FijiHost / MetWeb – Same People, Same Scam – Throttling, Lies, Broken OS, Discrimination

choppy

@nuxut said:

@JabJab said:
Tagging @MetWeb because why talk without them?! :-D

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Also this practice of "no hardware, order from sister company, crypto-only, oh we have personal paypal" most likely should be investigated by LET staff. Can you guys screenshot all the conversations, payments, proofs and open a ticket in helpdesk I guess https://services.lowendtalk.com/submitticket.php

They haven't been on the site for a month. Also, they still haven't provided me with the server I ordered through FijiHost back then.

Here is their promise to honor orders through fijihost btw: https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/4451353/#Comment_4451353

Victims again fuck fijihost/metweb

sillycat

If you didn't spend time on writing the thread yourself, is your opinion really worth anything?

@choppy said: HostBalls

@Rubben 's HostCock got competition.

Rubben

@sillycat said:
If you didn't spend time on writing the thread yourself, is your opinion really worth anything?

@choppy said: HostBalls

@Rubben 's HostCock got competition.

fuck it
who is online react it

choppy

@sillycat said:
If you didn't spend time on writing the thread yourself, is your opinion really worth anything?

@choppy said: HostBalls

@Rubben 's HostCock got competition.

I just thought it was troublesome to format it myself and I didn't want to do it. I provided all the information to AI, and it wrote the post and formatted it for me. By the way, this post has so many replies and users who have encountered the same experience, I think it makes sense

choppy

It seems like they never think it's their problem.
They just reply:

Hello,

We would like to clarify that, moving forward, we are limiting new orders from Chinese buyers due to repeated issues we've encountered in the past.

Also, we do not promote or advertise our services on LET (LowEndTalk). Your decision to use our services was entirely voluntary, and we never invited or encouraged you to do so. It’s important to recognize that you agreed to our Terms of Service at the time of purchase — no one was forced to proceed.

Our platform operates under US and EU compliance standards. If that doesn't align with your expectations or needs, we completely respect your decision to explore alternatives.

Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.

barbaros

@angstrom can you please ask @MetWeb why do they promote their brand then direct customers to Fijihost? I believe that's not allowed.

Kolestor

this is the case with all providers that have the cheap offers, get as many clients they can!
Speed dies! LOL

fijihost

@barbaros said:
@angstrom can you please ask @MetWeb why do they promote their brand then direct customers to Fijihost? I believe that's not allowed.

FijiHost is not connected with any

@choppy said:
TL;DR

Bought “unmetered 10Gbps” VPS from MetWeb, then told no hardware, pushed to FijiHost.

Paid via PayPal to personal account.

Service worked briefly → got throttled multiple times → lied about traffic limits → mirror reinstall broken → support ghosted.

They hide behind a “no refund after 7 days / 50%+ discount” clause to run the scam long enough.

They even said “Only you and another Chinese client have issues.”

I’m from Hong Kong, and yes, that sounds like discrimination.

🧵 Full Story
Saw this LET promo from MetWeb:
🔗 MetWeb Promo – 10Gbps Ryzen VPS with 72% off

Offer:

💲 $50.39/year

✅ 2 vCPU / 4GB DDR5 / 80GB NVMe

✅ 10Gbps Port

✅ “Unmetered Bandwidth”

They explicitly replied in-thread:

“We don’t limit traffic — even PB-level is okay.”

I paid. Then came the excuse:

“We have no hardware available right now.”

They suggested I buy from FijiHost, which “is the same backend and team.”
Fine. I went there. But FijiHost only accepted crypto.

I contacted support and they offered an unofficial PayPal payment to a personal address. (Yeah, sketchy.) I paid again.

🚩 The Issues Start
❌ Throttling & Fake Limits
A few days in, my speeds dropped. Support asked about my usage (no usage policy was shown before purchase). I explained — they replied some activities like file sharing and P2P are not allowed.

Later, a 20TB cap was silently applied. I caught it — they said:

“It’s a bug in our system update.”

It was lifted… only to throttle again days later.

📷 iperf3 test results (throttled speeds)
📷 Speedtest.net results

🧱 Broken OS Reinstall
Another huge issue: when reinstalling from their panel, most OS templates produce incorrect SSH login credentials.

Passwords don’t match

Can’t log in via SSH

Reinstalling becomes pointless

A properly functioning host shouldn’t ship broken templates. This is basic.

⛔ No Refund = Pre-Planned Trap
They clearly use their refund policy as a scam tool:

❗ No refund after 7 days

❗ No refund with >50% discount
So they delay, stall, and “throttle” you until that window closes — then you're trapped.

They abused that exact loophole in my case:

System breaks

Speed throttles

Features restricted

Refund denied

👎 Discriminatory Response
After multiple tickets and no real action, support wrote:

“Only yours and another Chinese client have problems.”

📷 Ticket Screenshot – Discriminatory Reply

I'm from Hong Kong — and this tone is not okay. If you're going to treat users differently based on geography, just say so. Don’t bait us into your offers and punish us for using what we paid for.

💬 Let’s Talk, LET
I’m posting this as both a warning and a request for others to speak up.

If you’ve had issues with MetWeb or FijiHost, please reply or message me.
This smells like an operation designed to harvest quick money via deep discounts, delay customers out of refund eligibility, then vanish behind vague excuses and broken systems.

📌 Action Plan
Filing a PayPal dispute

Reporting these brands to LET moderators

Publishing this post on other forums (e.g. HostBalls, Reddit r/VPS, possibly WHT)

Collecting other victim reports

If LET cares about its users, MetWeb / FijiHost should no longer be allowed to run promos here.

Clarification Regarding FijiHost and MetWeb

FijiHost has never advertised on LET, nor have we ever asked anyone to purchase our services through this platform. We have no connection with MetWeb — the two companies operate independently from different countries and have no business relationship whatsoever.

Now, addressing the current issue:

We have long-standing customers who have been using our services without any complaints. At no point did we force or persuade you to buy from us. You voluntarily accepted our terms at the time of purchase. Did you not read and agree to those terms? Did we ever promise unlimited port speed? No — we clearly offer unlimited bandwidth, and that’s exactly what you received. You've already consumed hundreds of terabytes without any throttling or restriction.

We recently restricted access from China — and yes, that decision was made due to repeated abuse from users in that region. If you consider this discrimination, so be it. You don't need to demand a refund; we will calculate your actual bandwidth usage and issue a refund for the unused portion — even though it's outside our policy.

As for the customer who claimed their double storage was not applied — please restart your VPS and check again. The upgrade has been applied.

nuxut

@fijihost said:

@barbaros said:
@angstrom can you please ask @MetWeb why do they promote their brand then direct customers to Fijihost? I believe that's not allowed.

FijiHost is not connected with any

@choppy said:
TL;DR

Bought “unmetered 10Gbps” VPS from MetWeb, then told no hardware, pushed to FijiHost.

Paid via PayPal to personal account.

Service worked briefly → got throttled multiple times → lied about traffic limits → mirror reinstall broken → support ghosted.

They hide behind a “no refund after 7 days / 50%+ discount” clause to run the scam long enough.

They even said “Only you and another Chinese client have issues.”

I’m from Hong Kong, and yes, that sounds like discrimination.

🧵 Full Story
Saw this LET promo from MetWeb:
🔗 MetWeb Promo – 10Gbps Ryzen VPS with 72% off

Offer:

💲 $50.39/year

✅ 2 vCPU / 4GB DDR5 / 80GB NVMe

✅ 10Gbps Port

✅ “Unmetered Bandwidth”

They explicitly replied in-thread:

“We don’t limit traffic — even PB-level is okay.”

I paid. Then came the excuse:

“We have no hardware available right now.”

They suggested I buy from FijiHost, which “is the same backend and team.”
Fine. I went there. But FijiHost only accepted crypto.

I contacted support and they offered an unofficial PayPal payment to a personal address. (Yeah, sketchy.) I paid again.

🚩 The Issues Start
❌ Throttling & Fake Limits
A few days in, my speeds dropped. Support asked about my usage (no usage policy was shown before purchase). I explained — they replied some activities like file sharing and P2P are not allowed.

Later, a 20TB cap was silently applied. I caught it — they said:

“It’s a bug in our system update.”

It was lifted… only to throttle again days later.

📷 iperf3 test results (throttled speeds)
📷 Speedtest.net results

🧱 Broken OS Reinstall
Another huge issue: when reinstalling from their panel, most OS templates produce incorrect SSH login credentials.

Passwords don’t match

Can’t log in via SSH

Reinstalling becomes pointless

A properly functioning host shouldn’t ship broken templates. This is basic.

⛔ No Refund = Pre-Planned Trap
They clearly use their refund policy as a scam tool:

❗ No refund after 7 days

❗ No refund with >50% discount
So they delay, stall, and “throttle” you until that window closes — then you're trapped.

They abused that exact loophole in my case:

System breaks

Speed throttles

Features restricted

Refund denied

👎 Discriminatory Response
After multiple tickets and no real action, support wrote:

“Only yours and another Chinese client have problems.”

📷 Ticket Screenshot – Discriminatory Reply

I'm from Hong Kong — and this tone is not okay. If you're going to treat users differently based on geography, just say so. Don’t bait us into your offers and punish us for using what we paid for.

💬 Let’s Talk, LET
I’m posting this as both a warning and a request for others to speak up.

If you’ve had issues with MetWeb or FijiHost, please reply or message me.
This smells like an operation designed to harvest quick money via deep discounts, delay customers out of refund eligibility, then vanish behind vague excuses and broken systems.

📌 Action Plan
Filing a PayPal dispute

Reporting these brands to LET moderators

Publishing this post on other forums (e.g. HostBalls, Reddit r/VPS, possibly WHT)

Collecting other victim reports

If LET cares about its users, MetWeb / FijiHost should no longer be allowed to run promos here.

Clarification Regarding FijiHost and MetWeb

FijiHost has never advertised on LET, nor have we ever asked anyone to purchase our services through this platform. We have no connection with MetWeb — the two companies operate independently from different countries and have no business relationship whatsoever.

Now, addressing the current issue:

We have long-standing customers who have been using our services without any complaints. At no point did we force or persuade you to buy from us. You voluntarily accepted our terms at the time of purchase. Did you not read and agree to those terms? Did we ever promise unlimited port speed? No — we clearly offer unlimited bandwidth, and that’s exactly what you received. You've already consumed hundreds of terabytes without any throttling or restriction.

We recently restricted access from China — and yes, that decision was made due to repeated abuse from users in that region. If you consider this discrimination, so be it. You don't need to demand a refund; we will calculate your actual bandwidth usage and issue a refund for the unused portion — even though it's outside our policy.

As for the customer who claimed their double storage was not applied — please restart your VPS and check again. The upgrade has been applied.

This is nice, but in my case it's not about double storage. I still haven't received the server I've ordered on June 20th. Ticket #VIR-463267. I'd like to receive a reply.

ascicode

Bought “unmetered 10Gbps” VPS from MetWeb, then told no hardware, pushed to FijiHost.

yeah right, no relation

FijiHost has never advertised on LET, nor have we ever asked anyone to purchase our services through this platform. We have no connection with MetWeb — the two companies operate independently from different countries and have no business relationship whatsoever.

Who is it then?

rooted

@choppy said:

They suggested I buy from FijiHost, which “is the same backend and team.”

It would be better if you could provide a screenshot they mentioned this host.

TimboJones

@anakara said:

@choppy said:

@anakara said:

@choppy said:

@anakara said:
Too much advertising, you should listen to feedback from other members before buying

yeah, my fault

How much did you pay them?

50.39usd

Payment via personal paypal will not be able to complaint claim refund. A company that accepts invoice payment via personal paypal, this is worth thinking about...

That's just normal for sole proprietor (self employed).

TimboJones

@Faramitas said:
I also participated in their OFFER event on LET last time, and the speed was restricted as well. The work order has not been responded to yet.



https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/ba82e264-f5ac-4dfe-a768-4bf3bc3c4cd5
The above is my latest speedtest test, which is obviously limited to 1Gbps

You'd need to test against a known 10Gbps server to be sure, that server might only be 1Gb.

DP

@fijihost said: We have no connection with MetWeb.

Going to hunt for a bit to see what I can find.

DP

@DP said:

@fijihost said: We have no connection with MetWeb.

Going to hunt for a bit to see what I can find.

The same person behind the deadpooled OceanHost.Cloud - @oceanhostllc.

nohavps

The problem was simple: Fiberstate announce high traffic at their price.

There are providers who can take advantage of it by offering unrealistic plans!

Sometimes, when offering 330TB/660TB to customers who think there won't be any customers who will spend that much, they offer unrealistic plans.

These are the consequences.

Let's look at the details of the problem:

Fiberstate IPs, not theirs
AS not announced because they don't have one
Prices that are pointless
Unmetered traffic of 10 GBP for the indicated price

nghialele

@nohavps said:
The problem was simple: Fiberstate announce high traffic at their price.

There are providers who can take advantage of it by offering unrealistic plans!

Sometimes, when offering 330TB/660TB to customers who think there won't be any customers who will spend that much, they offer unrealistic plans.

These are the consequences.

Let's look at the details of the problem:

Fiberstate IPs, not theirs
AS not announced because they don't have one
Prices that are pointless
Unmetered traffic of 10 GBP for the indicated price

What are you talking about?

nohavps

@nghialele said:

@nohavps said:
The problem was simple: Fiberstate announce high traffic at their price.

There are providers who can take advantage of it by offering unrealistic plans!

Sometimes, when offering 330TB/660TB to customers who think there won't be any customers who will spend that much, they offer unrealistic plans.

These are the consequences.

Let's look at the details of the problem:

Fiberstate IPs, not theirs
AS not announced because they don't have one
Prices that are pointless
Unmetered traffic of 10 GBP for the indicated price

What are you talking about?

The plans offered by metweb with its unlimited plan are incorrect and cannot be used because the servers used by fiberstate do not offer unlimited 10gbps at a low price and this can be used to offer unrealistic plans. Just check the plans offered by metweb, IP test and you will be able to see what I publish.

nghialele

@nohavps said:

@nghialele said:

@nohavps said:
The problem was simple: Fiberstate announce high traffic at their price.

There are providers who can take advantage of it by offering unrealistic plans!

Sometimes, when offering 330TB/660TB to customers who think there won't be any customers who will spend that much, they offer unrealistic plans.

These are the consequences.

Let's look at the details of the problem:

Fiberstate IPs, not theirs
AS not announced because they don't have one
Prices that are pointless
Unmetered traffic of 10 GBP for the indicated price

What are you talking about?

The plans offered by metweb with its unlimited plan are incorrect and cannot be used because the servers used by fiberstate do not offer unlimited 10gbps at a low price and this can be used to offer unrealistic plans. Just check the plans offered by metweb, IP test and you will be able to see what I publish.

Thank for clarification, so Fiberstate is there upstream. And metweb false advertising is now trace back to FS? Is it?

MetWeb

@DP said:

@DP said:

@fijihost said: We have no connection with MetWeb.

Going to hunt for a bit to see what I can find.

The same person behind the deadpooled OceanHost.Cloud - @oceanhostllc.

The image is from Metweb is correct and the other one is not

DP

@MetWeb said:

@DP said:

@DP said:

@fijihost said: We have no connection with MetWeb.

Going to hunt for a bit to see what I can find.

The same person behind the deadpooled OceanHost.Cloud - @oceanhostllc.

The image is from Metweb is correct and the other one is not

So, to be clear, you're saying the image is fake and this person isn't involved with FijiHost in any way?

nohavps

@nghialele said:

@nohavps said:

@nghialele said:

@nohavps said:
The problem was simple: Fiberstate announce high traffic at their price.

There are providers who can take advantage of it by offering unrealistic plans!

Sometimes, when offering 330TB/660TB to customers who think there won't be any customers who will spend that much, they offer unrealistic plans.

These are the consequences.

Let's look at the details of the problem:

Fiberstate IPs, not theirs
AS not announced because they don't have one
Prices that are pointless
Unmetered traffic of 10 GBP for the indicated price

What are you talking about?

The plans offered by metweb with its unlimited plan are incorrect and cannot be used because the servers used by fiberstate do not offer unlimited 10gbps at a low price and this can be used to offer unrealistic plans. Just check the plans offered by metweb, IP test and you will be able to see what I publish.

Thank for clarification, so Fiberstate is there upstream. And metweb false advertising is now trace back to FS? Is it?

I am saying and affirming that Metweb took advantage of the large transfer space offered by Fiberstate to offer unreal plans at low cost!!

MetWeb

@TimboJones said:

@Faramitas said:
I also participated in their OFFER event on LET last time, and the speed was restricted as well. The work order has not been responded to yet.



https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/ba82e264-f5ac-4dfe-a768-4bf3bc3c4cd5
The above is my latest speedtest test, which is obviously limited to 1Gbps

You'd need to test against a known 10Gbps server to be sure, that server might only be 1Gb.

Check your VPS panel, Bandwidth is still unlimited. portal show cached data.

choppy

@fijihost said:

@barbaros said:
@angstrom can you please ask @MetWeb why do they promote their brand then direct customers to Fijihost? I believe that's not allowed.

FijiHost is not connected with any

@choppy said:
TL;DR

Bought “unmetered 10Gbps” VPS from MetWeb, then told no hardware, pushed to FijiHost.

Paid via PayPal to personal account.

Service worked briefly → got throttled multiple times → lied about traffic limits → mirror reinstall broken → support ghosted.

They hide behind a “no refund after 7 days / 50%+ discount” clause to run the scam long enough.

They even said “Only you and another Chinese client have issues.”

I’m from Hong Kong, and yes, that sounds like discrimination.

🧵 Full Story
Saw this LET promo from MetWeb:
🔗 MetWeb Promo – 10Gbps Ryzen VPS with 72% off

Offer:

💲 $50.39/year

✅ 2 vCPU / 4GB DDR5 / 80GB NVMe

✅ 10Gbps Port

✅ “Unmetered Bandwidth”

They explicitly replied in-thread:

“We don’t limit traffic — even PB-level is okay.”

I paid. Then came the excuse:

“We have no hardware available right now.”

They suggested I buy from FijiHost, which “is the same backend and team.”
Fine. I went there. But FijiHost only accepted crypto.

I contacted support and they offered an unofficial PayPal payment to a personal address. (Yeah, sketchy.) I paid again.

🚩 The Issues Start
❌ Throttling & Fake Limits
A few days in, my speeds dropped. Support asked about my usage (no usage policy was shown before purchase). I explained — they replied some activities like file sharing and P2P are not allowed.

Later, a 20TB cap was silently applied. I caught it — they said:

“It’s a bug in our system update.”

It was lifted… only to throttle again days later.

📷 iperf3 test results (throttled speeds)
📷 Speedtest.net results

🧱 Broken OS Reinstall
Another huge issue: when reinstalling from their panel, most OS templates produce incorrect SSH login credentials.

Passwords don’t match

Can’t log in via SSH

Reinstalling becomes pointless

A properly functioning host shouldn’t ship broken templates. This is basic.

⛔ No Refund = Pre-Planned Trap
They clearly use their refund policy as a scam tool:

❗ No refund after 7 days

❗ No refund with >50% discount
So they delay, stall, and “throttle” you until that window closes — then you're trapped.

They abused that exact loophole in my case:

System breaks

Speed throttles

Features restricted

Refund denied

👎 Discriminatory Response
After multiple tickets and no real action, support wrote:

“Only yours and another Chinese client have problems.”

📷 Ticket Screenshot – Discriminatory Reply

I'm from Hong Kong — and this tone is not okay. If you're going to treat users differently based on geography, just say so. Don’t bait us into your offers and punish us for using what we paid for.

💬 Let’s Talk, LET
I’m posting this as both a warning and a request for others to speak up.

If you’ve had issues with MetWeb or FijiHost, please reply or message me.
This smells like an operation designed to harvest quick money via deep discounts, delay customers out of refund eligibility, then vanish behind vague excuses and broken systems.

📌 Action Plan
Filing a PayPal dispute

Reporting these brands to LET moderators

Publishing this post on other forums (e.g. HostBalls, Reddit r/VPS, possibly WHT)

Collecting other victim reports

If LET cares about its users, MetWeb / FijiHost should no longer be allowed to run promos here.

Clarification Regarding FijiHost and MetWeb

FijiHost has never advertised on LET, nor have we ever asked anyone to purchase our services through this platform. We have no connection with MetWeb — the two companies operate independently from different countries and have no business relationship whatsoever.

Now, addressing the current issue:

We have long-standing customers who have been using our services without any complaints. At no point did we force or persuade you to buy from us. You voluntarily accepted our terms at the time of purchase. Did you not read and agree to those terms? Did we ever promise unlimited port speed? No — we clearly offer unlimited bandwidth, and that’s exactly what you received. You've already consumed hundreds of terabytes without any throttling or restriction.

We recently restricted access from China — and yes, that decision was made due to repeated abuse from users in that region. If you consider this discrimination, so be it. You don't need to demand a refund; we will calculate your actual bandwidth usage and issue a refund for the unused portion — even though it's outside our policy.

As for the customer who claimed their double storage was not applied — please restart your VPS and check again. The upgrade has been applied.

1. About unlimited port speed, why don't you check my ticket and think about what your response was?
   (Because they shamelessly closed my account, I can't provide more screenshots for the time being, but my ticket in metweb has been tampered with, which is really a shameless act)
2. If you have no connection, why did you recommend me to switch from metweb to fijihost? I bought the same configuration with the same discount code and the same price. Is this just an amazing coincidence? Interesting.
3. I checked the metweb website and found that my ticket content was tampered with. In your previous reply, you recommended me to buy from fijihost. After browsing the fijihost website, I asked in the metweb ticket whether you are the same company. You replied that you are not the same company but a certain position (seems to be the operations manager) is the same person.
4. I checked your terms before purchasing, and there is no content like what you said. In addition, the activities not allowed in your terms are not displayed on any page of your website.
5. Metweb, Fijihost, the refund rules and other regulations on your website are exactly the same. Is this another amazing coincidence?
6. Aren't you from the same company? Yet you both replied to this post at the same time. Is this another amazing coincidence?
7. When will you refund my fee?
8. fuck you all, damn liar.
   
   
   
   
   

choppy

@DP said:

@MetWeb said:

@DP said:

@DP said:

@fijihost said: We have no connection with MetWeb.

Going to hunt for a bit to see what I can find.

The same person behind the deadpooled OceanHost.Cloud - @oceanhostllc.

The image is from Metweb is correct and the other one is not

So, to be clear, you're saying the image is fake and this person isn't involved with FijiHost in any way?

This is the person in the fijihost ticket system

choppy

They closed my account after replying to this ticket and changed their previous reply in the metweb ticket system. I am now waiting for your refund. I want to see when you will refund me.
In addition, as you said in your reply just now, you provide unlimited bandwidth usage. Then please refund me the remaining 11 months of fees, no deductions allowed.
In addition, I don’t seem to use hundreds of terabytes of data traffic
You said I violated your fair usage terms. Please point me to your terms. I can't find them anywhere on your website. During our ticket exchange, you never mentioned violating your fair usage terms. You just said you were investigating. Why didn't you say that at the time?

ccmoer

It's somewhat like a scam in my hometown, where they sell services at a lower price but fail to deliver on their promises for various reasons, then refer you to another service provider, making affiliate profits or price differences from it.

choppy

@ccmoer said:
It's somewhat like a scam in my hometown, where they sell services at a lower price but fail to deliver on their promises for various reasons, then refer you to another service provider, making affiliate profits or price differences from it.

Where is your hometown? They seem to be Indian.

Faramitas

@TimboJones said:

@Faramitas said:
I also participated in their OFFER event on LET last time, and the speed was restricted as well. The work order has not been responded to yet.



https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/ba82e264-f5ac-4dfe-a768-4bf3bc3c4cd5
The above is my latest speedtest test, which is obviously limited to 1Gbps

You'd need to test against a known 10Gbps server to be sure, that server might only be 1Gb.

I have provided my speedtest results.

https://www.speedtest.net/zh-Hans/result/c/8a49ca8c-b5b7-4ac7-992c-14571f0d6b1a

It took them a week to reply to my message and make a so-called guarantee. I even suspect that they saw this post and came up with a delaying tactic.

Faramitas

@MetWeb said:

@TimboJones said:

@Faramitas said:
I also participated in their OFFER event on LET last time, and the speed was restricted as well. The work order has not been responded to yet.



https://www.speedtest.net/result/c/ba82e264-f5ac-4dfe-a768-4bf3bc3c4cd5
The above is my latest speedtest test, which is obviously limited to 1Gbps

You'd need to test against a known 10Gbps server to be sure, that server might only be 1Gb.

Check your VPS panel, Bandwidth is still unlimited. portal show cached data.

I have sent you the speed test results countless times in the work order and also in the post. Please take a look at it yourself. I don't know where you came to the conclusion of "STILL UMLIMITED".