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Spamhaus has stopped delisting blocks, even though issues are fully resolved by our dedicated abuse department within 24 hours, 7 days a week. That is why we are in the top 10, because they ignore our delisting requests and every day the list builds.
They are now insisting that every VPS user has their identify verified before they are allowed to have service provisioned. Obviously we value the privacy of our clients, both direct and indirect and will not provide Spamhaus with that data or put our users through such an inconvenience. Especially when the size of the problem is literally microscopic.
Let's do a little math, Spamhaus says we've had 550 listings in 6 months. Yet on our network there are over 1,400,000 announced IPs, and roughly 700,000 VPS hosts.
550 / 6 months = 91.6 listings per month / 700,000 active VPS containers = 0.00013%
We are completely communicative with Spamhaus, but something tells me it's time they adapt their policies to the new, commodity, vps/cloud hosting industry. No longer does it cost $400/month to rent a dedicated server with 5 ips to spam, circa 2001. Now a random bad apple can sign up with fake information behind a proxy, get an IP or 2, and send Viagra emails.
This is a component of it, but we have 2 dedicated full time employees who manage abuse so we're able to stay on top of it. The issue is Spamhaus just simply ignores us, unfairly penalizing the 99.999% of customers who aren't sending mass email.
I could see Spamhaus' heavy handed action being legitimate if we were ignoring them, but that couldn't be further from the truth. I'd say we have some of the fastest abuse resolution in the entire industry.
And spamhaus blackmail again!
This isn't true because as the abuse dept. manager at GVH, I purposely leave abuse notices from you guys open for 2 months before I attend to them just because .. ya know, to test you guys and piss off Spamhaus.
Just kiddin
Yes,they null route the ips asap if listed in spamhaus
*Rallias bites his tongue...
Just out of question, do you guys block port 25 by default?
No. We have a "ignore their history and whatever you find on fraudrecord unless its fraud or staff abuse and don't do anything until they actually abuse, then hammer down" policy.
We have light screening as well. We're not trying to attract spammers and we're not pro-spamming, but we feel that the measures taken by other hosts are unnecessary and too strict.
Yes we do, as soon as a listing is created we null route, clear rdns, and in some cases unroute the entire block (if larger than a /29). Even that we thought was pretty heavy handed but it's what Spamhaus demanded of us a few months ago. Before that we gave customers 24 hours to respond, because we know in a lot of cases there are 3-4 parties involved.
Fair enough.
Well, in this case, I'd say I'm with Jon. Spamhaus is completely unreasonable regarding CC and I can't really understand why.
Even in your case Alex, you'll remember how harsh Spamhaus was when you had a string of random spammers signup on your Seattle servers with us. They we're putting an almost comical amount of pressure on us to fire you as a customer because they simply don't understand the high volume commodity vps/cloud market today. They are stuck in the year 2000. Clearly you were not a spam friendly organization...
https://liquid-solutions.biz/ showing ssl error on mozilla @Alex_LiquidHost
I'm glad we finally have a moderator here that can make consistently Good Posts
Thank you, good Sir
*bows head respectfully
@Nekki is good :d
Who?
Harsh. You're on the watch list, boy.
I don't like the fact that spamhaus write like people owe them something and they have any real authority.
I say ignore them, ask them never to contact you again, if every major IP block holder simply ignored them people would stop using spamhaus as it would guarantee none delivery.
Harsh is male name
A fairly disastrous webcam-based cybersex liaison last night. Usually when you get the scenario where both male parties thought the other was female you just come to a compromise and work the situation out, but he just freaked and kept demanding I stopped using the cheetah eater.
Some people are such fucking prudes.
Just to clarify, ColoCrossing isn't very suitable for email servers anymore?
Providers that use spamhaus are not suitable anymore is my opinion.
Depends how far they go with it... some IPs are under Velocity Servers and some under VSNX aren't they? Plus customers who have ranges announced for them like ChicagoVPS...
It's one of the things I would try and keep out of there at the moment though, yes, as SpamHaus lists are pretty widely used.
From the beginning,whenever any spamhaus blacklisting,they just null route or suspend the dedicated server (I am using for more than a year) .I do not know why such listing
Most of our IPs are not impacted, and we expect to have the issue resolved in the next week or two with Spamhaus entirely.
@ftpit the OP kind of implies they might start black listing new ranges anyway, though. Or however else they plan to "advise" everyone who uses their lists.
@AThomasHowe it is 3 AM.I am misreading
@jbiloh have you thought about rate limiting ?
They should blacklist their own IP's so we don't have to hear them nagging.