Bit of NanoVZ Market Research

AutoSnipe

Hi everyone,
As some of you know ive joined up with AnthonySmith to provide LowEnd NAT IPv4 VPS'

Anyway, i've recieved an offer from a Decent provider in Lithuania for a Dedi over there.
I'm just curious as to what the consumers would say about a LES box in the Baltic Region.
Plans for this area would be as follows

1vCPU core (E3-1240)
128mb ram
3gb hdd
500Gb @ 100mbit
21 IPv4 Ports (1 preforwarded ssh port + 20 extra) 
/64 IPv6 Subnet with rDNS

In my opinion this would be a great addition to my current Los Angeles, Lenoir and Dusseldorf.

So, if you wouldnt mind filling out the poll questions below.

Regards,
Ryan

berkay

"I'm a Banana" looked appealing to be honest.

Any test IP's?

AutoSnipe

@introducial not currently no.

deployvm

Are you using UAB Duomenu Centras (Balticservers) ?

Thanks.

AutoSnipe

No not balticservers. As they will not be providing ipv6 until Q2-3 2015 (according to their staff)

AutoSnipe

AS61272 for those that are interested.
More the likely using this network.

Those that choose " im a banana " please tell us why you are a banana.

0xdragon

@AutoSnipe said:
AS61272 for those that are interested.
More the likely using this network.

Those that choose " im a banana " please tell us why you are a banana.

Doesn't all the traffic go through the US then?

trewq

@0xdragon said:
Doesn't all the traffic go through the US then?

From Australia it goes through US->London->Location.

deployvm

@trewq said:

Depends with ISP. With iiNet/Internode in Perth, it goes from

SG -> London -> AMS-IX -> Lithuania (via Lattelekom)

AutoSnipe

For me (adelaide)
I go adelaide->sydney->fremont usa->lithuania

Try this one (note: grabbed from their dns records on he.net)

91.216.163.3

rds100

0xdragon said: Doesn't all the traffic go through the US then?

I doubt there are any internet routes that go from Australia to Europe without going through USA. I mean there is some old fiber cable, but it's probably very expensive and only used for voice.

trewq

traceroute to 91.216.163.3 (91.216.163.3), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets

 3  xe-0-1-0.cr1.hba1.on.ii.net (150.101.33.152)  31.616 ms  33.647 ms  33.895 ms
 4  ae3.cr1.mel4.on.ii.net (150.101.33.46)  349.117 ms  350.359 ms  351.224 ms
 5  ae2.br1.syd7.on.ii.net (150.101.33.28)  360.761 ms  362.020 ms  363.031 ms
 6  te0-1-1-3.br2.sjc2.on.ii.net (150.101.33.149)  355.877 ms te0-2-0-3.br2.sjc2.on.ii.net (203.16.213.158)  358.204 ms  358.604 ms
 7  te1-2-0.bdr1.lon1.on.ii.net (150.101.33.96)  350.997 ms  341.298 ms  341.710 ms
 8  195.69.146.13 (195.69.146.13)  376.942 ms  410.390 ms  381.440 ms
 9  195.122.0.122 (195.122.0.122)  382.328 ms  406.798 ms  381.263 ms
10  80.232.193.244 (80.232.193.244)  395.753 ms  392.051 ms  389.073 ms
11  ip-77-221-71-226.kava.lt (77.221.71.226)  414.682 ms  414.392 ms  416.026 ms
12  ns2.ist.lt (91.216.163.3)  393.265 ms !X  393.710 ms !X  394.797 ms !X

@deployvm said:
SG -> London -> AMS-IX -> Lithuania (via Lattelekom)

Internode too.

deployvm

@trewq said:
Internode too.

>

It seems that only users in Western Australia, will the traffic be routed to the Singapore PoP through SMW3. It does save around ~ 50ms of latency this way. ~300ms to London is pretty good, especially from Australia.

traceroute to 91.216.163.3 (91.216.163.3), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets

 2  xe-0-1-6.cr1.per4.on.ii.net (150.101.34.172)  13.171 ms  14.304 ms  16.305 ms
 3  ae0.cr1.per1.on.ii.net (150.101.34.171)  322.224 ms  321.535 ms  321.425 ms
 4  po0-3-0.bdr1.sin1.on.ii.net (203.16.211.229)  61.313 ms  pos-0-3-1.bdr1.sin1.on.ii.net (150.101.33.176)  60.988 ms  po0-3-0.bdr1.sin1.on.ii.net (203.16.211.229)  60.808 ms
 5  gi0-0-5.bdr1.lon1.on.ii.net (203.16.211.101)  298.944 ms  298.501 ms  298.651 ms
 6  195.69.146.13 (195.69.146.13)  337.540 ms  335.451 ms  335.997 ms
 7  195.122.0.126 (195.122.0.126)  331.956 ms  336.610 ms  337.082 ms
 8  80.232.193.244 (80.232.193.244)  343.517 ms  336.426 ms  331.629 ms
 9  ip-77-221-71-226.kava.lt (77.221.71.226)  341.837 ms  340.875 ms  344.388 ms
10  ns2.ist.lt (91.216.163.3)  366.108 ms !C  366.239 ms !C  365.534 ms !C

AutoSnipe

I the same results from my telstra wifi as @trewq
But thats all besides the point, would you buy it?
Since it seems that the baltic region doesnt have that many low end providers (only real one i would class is yourserver.se with latvia)

trewq

@AutoSnipe said:
But thats all besides the point, would you buy it?

I wouldn't be needing one. I have dramatically reduced by VPS holdings lately.

Plus a ping of 400ms, that doesn't help either

nullnull

I,m on the boat but to expand locations too fast at beginning time worries me.

AutoSnipe

I know australias routing is horrible.. but putting it out there. If there is enough demand i will surely get a node up and running. But other locations can be suggested anytime :P

Sady

Traceroute from here (Pakistan, Asia)



5 5 ms 5 ms 3 ms 125-209-86-1.multi.net.pk [125.209.86.1]

6 142 ms 4 ms 8 ms tw136-static192.tw1.com [119.63.136.192]

7 91 ms 9 ms 4 ms 110.93.253.117

8 246 ms * 249 ms 110.93.253.138

9 * 169 ms 161 ms r2223.bee.lt [80.81.194.118]

10 169 ms 168 ms 167 ms 84.15.17.26

11 * 164 ms 165 ms ip-77-221-71-226.kava.lt [77.221.71.226]

12 172 ms 207 ms 233 ms ns2.ist.lt [91.216.163.3]



Will get that at first because of lower pings than current LES box which goes about 300ms.

aus

I guess the ones who need a VPS in Lithuania either lives there or want some sort of geolocation/CDN stuff. For me, LA is good enough.

AutoSnipe

@Nullnull well with one node nearly full and just about paid for the entire year up front i thought i would look for more locations.
Los angeles has lots of capacity left which is good and is already paid 6 months in advance.

All i can say is if there is enough demand in any region anything is possible. So im looking around doing research.

@aus glad you are happy with a LA vps.

J1021

I'd take one.. For my Observium map.

zafouhar

@AutoSnipe said:
AS61272 for those that are interested.
More the likely using this network.

Those that choose " im a banana " please tell us why you are a banana.

I like bananas, ououou, aaaaa, iiii, ouououou

Nekki

@kcaj said:
I'd take one.. For my Observium map.

This. Being able to show geographic diversity is the single most important consideration for an Observium install.

Nyr

Routes from Australia are not going to be great, obviously.

From Madrid, for example they are fine:

traceroute to 91.216.163.3 (91.216.163.3), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
 1  10.8.0.1 (10.8.0.1)  43.468 ms  41.515 ms  42.437 ms
 2  * * *
 3  te1-7.ccr01.mad06.atlas.cogentco.com (149.6.38.41)  43.540 ms  42.402 ms  43.045 ms
 4  te0-1-0-5.ccr22.mad05.atlas.cogentco.com (130.117.48.94)  43.006 ms
    te0-0-0-4.ccr21.mad05.atlas.cogentco.com (130.117.1.190)  42.402 ms
    te0-1-0-4.ccr21.mad05.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.74.170)  41.628 ms
 5  be2293.ccr22.bio02.atlas.cogentco.com (130.117.50.25)  48.299 ms
    be2235.ccr21.bio02.atlas.cogentco.com (130.117.48.133)  47.491 ms
    be2293.ccr22.bio02.atlas.cogentco.com (130.117.50.25)  48.208 ms
 6  be2423.ccr42.par01.atlas.cogentco.com (130.117.50.77)  60.088 ms
    be2475.ccr41.par01.atlas.cogentco.com (130.117.48.182)  60.201 ms
    be2423.ccr42.par01.atlas.cogentco.com (130.117.50.77)  60.140 ms
 7  be2308.ccr21.par04.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.73.230)  60.671 ms  62.467 ms
    be2309.ccr21.par04.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.73.242)  61.660 ms
 8  level3.par04.atlas.cogentco.com (130.117.14.94)  61.722 ms  61.274 ms  61.504 ms
 9  * * *
10  * * *
11  * * *
12  * * *
13  ae-93-93.ebr3.frankfurt1.level3.net (4.69.163.13)  102.502 ms
    ae-63-63.ebr3.frankfurt1.level3.net (4.69.163.1)  97.905 ms
    ae-83-83.ebr3.frankfurt1.level3.net (4.69.163.9)  99.238 ms
14  * * *
15  * * *
16  ae-112-3502.bar1.stockholm1.level3.net (4.69.158.245)  102.033 ms
    ae-111-3501.bar1.stockholm1.level3.net (4.69.158.241)  99.130 ms
    ae-114-3504.bar1.stockholm1.level3.net (4.69.158.253)  99.733 ms
17  uab-bite-li.bar1.stockholm1.level3.net (213.242.110.210)  103.957 ms  103.453 ms  167.164 ms
18  84.15.17.26 (84.15.17.26)  108.789 ms  108.161 ms  108.647 ms
19  ip-77-221-71-226.kava.lt (77.221.71.226)  110.958 ms  110.071 ms *
20  ns2.ist.lt (91.216.163.3)  114.346 ms !Z  109.899 ms !Z  109.275 ms !Z

pcan

Lowendspirit VPS are a perfect choice for monitoring. The geographic coverage is already good but it may be improved. It would be useful to add north Europe (Lithuania would be ok), Canada, another location in Asia (Singapore, India, China...), est Europe (Bulgaria or Romania) and Russia.

trexos

If i were you I would wait until you get profit from your other locations. Having a lot of locations and then close some after a few months because they don't pay off won't be good for the name of your company :l

tommy

pcan said: Singapore

+1 for SG Location

traceroute to 91.216.163.3 (91.216.163.3), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
 1  ghost.from.hell (192.168.1.254)  1.169 ms  1.581 ms  1.553 ms
 2  1.subnet110-138-152.speedy.telkom.net.id (110.138.152.1)  24.095 ms  24.097 ms  24.061 ms
 3  180.252.1.165 (180.252.1.165)  24.037 ms  24.006 ms  23.988 ms
 4  61.94.171.69 (61.94.171.69)  39.045 ms  39.090 ms  39.043 ms
 5  41.subnet118-98-59.astinet.telkom.net.id (118.98.59.41)  92.872 ms  93.300 ms  45.121 ms
 6  * 42.subnet118-98-59.astinet.telkom.net.id (118.98.59.42)  106.938 ms *
 7  180.240.192.50 (180.240.192.50)  224.732 ms  225.961 ms  227.038 ms
 8  195.69.147.34 (195.69.147.34)  259.709 ms  259.724 ms  259.715 ms
 9  213.172.189.42 (213.172.189.42)  263.745 ms  265.005 ms kraP1-katP1.net.exatel.pl (213.172.191.110)  275.063 ms
10  82.177.248.222 (82.177.248.222)  265.255 ms  266.366 ms  255.839 ms
11  ip-77-221-71-226.kava.lt (77.221.71.226)  264.254 ms  264.514 ms  262.986 ms
12  ns2.ist.lt (91.216.163.3)  261.880 ms !X  261.492 ms !X  261.034 ms !X

xDutchy

@trexos said:
If i were you I would wait until you get profit from your other locations. Having a lot of locations and then close some after a few months because they don't pay off won't be good for the name of your company :l

This is very good advice, it would also be wise to focus on stability in your current locations, to improve your brandname

jonbyrne

I have all of the main LES locations but none of the two partnerships yet. Somewhere like Lithuania would be probably to niche for me, Singapore would be good though, I use EC2 in Singapore quite a bit so it would be nice to be able to test locally.

AnthonySmith

I had no will power, had to click the banana option..

Ignore everything in here, to date the most talked about and asked about location by FAR was Japan... in the end result Japan is the least popular location.

The least talked about was Dallas, which is by FAR the most popular location, go for hubs not niches

mike0000

I have to agree with @AnthonySmith. Niche location is cool, but it just isn't practical. The least useful LES box I have right now is Australia. It's not close to any of my other boxes and none of my sites/projects get much traffic from Aus/NZ.

Give me lots of decent bandwidth on a fast port (ie Lenoir) and I'll be your friend for life