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noob404

@FrankZ said:
I see @noob404 is running away with the lead again. Can't beat that guy. He's so driven.

LOL! Not so driven. Was it last year, I'd have had my tent installed on this thread here to live off of here. But, not so much free time this year.

TrK

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@DeadlyChemist said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:
BTW, @TrK have you jailbroken your iPad?

I am not into jail breaking my devices, for security reasons. I even don't root my android since last 4 years.

I have never used an iPad before. But, let me ask you. Having used an iPad for quite some time now, would you ever consider a good Android tablet?

I will only if it's powerful enough to handle all the files and can maintain several apps in the memory. And those are costly to say the least, i.e. samsung tab s series.

i have a apple ipad i bought for €20-€50
all i use it for, is to take pictures and draw over them with a fake apple pencil

That works as well, but the beauty is iPad can handle adobe apps which i find lacking in android, maybe adobe just doesn't want them to be on android.

Adobe would love to have it anywhere, given people are ready to give them their data and thousands of dollars.

Then i guess it's just android not capable of running adobe apps, meh idk anymore, never bothered with adobe on android.

chitree

@FrankZ said:
I see @noob404 is running away with the lead again. Can't beat that guy. He's so driven.

Yes, he is quite driven!

noob404

@chitree said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:
BTW, @TrK have you jailbroken your iPad?

I am not into jail breaking my devices, for security reasons. I even don't root my android since last 4 years.

I used to like a decade ago. Not after I moved to Pixel. Might root only for the purpose of running Graphene.

Just don't see any value to it now, was kinda interesting and with all the fuss about magisk and what not, after that it just died down.

But, Graphene's different, from what I've heard. It does take the fun out of the phone if you use it mainly as a media consumption device. But, if you are privacy and security-centric, Graphene is the OS to have. Edward Snowden recommended it a few years ago.

isn't it just another AOSP fork i have seen too many tbh all promising this and that, but the security part of any AOSP fork is a joke unless you stopped using Android altogether, the only reason my main device is apple and secondary is android is due to this. Android isn't that secure imo and even though we know it we just can't have google disclose everything.

No, GrapheneOS is not "just another AOSP fork". Here is a great YouTube video (using a Privacy Front-end) if you want to have a better in-depth explaination of what GrapheneOS really is - I evolved from CopperheadOS, which was never an AOSP fork.

https://invidious.nerdvpn.de/watch?v=WkQ_OCzuLNg

Have you used Graphene before?

noob404

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@DeadlyChemist said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:
BTW, @TrK have you jailbroken your iPad?

I am not into jail breaking my devices, for security reasons. I even don't root my android since last 4 years.

I have never used an iPad before. But, let me ask you. Having used an iPad for quite some time now, would you ever consider a good Android tablet?

I will only if it's powerful enough to handle all the files and can maintain several apps in the memory. And those are costly to say the least, i.e. samsung tab s series.

i have a apple ipad i bought for €20-€50
all i use it for, is to take pictures and draw over them with a fake apple pencil

That works as well, but the beauty is iPad can handle adobe apps which i find lacking in android, maybe adobe just doesn't want them to be on android.

Adobe would love to have it anywhere, given people are ready to give them their data and thousands of dollars.

Then i guess it's just android not capable of running adobe apps, meh idk anymore, never bothered with adobe on android.

Yah, I mean, I have generally heard that Apple has better memory control for apps like Adobe Suite.

chitree

@noob404 said:

@chitree said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:
BTW, @TrK have you jailbroken your iPad?

I am not into jail breaking my devices, for security reasons. I even don't root my android since last 4 years.

I used to like a decade ago. Not after I moved to Pixel. Might root only for the purpose of running Graphene.

Just don't see any value to it now, was kinda interesting and with all the fuss about magisk and what not, after that it just died down.

But, Graphene's different, from what I've heard. It does take the fun out of the phone if you use it mainly as a media consumption device. But, if you are privacy and security-centric, Graphene is the OS to have. Edward Snowden recommended it a few years ago.

isn't it just another AOSP fork i have seen too many tbh all promising this and that, but the security part of any AOSP fork is a joke unless you stopped using Android altogether, the only reason my main device is apple and secondary is android is due to this. Android isn't that secure imo and even though we know it we just can't have google disclose everything.

No, GrapheneOS is not "just another AOSP fork". Here is a great YouTube video (using a Privacy Front-end) if you want to have a better in-depth explaination of what GrapheneOS really is - I evolved from CopperheadOS, which was never an AOSP fork.

https://invidious.nerdvpn.de/watch?v=WkQ_OCzuLNg

Have you used Graphene before?

I've been daily driving it for 4 or 5 years now - it's great!

noob404

@chitree said:

@FrankZ said:
I see @noob404 is running away with the lead again. Can't beat that guy. He's so driven.

Yes, he is quite driven!

Hope I can keep the drive up for the period of the GA atleast.

noob404

For RackNerd Sparta -

TrK

@chitree said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:
BTW, @TrK have you jailbroken your iPad?

I am not into jail breaking my devices, for security reasons. I even don't root my android since last 4 years.

I used to like a decade ago. Not after I moved to Pixel. Might root only for the purpose of running Graphene.

Just don't see any value to it now, was kinda interesting and with all the fuss about magisk and what not, after that it just died down.

But, Graphene's different, from what I've heard. It does take the fun out of the phone if you use it mainly as a media consumption device. But, if you are privacy and security-centric, Graphene is the OS to have. Edward Snowden recommended it a few years ago.

isn't it just another AOSP fork i have seen too many tbh all promising this and that, but the security part of any AOSP fork is a joke unless you stopped using Android altogether, the only reason my main device is apple and secondary is android is due to this. Android isn't that secure imo and even though we know it we just can't have google disclose everything.

No, GrapheneOS is not "just another AOSP fork". Here is a great YouTube video (using a Privacy Front-end) if you want to have a better in-depth explaination of what GrapheneOS really is - I evolved from CopperheadOS, which was never an AOSP fork.

https://invidious.nerdvpn.de/watch?v=WkQ_OCzuLNg

If my memory serves me right copperhead was also AOSP powered OS with some privacy tweaks and graphene made it to later stage with improvements over the time. But i feel like about it is just plainly if only if ubuntu touch could have gotten that much support and i might have started using that instead of any AOSP powered rom. Be it graphene or any other.

noob404

@chitree said:

@noob404 said:

@chitree said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:
BTW, @TrK have you jailbroken your iPad?

I am not into jail breaking my devices, for security reasons. I even don't root my android since last 4 years.

I used to like a decade ago. Not after I moved to Pixel. Might root only for the purpose of running Graphene.

Just don't see any value to it now, was kinda interesting and with all the fuss about magisk and what not, after that it just died down.

But, Graphene's different, from what I've heard. It does take the fun out of the phone if you use it mainly as a media consumption device. But, if you are privacy and security-centric, Graphene is the OS to have. Edward Snowden recommended it a few years ago.

isn't it just another AOSP fork i have seen too many tbh all promising this and that, but the security part of any AOSP fork is a joke unless you stopped using Android altogether, the only reason my main device is apple and secondary is android is due to this. Android isn't that secure imo and even though we know it we just can't have google disclose everything.

No, GrapheneOS is not "just another AOSP fork". Here is a great YouTube video (using a Privacy Front-end) if you want to have a better in-depth explaination of what GrapheneOS really is - I evolved from CopperheadOS, which was never an AOSP fork.

https://invidious.nerdvpn.de/watch?v=WkQ_OCzuLNg

Have you used Graphene before?

I've been daily driving it for 4 or 5 years now - it's great!

Oh wow, that's awesome. What would your review be? Like it's deGoogled and misses out on a lot of stuff. How was the migration?

TrK

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@DeadlyChemist said:

@TrK said:

@DeadlyChemist said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:
BTW, @TrK have you jailbroken your iPad?

I am not into jail breaking my devices, for security reasons. I even don't root my android since last 4 years.

I have never used an iPad before. But, let me ask you. Having used an iPad for quite some time now, would you ever consider a good Android tablet?

I will only if it's powerful enough to handle all the files and can maintain several apps in the memory. And those are costly to say the least, i.e. samsung tab s series.

i have a apple ipad i bought for €20-€50
all i use it for, is to take pictures and draw over them with a fake apple pencil

That works as well, but the beauty is iPad can handle adobe apps which i find lacking in android, maybe adobe just doesn't want them to be on android.

i dont use adobe, have it for free and dont want that junk

well we don't have anything better, affinity is good alternative but the functionality of adobe apps are still great tbh. I am curious why do you have that junk for free

Many people are moving to Affinity, but, Adobe already has a huge market share and people already comfortable might not move at all.

I am using affinity apps since last year but every time i use them it feels like it isn't as polished as adobe apps, well canva recently bought the serif so we might see affinity in a new avatar soon enough.

noob404

@TrK said:

@chitree said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:
BTW, @TrK have you jailbroken your iPad?

I am not into jail breaking my devices, for security reasons. I even don't root my android since last 4 years.

I used to like a decade ago. Not after I moved to Pixel. Might root only for the purpose of running Graphene.

Just don't see any value to it now, was kinda interesting and with all the fuss about magisk and what not, after that it just died down.

But, Graphene's different, from what I've heard. It does take the fun out of the phone if you use it mainly as a media consumption device. But, if you are privacy and security-centric, Graphene is the OS to have. Edward Snowden recommended it a few years ago.

isn't it just another AOSP fork i have seen too many tbh all promising this and that, but the security part of any AOSP fork is a joke unless you stopped using Android altogether, the only reason my main device is apple and secondary is android is due to this. Android isn't that secure imo and even though we know it we just can't have google disclose everything.

No, GrapheneOS is not "just another AOSP fork". Here is a great YouTube video (using a Privacy Front-end) if you want to have a better in-depth explaination of what GrapheneOS really is - I evolved from CopperheadOS, which was never an AOSP fork.

https://invidious.nerdvpn.de/watch?v=WkQ_OCzuLNg

If my memory serves me right copperhead was also AOSP powered OS with some privacy tweaks and graphene made it to later stage with improvements over the time. But i feel like about it is just plainly if only if ubuntu touch could have gotten that much support and i might have started using that instead of any AOSP powered rom. Be it graphene or any other.

So true. I guess they got it working on many flagships with full support for Audio, Cellular, WiFi and what not. WHy did they drop that project anyways? It had potential.

chitree

@TrK said:

@chitree said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:
BTW, @TrK have you jailbroken your iPad?

I am not into jail breaking my devices, for security reasons. I even don't root my android since last 4 years.

I used to like a decade ago. Not after I moved to Pixel. Might root only for the purpose of running Graphene.

Just don't see any value to it now, was kinda interesting and with all the fuss about magisk and what not, after that it just died down.

But, Graphene's different, from what I've heard. It does take the fun out of the phone if you use it mainly as a media consumption device. But, if you are privacy and security-centric, Graphene is the OS to have. Edward Snowden recommended it a few years ago.

isn't it just another AOSP fork i have seen too many tbh all promising this and that, but the security part of any AOSP fork is a joke unless you stopped using Android altogether, the only reason my main device is apple and secondary is android is due to this. Android isn't that secure imo and even though we know it we just can't have google disclose everything.

No, GrapheneOS is not "just another AOSP fork". Here is a great YouTube video (using a Privacy Front-end) if you want to have a better in-depth explaination of what GrapheneOS really is - I evolved from CopperheadOS, which was never an AOSP fork.

https://invidious.nerdvpn.de/watch?v=WkQ_OCzuLNg

If my memory serves me right copperhead was also AOSP powered OS with some privacy tweaks and graphene made it to later stage with improvements over the time. But i feel like about it is just plainly if only if ubuntu touch could have gotten that much support and i might have started using that instead of any AOSP powered rom. Be it graphene or any other.

There are plenty of Linux-based phone OS, like PostmarketOS, Mobian, and as you mentioned Ubuntu Touch.

GrapheneOS provides you will "full disk encryption" using hardware and not just software like all the other phones out there today.

noob404

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@DeadlyChemist said:

@TrK said:

@DeadlyChemist said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:
BTW, @TrK have you jailbroken your iPad?

I am not into jail breaking my devices, for security reasons. I even don't root my android since last 4 years.

I have never used an iPad before. But, let me ask you. Having used an iPad for quite some time now, would you ever consider a good Android tablet?

I will only if it's powerful enough to handle all the files and can maintain several apps in the memory. And those are costly to say the least, i.e. samsung tab s series.

i have a apple ipad i bought for €20-€50
all i use it for, is to take pictures and draw over them with a fake apple pencil

That works as well, but the beauty is iPad can handle adobe apps which i find lacking in android, maybe adobe just doesn't want them to be on android.

i dont use adobe, have it for free and dont want that junk

well we don't have anything better, affinity is good alternative but the functionality of adobe apps are still great tbh. I am curious why do you have that junk for free

Many people are moving to Affinity, but, Adobe already has a huge market share and people already comfortable might not move at all.

I am using affinity apps since last year but every time i use them it feels like it isn't as polished as adobe apps, well canva recently bought the serif so we might see affinity in a new avatar soon enough.

Let's not forget that Adobe is a multi-billion dollar company with vast resources making them capable of doing almost everything.

noob404

@chitree said:

@TrK said:

@chitree said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:
BTW, @TrK have you jailbroken your iPad?

I am not into jail breaking my devices, for security reasons. I even don't root my android since last 4 years.

I used to like a decade ago. Not after I moved to Pixel. Might root only for the purpose of running Graphene.

Just don't see any value to it now, was kinda interesting and with all the fuss about magisk and what not, after that it just died down.

But, Graphene's different, from what I've heard. It does take the fun out of the phone if you use it mainly as a media consumption device. But, if you are privacy and security-centric, Graphene is the OS to have. Edward Snowden recommended it a few years ago.

isn't it just another AOSP fork i have seen too many tbh all promising this and that, but the security part of any AOSP fork is a joke unless you stopped using Android altogether, the only reason my main device is apple and secondary is android is due to this. Android isn't that secure imo and even though we know it we just can't have google disclose everything.

No, GrapheneOS is not "just another AOSP fork". Here is a great YouTube video (using a Privacy Front-end) if you want to have a better in-depth explaination of what GrapheneOS really is - I evolved from CopperheadOS, which was never an AOSP fork.

https://invidious.nerdvpn.de/watch?v=WkQ_OCzuLNg

If my memory serves me right copperhead was also AOSP powered OS with some privacy tweaks and graphene made it to later stage with improvements over the time. But i feel like about it is just plainly if only if ubuntu touch could have gotten that much support and i might have started using that instead of any AOSP powered rom. Be it graphene or any other.

There are plenty of Linux-based phone OS, like PostmarketOS, Mobian, and as you mentioned Ubuntu Touch.

GrapheneOS provides you will "full disk encryption" using hardware and not just software like all the other phones out there today.

Thank you for this. Didn't even know these OSes had Pixel ports.

TrK

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@DeadlyChemist said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:
BTW, @TrK have you jailbroken your iPad?

I am not into jail breaking my devices, for security reasons. I even don't root my android since last 4 years.

I have never used an iPad before. But, let me ask you. Having used an iPad for quite some time now, would you ever consider a good Android tablet?

I will only if it's powerful enough to handle all the files and can maintain several apps in the memory. And those are costly to say the least, i.e. samsung tab s series.

i have a apple ipad i bought for €20-€50
all i use it for, is to take pictures and draw over them with a fake apple pencil

That works as well, but the beauty is iPad can handle adobe apps which i find lacking in android, maybe adobe just doesn't want them to be on android.

Adobe would love to have it anywhere, given people are ready to give them their data and thousands of dollars.

Then i guess it's just android not capable of running adobe apps, meh idk anymore, never bothered with adobe on android.

Yah, I mean, I have generally heard that Apple has better memory control for apps like Adobe Suite.

well it might be but there are also other things as well like apple's GPU is quite capable and i mean it.

noob404

@chitree said:

@TrK said:

@chitree said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:
BTW, @TrK have you jailbroken your iPad?

I am not into jail breaking my devices, for security reasons. I even don't root my android since last 4 years.

I used to like a decade ago. Not after I moved to Pixel. Might root only for the purpose of running Graphene.

Just don't see any value to it now, was kinda interesting and with all the fuss about magisk and what not, after that it just died down.

But, Graphene's different, from what I've heard. It does take the fun out of the phone if you use it mainly as a media consumption device. But, if you are privacy and security-centric, Graphene is the OS to have. Edward Snowden recommended it a few years ago.

isn't it just another AOSP fork i have seen too many tbh all promising this and that, but the security part of any AOSP fork is a joke unless you stopped using Android altogether, the only reason my main device is apple and secondary is android is due to this. Android isn't that secure imo and even though we know it we just can't have google disclose everything.

No, GrapheneOS is not "just another AOSP fork". Here is a great YouTube video (using a Privacy Front-end) if you want to have a better in-depth explaination of what GrapheneOS really is - I evolved from CopperheadOS, which was never an AOSP fork.

https://invidious.nerdvpn.de/watch?v=WkQ_OCzuLNg

If my memory serves me right copperhead was also AOSP powered OS with some privacy tweaks and graphene made it to later stage with improvements over the time. But i feel like about it is just plainly if only if ubuntu touch could have gotten that much support and i might have started using that instead of any AOSP powered rom. Be it graphene or any other.

There are plenty of Linux-based phone OS, like PostmarketOS, Mobian, and as you mentioned Ubuntu Touch.

GrapheneOS provides you will "full disk encryption" using hardware and not just software like all the other phones out there today.

What kinda hardware does hardware-based encryption require. Does Tensor come inbuilt with it?

chitree

@noob404 said:

@chitree said:

@noob404 said:

@chitree said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:
BTW, @TrK have you jailbroken your iPad?

I am not into jail breaking my devices, for security reasons. I even don't root my android since last 4 years.

I used to like a decade ago. Not after I moved to Pixel. Might root only for the purpose of running Graphene.

Just don't see any value to it now, was kinda interesting and with all the fuss about magisk and what not, after that it just died down.

But, Graphene's different, from what I've heard. It does take the fun out of the phone if you use it mainly as a media consumption device. But, if you are privacy and security-centric, Graphene is the OS to have. Edward Snowden recommended it a few years ago.

isn't it just another AOSP fork i have seen too many tbh all promising this and that, but the security part of any AOSP fork is a joke unless you stopped using Android altogether, the only reason my main device is apple and secondary is android is due to this. Android isn't that secure imo and even though we know it we just can't have google disclose everything.

No, GrapheneOS is not "just another AOSP fork". Here is a great YouTube video (using a Privacy Front-end) if you want to have a better in-depth explaination of what GrapheneOS really is - I evolved from CopperheadOS, which was never an AOSP fork.

https://invidious.nerdvpn.de/watch?v=WkQ_OCzuLNg

Have you used Graphene before?

I've been daily driving it for 4 or 5 years now - it's great!

Oh wow, that's awesome. What would your review be? Like it's deGoogled and misses out on a lot of stuff. How was the migration?

I would highly recommend it to others who want the best privacy and security on an Android phone.

Every phone still does suffer from the "blackbox" which we can not see into - the phone antenna & modem. Only way to solve that is to not use a phone

noob404

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@DeadlyChemist said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:
BTW, @TrK have you jailbroken your iPad?

I am not into jail breaking my devices, for security reasons. I even don't root my android since last 4 years.

I have never used an iPad before. But, let me ask you. Having used an iPad for quite some time now, would you ever consider a good Android tablet?

I will only if it's powerful enough to handle all the files and can maintain several apps in the memory. And those are costly to say the least, i.e. samsung tab s series.

i have a apple ipad i bought for €20-€50
all i use it for, is to take pictures and draw over them with a fake apple pencil

That works as well, but the beauty is iPad can handle adobe apps which i find lacking in android, maybe adobe just doesn't want them to be on android.

Adobe would love to have it anywhere, given people are ready to give them their data and thousands of dollars.

Then i guess it's just android not capable of running adobe apps, meh idk anymore, never bothered with adobe on android.

Yah, I mean, I have generally heard that Apple has better memory control for apps like Adobe Suite.

well it might be but there are also other things as well like apple's GPU is quite capable and i mean it.

Yah, I know. There are certain emulators that run pretty damn well on Apple's M3 than Intels. But, it's just that Apple has been shying away from advertising their products as gaming products, till iPhone 15/16 when they showed AC: Mirage and RE: Village running on the Iphones.

chitree

@noob404 said:

@chitree said:

@TrK said:

@chitree said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:
BTW, @TrK have you jailbroken your iPad?

I am not into jail breaking my devices, for security reasons. I even don't root my android since last 4 years.

I used to like a decade ago. Not after I moved to Pixel. Might root only for the purpose of running Graphene.

Just don't see any value to it now, was kinda interesting and with all the fuss about magisk and what not, after that it just died down.

But, Graphene's different, from what I've heard. It does take the fun out of the phone if you use it mainly as a media consumption device. But, if you are privacy and security-centric, Graphene is the OS to have. Edward Snowden recommended it a few years ago.

isn't it just another AOSP fork i have seen too many tbh all promising this and that, but the security part of any AOSP fork is a joke unless you stopped using Android altogether, the only reason my main device is apple and secondary is android is due to this. Android isn't that secure imo and even though we know it we just can't have google disclose everything.

No, GrapheneOS is not "just another AOSP fork". Here is a great YouTube video (using a Privacy Front-end) if you want to have a better in-depth explaination of what GrapheneOS really is - I evolved from CopperheadOS, which was never an AOSP fork.

https://invidious.nerdvpn.de/watch?v=WkQ_OCzuLNg

If my memory serves me right copperhead was also AOSP powered OS with some privacy tweaks and graphene made it to later stage with improvements over the time. But i feel like about it is just plainly if only if ubuntu touch could have gotten that much support and i might have started using that instead of any AOSP powered rom. Be it graphene or any other.

There are plenty of Linux-based phone OS, like PostmarketOS, Mobian, and as you mentioned Ubuntu Touch.

GrapheneOS provides you will "full disk encryption" using hardware and not just software like all the other phones out there today.

Thank you for this. Didn't even know these OSes had Pixel ports.

The Pixel phones are the only phones with the Titan M security chip which enables it to have that hardware device encryption - all other phones claiming encryption only do so on the sofware level. Phones have been "my thing" for the last 10+ years

TrK

@chitree said:

@TrK said:

@chitree said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:
BTW, @TrK have you jailbroken your iPad?

I am not into jail breaking my devices, for security reasons. I even don't root my android since last 4 years.

I used to like a decade ago. Not after I moved to Pixel. Might root only for the purpose of running Graphene.

Just don't see any value to it now, was kinda interesting and with all the fuss about magisk and what not, after that it just died down.

But, Graphene's different, from what I've heard. It does take the fun out of the phone if you use it mainly as a media consumption device. But, if you are privacy and security-centric, Graphene is the OS to have. Edward Snowden recommended it a few years ago.

isn't it just another AOSP fork i have seen too many tbh all promising this and that, but the security part of any AOSP fork is a joke unless you stopped using Android altogether, the only reason my main device is apple and secondary is android is due to this. Android isn't that secure imo and even though we know it we just can't have google disclose everything.

No, GrapheneOS is not "just another AOSP fork". Here is a great YouTube video (using a Privacy Front-end) if you want to have a better in-depth explaination of what GrapheneOS really is - I evolved from CopperheadOS, which was never an AOSP fork.

https://invidious.nerdvpn.de/watch?v=WkQ_OCzuLNg

If my memory serves me right copperhead was also AOSP powered OS with some privacy tweaks and graphene made it to later stage with improvements over the time. But i feel like about it is just plainly if only if ubuntu touch could have gotten that much support and i might have started using that instead of any AOSP powered rom. Be it graphene or any other.

There are plenty of Linux-based phone OS, like PostmarketOS, Mobian, and as you mentioned Ubuntu Touch.

GrapheneOS provides you will "full disk encryption" using hardware and not just software like all the other phones out there today.

Full disk encryption isn't only available to graphene, it was introduced with google pixel 5(ig), and many other AOSP based roms also have the same disk encryption feature enabled cause the hardware was supported, it's kinda same a tpm no one knew untill MS forced it on everyone's head with bullet.

noob404

@chitree said:

@noob404 said:

@chitree said:

@noob404 said:

@chitree said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:
BTW, @TrK have you jailbroken your iPad?

I am not into jail breaking my devices, for security reasons. I even don't root my android since last 4 years.

I used to like a decade ago. Not after I moved to Pixel. Might root only for the purpose of running Graphene.

Just don't see any value to it now, was kinda interesting and with all the fuss about magisk and what not, after that it just died down.

But, Graphene's different, from what I've heard. It does take the fun out of the phone if you use it mainly as a media consumption device. But, if you are privacy and security-centric, Graphene is the OS to have. Edward Snowden recommended it a few years ago.

isn't it just another AOSP fork i have seen too many tbh all promising this and that, but the security part of any AOSP fork is a joke unless you stopped using Android altogether, the only reason my main device is apple and secondary is android is due to this. Android isn't that secure imo and even though we know it we just can't have google disclose everything.

No, GrapheneOS is not "just another AOSP fork". Here is a great YouTube video (using a Privacy Front-end) if you want to have a better in-depth explaination of what GrapheneOS really is - I evolved from CopperheadOS, which was never an AOSP fork.

https://invidious.nerdvpn.de/watch?v=WkQ_OCzuLNg

Have you used Graphene before?

I've been daily driving it for 4 or 5 years now - it's great!

Oh wow, that's awesome. What would your review be? Like it's deGoogled and misses out on a lot of stuff. How was the migration?

I would highly recommend it to others who want the best privacy and security on an Android phone.

Every phone still does suffer from the "blackbox" which we can not see into - the phone antenna & modem. Only way to solve that is to not use a phone

Makes complete sense. BTW, did you read this - https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/gadgets-news/apples-new-patent-shows-airpods-with-brain-wave-detecting-sensors/articleshow/102278175.cms or know about this?

noob404

@TrK said:

@chitree said:

@TrK said:

@chitree said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:
BTW, @TrK have you jailbroken your iPad?

I am not into jail breaking my devices, for security reasons. I even don't root my android since last 4 years.

I used to like a decade ago. Not after I moved to Pixel. Might root only for the purpose of running Graphene.

Just don't see any value to it now, was kinda interesting and with all the fuss about magisk and what not, after that it just died down.

But, Graphene's different, from what I've heard. It does take the fun out of the phone if you use it mainly as a media consumption device. But, if you are privacy and security-centric, Graphene is the OS to have. Edward Snowden recommended it a few years ago.

isn't it just another AOSP fork i have seen too many tbh all promising this and that, but the security part of any AOSP fork is a joke unless you stopped using Android altogether, the only reason my main device is apple and secondary is android is due to this. Android isn't that secure imo and even though we know it we just can't have google disclose everything.

No, GrapheneOS is not "just another AOSP fork". Here is a great YouTube video (using a Privacy Front-end) if you want to have a better in-depth explaination of what GrapheneOS really is - I evolved from CopperheadOS, which was never an AOSP fork.

https://invidious.nerdvpn.de/watch?v=WkQ_OCzuLNg

If my memory serves me right copperhead was also AOSP powered OS with some privacy tweaks and graphene made it to later stage with improvements over the time. But i feel like about it is just plainly if only if ubuntu touch could have gotten that much support and i might have started using that instead of any AOSP powered rom. Be it graphene or any other.

There are plenty of Linux-based phone OS, like PostmarketOS, Mobian, and as you mentioned Ubuntu Touch.

GrapheneOS provides you will "full disk encryption" using hardware and not just software like all the other phones out there today.

Full disk encryption isn't only available to graphene, it was introduced with google pixel 5(ig), and many other AOSP based roms also have the same disk encryption feature enabled cause the hardware was supported, it's kinda same a tpm no one knew untill MS forced it on everyone's head with bullet.

True. Yah, TPM as well is a small module that many motherboards without inbuilt TPM support can have. What about phones though that don't support hardware encryption?

chitree

@TrK said:

@chitree said:

@TrK said:

@chitree said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:
BTW, @TrK have you jailbroken your iPad?

I am not into jail breaking my devices, for security reasons. I even don't root my android since last 4 years.

I used to like a decade ago. Not after I moved to Pixel. Might root only for the purpose of running Graphene.

Just don't see any value to it now, was kinda interesting and with all the fuss about magisk and what not, after that it just died down.

But, Graphene's different, from what I've heard. It does take the fun out of the phone if you use it mainly as a media consumption device. But, if you are privacy and security-centric, Graphene is the OS to have. Edward Snowden recommended it a few years ago.

isn't it just another AOSP fork i have seen too many tbh all promising this and that, but the security part of any AOSP fork is a joke unless you stopped using Android altogether, the only reason my main device is apple and secondary is android is due to this. Android isn't that secure imo and even though we know it we just can't have google disclose everything.

No, GrapheneOS is not "just another AOSP fork". Here is a great YouTube video (using a Privacy Front-end) if you want to have a better in-depth explaination of what GrapheneOS really is - I evolved from CopperheadOS, which was never an AOSP fork.

https://invidious.nerdvpn.de/watch?v=WkQ_OCzuLNg

If my memory serves me right copperhead was also AOSP powered OS with some privacy tweaks and graphene made it to later stage with improvements over the time. But i feel like about it is just plainly if only if ubuntu touch could have gotten that much support and i might have started using that instead of any AOSP powered rom. Be it graphene or any other.

There are plenty of Linux-based phone OS, like PostmarketOS, Mobian, and as you mentioned Ubuntu Touch.

GrapheneOS provides you will "full disk encryption" using hardware and not just software like all the other phones out there today.

Full disk encryption isn't only available to graphene, it was introduced with google pixel 5(ig), and many other AOSP based roms also have the same disk encryption feature enabled cause the hardware was supported, it's kinda same a tpm no one knew untill MS forced it on everyone's head with bullet.

As I said to @noob404 above: "The Pixel phones are the only phones with the Titan M security chip which enables it to have that hardware device encryption - all other phones claiming encryption only do so on the sofware level. "

I only trust full disk encryption on devices & computers which I install the OS on - otherwise it's not to be trusted.

codelock

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@chitree said:

@TrK said:

@chitree said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:
BTW, @TrK have you jailbroken your iPad?

I am not into jail breaking my devices, for security reasons. I even don't root my android since last 4 years.

I used to like a decade ago. Not after I moved to Pixel. Might root only for the purpose of running Graphene.

Just don't see any value to it now, was kinda interesting and with all the fuss about magisk and what not, after that it just died down.

But, Graphene's different, from what I've heard. It does take the fun out of the phone if you use it mainly as a media consumption device. But, if you are privacy and security-centric, Graphene is the OS to have. Edward Snowden recommended it a few years ago.

isn't it just another AOSP fork i have seen too many tbh all promising this and that, but the security part of any AOSP fork is a joke unless you stopped using Android altogether, the only reason my main device is apple and secondary is android is due to this. Android isn't that secure imo and even though we know it we just can't have google disclose everything.

No, GrapheneOS is not "just another AOSP fork". Here is a great YouTube video (using a Privacy Front-end) if you want to have a better in-depth explaination of what GrapheneOS really is - I evolved from CopperheadOS, which was never an AOSP fork.

https://invidious.nerdvpn.de/watch?v=WkQ_OCzuLNg

If my memory serves me right copperhead was also AOSP powered OS with some privacy tweaks and graphene made it to later stage with improvements over the time. But i feel like about it is just plainly if only if ubuntu touch could have gotten that much support and i might have started using that instead of any AOSP powered rom. Be it graphene or any other.

There are plenty of Linux-based phone OS, like PostmarketOS, Mobian, and as you mentioned Ubuntu Touch.

GrapheneOS provides you will "full disk encryption" using hardware and not just software like all the other phones out there today.

Full disk encryption isn't only available to graphene, it was introduced with google pixel 5(ig), and many other AOSP based roms also have the same disk encryption feature enabled cause the hardware was supported, it's kinda same a tpm no one knew untill MS forced it on everyone's head with bullet.

True. Yah, TPM as well is a small module that many motherboards without inbuilt TPM support can have. What about phones though that don't support hardware encryption?

Tpm sucks 😞

noob404

@chitree said:

@noob404 said:

@chitree said:

@TrK said:

@chitree said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:
BTW, @TrK have you jailbroken your iPad?

I am not into jail breaking my devices, for security reasons. I even don't root my android since last 4 years.

I used to like a decade ago. Not after I moved to Pixel. Might root only for the purpose of running Graphene.

Just don't see any value to it now, was kinda interesting and with all the fuss about magisk and what not, after that it just died down.

But, Graphene's different, from what I've heard. It does take the fun out of the phone if you use it mainly as a media consumption device. But, if you are privacy and security-centric, Graphene is the OS to have. Edward Snowden recommended it a few years ago.

isn't it just another AOSP fork i have seen too many tbh all promising this and that, but the security part of any AOSP fork is a joke unless you stopped using Android altogether, the only reason my main device is apple and secondary is android is due to this. Android isn't that secure imo and even though we know it we just can't have google disclose everything.

No, GrapheneOS is not "just another AOSP fork". Here is a great YouTube video (using a Privacy Front-end) if you want to have a better in-depth explaination of what GrapheneOS really is - I evolved from CopperheadOS, which was never an AOSP fork.

https://invidious.nerdvpn.de/watch?v=WkQ_OCzuLNg

If my memory serves me right copperhead was also AOSP powered OS with some privacy tweaks and graphene made it to later stage with improvements over the time. But i feel like about it is just plainly if only if ubuntu touch could have gotten that much support and i might have started using that instead of any AOSP powered rom. Be it graphene or any other.

There are plenty of Linux-based phone OS, like PostmarketOS, Mobian, and as you mentioned Ubuntu Touch.

GrapheneOS provides you will "full disk encryption" using hardware and not just software like all the other phones out there today.

Thank you for this. Didn't even know these OSes had Pixel ports.

The Pixel phones are the only phones with the Titan M security chip which enables it to have that hardware device encryption - all other phones claiming encryption only do so on the sofware level. _Phones have been "my thing" for the last 10+ years _

Yah, I can totally see that. I was looking for the name of the security chip. Thanks for mentioning it. So, you mean every other brand that advertises encryption, like OnePlus only have software-based enc, and can't have hardware encryption on something like Graphene?

noob404

@codelock said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@chitree said:

@TrK said:

@chitree said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:
BTW, @TrK have you jailbroken your iPad?

I am not into jail breaking my devices, for security reasons. I even don't root my android since last 4 years.

I used to like a decade ago. Not after I moved to Pixel. Might root only for the purpose of running Graphene.

Just don't see any value to it now, was kinda interesting and with all the fuss about magisk and what not, after that it just died down.

But, Graphene's different, from what I've heard. It does take the fun out of the phone if you use it mainly as a media consumption device. But, if you are privacy and security-centric, Graphene is the OS to have. Edward Snowden recommended it a few years ago.

isn't it just another AOSP fork i have seen too many tbh all promising this and that, but the security part of any AOSP fork is a joke unless you stopped using Android altogether, the only reason my main device is apple and secondary is android is due to this. Android isn't that secure imo and even though we know it we just can't have google disclose everything.

No, GrapheneOS is not "just another AOSP fork". Here is a great YouTube video (using a Privacy Front-end) if you want to have a better in-depth explaination of what GrapheneOS really is - I evolved from CopperheadOS, which was never an AOSP fork.

https://invidious.nerdvpn.de/watch?v=WkQ_OCzuLNg

If my memory serves me right copperhead was also AOSP powered OS with some privacy tweaks and graphene made it to later stage with improvements over the time. But i feel like about it is just plainly if only if ubuntu touch could have gotten that much support and i might have started using that instead of any AOSP powered rom. Be it graphene or any other.

There are plenty of Linux-based phone OS, like PostmarketOS, Mobian, and as you mentioned Ubuntu Touch.

GrapheneOS provides you will "full disk encryption" using hardware and not just software like all the other phones out there today.

Full disk encryption isn't only available to graphene, it was introduced with google pixel 5(ig), and many other AOSP based roms also have the same disk encryption feature enabled cause the hardware was supported, it's kinda same a tpm no one knew untill MS forced it on everyone's head with bullet.

True. Yah, TPM as well is a small module that many motherboards without inbuilt TPM support can have. What about phones though that don't support hardware encryption?

Tpm sucks 😞

No, it doesn't.

TrK

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@chitree said:

@TrK said:

@chitree said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:
BTW, @TrK have you jailbroken your iPad?

I am not into jail breaking my devices, for security reasons. I even don't root my android since last 4 years.

I used to like a decade ago. Not after I moved to Pixel. Might root only for the purpose of running Graphene.

Just don't see any value to it now, was kinda interesting and with all the fuss about magisk and what not, after that it just died down.

But, Graphene's different, from what I've heard. It does take the fun out of the phone if you use it mainly as a media consumption device. But, if you are privacy and security-centric, Graphene is the OS to have. Edward Snowden recommended it a few years ago.

isn't it just another AOSP fork i have seen too many tbh all promising this and that, but the security part of any AOSP fork is a joke unless you stopped using Android altogether, the only reason my main device is apple and secondary is android is due to this. Android isn't that secure imo and even though we know it we just can't have google disclose everything.

No, GrapheneOS is not "just another AOSP fork". Here is a great YouTube video (using a Privacy Front-end) if you want to have a better in-depth explaination of what GrapheneOS really is - I evolved from CopperheadOS, which was never an AOSP fork.

https://invidious.nerdvpn.de/watch?v=WkQ_OCzuLNg

If my memory serves me right copperhead was also AOSP powered OS with some privacy tweaks and graphene made it to later stage with improvements over the time. But i feel like about it is just plainly if only if ubuntu touch could have gotten that much support and i might have started using that instead of any AOSP powered rom. Be it graphene or any other.

There are plenty of Linux-based phone OS, like PostmarketOS, Mobian, and as you mentioned Ubuntu Touch.

GrapheneOS provides you will "full disk encryption" using hardware and not just software like all the other phones out there today.

Full disk encryption isn't only available to graphene, it was introduced with google pixel 5(ig), and many other AOSP based roms also have the same disk encryption feature enabled cause the hardware was supported, it's kinda same a tpm no one knew untill MS forced it on everyone's head with bullet.

True. Yah, TPM as well is a small module that many motherboards without inbuilt TPM support can have. What about phones though that don't support hardware encryption?

What else it's all software backed encryption but still better than no encryption on devices running android 9 or earlier.

chitree

@noob404 said:

@chitree said:

@noob404 said:

@chitree said:

@noob404 said:

@chitree said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:
BTW, @TrK have you jailbroken your iPad?

I am not into jail breaking my devices, for security reasons. I even don't root my android since last 4 years.

I used to like a decade ago. Not after I moved to Pixel. Might root only for the purpose of running Graphene.

Just don't see any value to it now, was kinda interesting and with all the fuss about magisk and what not, after that it just died down.

But, Graphene's different, from what I've heard. It does take the fun out of the phone if you use it mainly as a media consumption device. But, if you are privacy and security-centric, Graphene is the OS to have. Edward Snowden recommended it a few years ago.

isn't it just another AOSP fork i have seen too many tbh all promising this and that, but the security part of any AOSP fork is a joke unless you stopped using Android altogether, the only reason my main device is apple and secondary is android is due to this. Android isn't that secure imo and even though we know it we just can't have google disclose everything.

No, GrapheneOS is not "just another AOSP fork". Here is a great YouTube video (using a Privacy Front-end) if you want to have a better in-depth explaination of what GrapheneOS really is - I evolved from CopperheadOS, which was never an AOSP fork.

https://invidious.nerdvpn.de/watch?v=WkQ_OCzuLNg

Have you used Graphene before?

I've been daily driving it for 4 or 5 years now - it's great!

Oh wow, that's awesome. What would your review be? Like it's deGoogled and misses out on a lot of stuff. How was the migration?

I would highly recommend it to others who want the best privacy and security on an Android phone.

Every phone still does suffer from the "blackbox" which we can not see into - the phone antenna & modem. Only way to solve that is to not use a phone

Makes complete sense. BTW, did you read this - https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/gadgets-news/apples-new-patent-shows-airpods-with-brain-wave-detecting-sensors/articleshow/102278175.cms or know about this?

I had not heard about this, but I don't put much stock into anything Apple does as they are a major surveillance capitalist company who utilizes their user base as data livestock while selling them fake promises.

noob404

@chitree said:

@TrK said:

@chitree said:

@TrK said:

@chitree said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:

@TrK said:

@noob404 said:
BTW, @TrK have you jailbroken your iPad?

I am not into jail breaking my devices, for security reasons. I even don't root my android since last 4 years.

I used to like a decade ago. Not after I moved to Pixel. Might root only for the purpose of running Graphene.

Just don't see any value to it now, was kinda interesting and with all the fuss about magisk and what not, after that it just died down.

But, Graphene's different, from what I've heard. It does take the fun out of the phone if you use it mainly as a media consumption device. But, if you are privacy and security-centric, Graphene is the OS to have. Edward Snowden recommended it a few years ago.

isn't it just another AOSP fork i have seen too many tbh all promising this and that, but the security part of any AOSP fork is a joke unless you stopped using Android altogether, the only reason my main device is apple and secondary is android is due to this. Android isn't that secure imo and even though we know it we just can't have google disclose everything.

No, GrapheneOS is not "just another AOSP fork". Here is a great YouTube video (using a Privacy Front-end) if you want to have a better in-depth explaination of what GrapheneOS really is - I evolved from CopperheadOS, which was never an AOSP fork.

https://invidious.nerdvpn.de/watch?v=WkQ_OCzuLNg

If my memory serves me right copperhead was also AOSP powered OS with some privacy tweaks and graphene made it to later stage with improvements over the time. But i feel like about it is just plainly if only if ubuntu touch could have gotten that much support and i might have started using that instead of any AOSP powered rom. Be it graphene or any other.

There are plenty of Linux-based phone OS, like PostmarketOS, Mobian, and as you mentioned Ubuntu Touch.

GrapheneOS provides you will "full disk encryption" using hardware and not just software like all the other phones out there today.

Full disk encryption isn't only available to graphene, it was introduced with google pixel 5(ig), and many other AOSP based roms also have the same disk encryption feature enabled cause the hardware was supported, it's kinda same a tpm no one knew untill MS forced it on everyone's head with bullet.

As I said to @noob404 above: "The Pixel phones are the only phones with the Titan M security chip which enables it to have that hardware device encryption - all other phones claiming encryption only do so on the sofware level. "

I only trust full disk encryption on devices & computers which I install the OS on - otherwise it's not to be trusted.

Never had the time to look into encryption. Is it really worth it, unless your phone/device has some hyper-confidential info?