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Huge bills?
Signed up to talk about encryption at rest but I guess I have to start with this old issue that somehow I've never got to the bottom of.
AWS is well-known for its policy of not providing hard usage caps. Many (all?) other cloud providers are the same.
Can one run a VPS without getting exposed to the risk of running up very large bills through misadventure?
How do you approach this issue? Does it not arise with VPS in the same way as the big cloud providers? If so, what are the reasons for that?
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PS: Monitoring sounds like it may not adequately solve the practical problem for side project dabblers like me:
It's not my full-time job
Nor do I intend to run a profit-making service
With big cloud providers (not sure about VPS), famously, big bills can get racked up before people manage to respond
"We'll probably not crucify you and let you off the $100,000. Happy non-crucifiction days are ahead, probably!" is not very reassuring
If the problem is that overages are caused by configuration mistakes (and sometimes people abusing those mistakes), I'm a little sceptical whether self-administered capping mechanisms are reliable enough in practice to address the problem? (in contrast, it is conceivable that even quite fallible company adminstered capping mechanisms backed by a hard cap promise could successfully address the problem by spreading risk across customers). Admittedly the monitoring-as-user-implemented-usage-cap problem is much more severe with clouds with a huge feature set like AWS.
Finally: regardless of whether usage caps are a practical option right now: If you would like to defend the position that usage caps are impossible in some sense: I personally think that's a sterile debate, so I'd appreciate your starting a different thread to discuss that if you'd like to.
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What a bizarre question.
It’s simple - Amazon charges by usage, other providers charge for some capped amount of stuff and reserve the right to kick you off for any or no reason. Pick whichever serves your budget and uptime requirements better.
If that's true that's great.
But I'm sure I've read on this forum that some major VPS providers charge for overage on bandwidth, for example. No?
Edit: example (not from the forum, obviously): https://lowendbox.com/blog/check-your-vultr-bandwidth-before-this-happens-we-make-it-easy/
The answer is simple: use one of our community providers.
Thanks, does that mean https://lowendbox.com/ ? Or perhaps a tag on lowendtalk.com?
I dont think I have seen this on a provider on this site. You pay for a set amount of bandwidth (varies from 1tb-20tb+ /month) and for a certain cpu/ram/storage allocation. There's no extra charges ever unless you want to upgrade.
Yes and check out the offer section on this forum.
https://lowendtalk.com/categories/offers
I have huge bills, I just never get to prove them in public. But I have huge bills and they are on fire!
Not that I am in the least bit interested, but how long have you had this huge bill problem for?
I'm not sure what you mean? You surely don't mean that nobody ever mentions vultr on this site, and you're quoting a link to the sister site that discusses vultr bandwidth overage charges?
Yes, huge bills.
$100
At least since the last time I ran into the usual stories about it on news.ycombinator.com in the context of large cloud providers.
"Area administator expresses surprise at non-administrator's lack of specialist admin knowledge."
;-P
I don't think I have seen a provider on this forum charging for bandwidth
😅🤣
OK, perhaps I don't understand what you mean by "provider on this forum":
https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/192995/avoiding-vultr-bandwidth-overages
https://lowendbox.com/blog/check-your-vultr-bandwidth-before-this-happens-we-make-it-easy/
(outbound traffic only in that case, according to the forum post)
i'm curious on why he was banned lol. He was a troll?
i think he was banned for having multiple accounts! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
probably ban evasion, also, that thing only provide links for vultr so probably someone was butthurt with them
That's not actually against the rules last I checked. Ban evasion is, though.
Whenever I login to AWS, the first thing it tells me is the projected bill, and I'm pretty sure I don't even have any billing permissions assigned to me.
I'm sure someone from our company is paying attention to 7 figure monthly bills each month...
It is infact, against the rules
https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/137719/lowendtalk-community-rules-updated-april-2023/p1#oneaccount
I didn't read closely, but it looked like that OP had already solved his issue with a bandwidth monitoring script. I wouldn't think this was a duplicate account for david.
About two months ago, one of the clients of the company I work for (we are official GCP partners) fired 6 employees on a Monday after they let an AI run last Friday that accrued costs of £70K.
The OP's problem is valid, Cloud operators send emails about usage but only 24 hours later, when you already have large debts.
Happened at a past job for me too. CTO ran up a 25k bill doing 5000TB of processing in bigquery. GCP waived the bill. Sometimes they see it as better to keep a client (or to keep you in business), so I dont think you can make these mistakes twice 😉
huge balls
Huge boobs.
7$?
For $7 you can get one ball only, but with unlimited bandwidth.
I'm in. PayPal F&F?
Thanks. But I read that as mods will just close the extra accounts, not ban you for multiple accounts.
OP got banned then unbanned.
Those are some BALLS OP has!
To be exact: use one of our reputable community providers after doing thorough research on them.