Why does Rabisu ask me for KYC after I place an order, pay, and turn on the device?

TimboJones

@MannDude said:

@keq said:

@emgh said:

@keq said:

@emgh said:
@forest let me put it this way then, a provider requires your real name. They make this very clear, real name or sign up with someone else.

Are you entitled to give them a fake name so long as they don’t notice?

How will service providers know if you registered with your real name or fake information without doing KYC?

If you say they know, then it's quite unnecessary.

If you had known anything about fraud protection you’d have realized how stupid this comment is. It’s not binary. Hence why most providers who KYC, don’t KYC everyone.

I think you don't fully understand how KYC systems work, so let me explain using a realistic scenario. ( I'm explaining this according to the comment of an ignorant fool.)

A user registers on a German platform using a German-looking name and address, connects via an IP address of a regionally recognized internet service provider (FAKE ISP IP), and pays with cryptocurrency. In this case, there's no strong reason to definitively say they were subjected to KYC during registration. (Only about 10% of new accounts go through KYC).

And if platforms aggressively enforced KYC during registration, users would generally use pre-existing accounts. How do you think you would deal with this kind of fraud? You're very uninformed and can't even admit you don't know. (You might say they can't use someone else's account either, I expect that from you.)

Wait, what part of what you described is fraud?

Guy registers on a German platform using a German looking name and address, connects via a regional ISP and pays with a currency that the hosting provider willingly accepts. Let's say he does sign up with fake details, where is the harm? Who is the victim? Let's say he is a customer for two years without a single report or abuse or misuse lf service, the VPS was used as a private DNS server, dev box, remote backup, etc. Where is the harm?

Users are not incentivized to be good neighbours if there's no user identification and provider/legal recourse, just shitty people who go on to the next host to abuse and spread bad shit to the internet. So this is enablement.

MaxTakeba

@emgh said:

@forest said:

@emgh said: guys name is "qwe qwe" and you go "OMG HOST BAD WHY KYC REJECT"

KYC (and the subsequent major privacy breach that happens every few weeks) for a dirt-cheap VPS is an issue regardless of what the guy claims his name is.

Is it an issue that this provider wants to verify that his real name really is qwe qwe?

I feel bad knowing that in some cultures/places... You literally have one name.

How is a provider meant to interpret someone writing James James?

And then you have slightly realistic scenario of what if someone signs up and their name matches some celeb or character that you recognize (recently ran into Jack O' Neill... Yes O'Neill with two Ls).

KYC is shit and I don't support it. It's fundamentally flawed. There is also a real problem of abuse...

I don't know how you solve it without pissing off people who want privacy. But I have no game or any ideas.. but I know it's crap.

TimboJones

@snowman11 said:
People giving their id/passport to random let hosts is insane

A lot of people on LET do not appear to know what the word "random" means.

gleepdorf

unreal that people are actually defending the provider here. kyc is bullshit

forest

@TimboJones said:

@MannDude said:

@keq said:

@emgh said:

@keq said:

@emgh said:
@forest let me put it this way then, a provider requires your real name. They make this very clear, real name or sign up with someone else.

Are you entitled to give them a fake name so long as they don’t notice?

How will service providers know if you registered with your real name or fake information without doing KYC?

If you say they know, then it's quite unnecessary.

If you had known anything about fraud protection you’d have realized how stupid this comment is. It’s not binary. Hence why most providers who KYC, don’t KYC everyone.

I think you don't fully understand how KYC systems work, so let me explain using a realistic scenario. ( I'm explaining this according to the comment of an ignorant fool.)

A user registers on a German platform using a German-looking name and address, connects via an IP address of a regionally recognized internet service provider (FAKE ISP IP), and pays with cryptocurrency. In this case, there's no strong reason to definitively say they were subjected to KYC during registration. (Only about 10% of new accounts go through KYC).

And if platforms aggressively enforced KYC during registration, users would generally use pre-existing accounts. How do you think you would deal with this kind of fraud? You're very uninformed and can't even admit you don't know. (You might say they can't use someone else's account either, I expect that from you.)

Wait, what part of what you described is fraud?

Guy registers on a German platform using a German looking name and address, connects via a regional ISP and pays with a currency that the hosting provider willingly accepts. Let's say he does sign up with fake details, where is the harm? Who is the victim? Let's say he is a customer for two years without a single report or abuse or misuse lf service, the VPS was used as a private DNS server, dev box, remote backup, etc. Where is the harm?

Users are not incentivized to be good neighbours if there's no user identification and provider/legal recourse, just shitty people who go on to the next host to abuse and spread bad shit to the internet. So this is enablement.

Speak for yourself, but I'm going to be a good neighbor whether or not the threat of legal action is hanging over my head. It says a lot about your worldview if you think that you need the threat of punishment to be a good person.

forest

@MaxTakeba said:

@emgh said:

@forest said:

@emgh said: guys name is "qwe qwe" and you go "OMG HOST BAD WHY KYC REJECT"

KYC (and the subsequent major privacy breach that happens every few weeks) for a dirt-cheap VPS is an issue regardless of what the guy claims his name is.

Is it an issue that this provider wants to verify that his real name really is qwe qwe?

I feel bad knowing that in some cultures/places... You literally have one name.

How is a provider meant to interpret someone writing James James?

And then you have slightly realistic scenario of what if someone signs up and their name matches some celeb or character that you recognize (recently ran into Jack O' Neill... Yes O'Neill with two Ls).

KYC is shit and I don't support it. It's fundamentally flawed. There is also a real problem of abuse...

I don't know how you solve it without pissing off people who want privacy. But I have no game or any ideas.. but I know it's crap.

You may find this interesting: https://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-believe-about-names/

TimboJones

@forest said:

@TimboJones said:

@MannDude said:

@keq said:

@emgh said:

@keq said:

@emgh said:
@forest let me put it this way then, a provider requires your real name. They make this very clear, real name or sign up with someone else.

Are you entitled to give them a fake name so long as they don’t notice?

How will service providers know if you registered with your real name or fake information without doing KYC?

If you say they know, then it's quite unnecessary.

If you had known anything about fraud protection you’d have realized how stupid this comment is. It’s not binary. Hence why most providers who KYC, don’t KYC everyone.

I think you don't fully understand how KYC systems work, so let me explain using a realistic scenario. ( I'm explaining this according to the comment of an ignorant fool.)

A user registers on a German platform using a German-looking name and address, connects via an IP address of a regionally recognized internet service provider (FAKE ISP IP), and pays with cryptocurrency. In this case, there's no strong reason to definitively say they were subjected to KYC during registration. (Only about 10% of new accounts go through KYC).

And if platforms aggressively enforced KYC during registration, users would generally use pre-existing accounts. How do you think you would deal with this kind of fraud? You're very uninformed and can't even admit you don't know. (You might say they can't use someone else's account either, I expect that from you.)

Wait, what part of what you described is fraud?

Guy registers on a German platform using a German looking name and address, connects via a regional ISP and pays with a currency that the hosting provider willingly accepts. Let's say he does sign up with fake details, where is the harm? Who is the victim? Let's say he is a customer for two years without a single report or abuse or misuse lf service, the VPS was used as a private DNS server, dev box, remote backup, etc. Where is the harm?

Users are not incentivized to be good neighbours if there's no user identification and provider/legal recourse, just shitty people who go on to the next host to abuse and spread bad shit to the internet. So this is enablement.

Speak for yourself, but I'm going to be a good neighbor whether or not the threat of legal action is hanging over my head. It says a lot about your worldview if you think that you need the threat of punishment to be a good person.

Do you live in a dream world? I would never rape a woman and yet people all over purporting to be good rape women. Do you think the world tailors the laws for YOU or for society? If you were as good as you think, you wouldn't take that as a threat of punishment for doing whatever you do. You sound like you don't interact with society.

I'm atheist, but I'm not naive to think that there could and would be more anarchy if bad people didn't have a mythical bearded man in the sky for at least some restraint.

Or cameras or alarms or dogs.

Prisons are not empty so threat of punishment is not a perfect deterrent, but it's better than letting the bad actors do whatever they feel like with the good citizens paying the price.

forest

It seems you are trying to argue that laws are needed and that a lawless society would not function. I never said otherwise.

There is likewise a big difference between the kind of person who rapes and the kind of person who misuses a low-end VPS, and the effects of deterrence on them via legal action will differ. I'm not sure why you would bring such a thing up.