive fails, that's all. I doubt that's too much to ask.

  • @DalekOfSkaro said:
    It's been a long time since I've seen that episode... I suppose by now you'd know who Tobi is.. I am against resisting spoiling it for you :D

    I know how it all ends as I once I got behind I decided it wait until the manga finished to make sure the ending wasn't stupid before committing more time to the anime. I just don't know how it gets to the epilogue/Naruto the Last movie.

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