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  • angstromangstrom Moderator
    edited September 28

    MS said:

    @angstrom said:

    @JasonM said:

    @raindog308 said: If I sign up with WP-Engine, why do I need anything at wordpress.org?

    because be it wp-engine or your private vps, once you install wordpress (either by ssh, or softaculous) it needs to ping the wordpress.org repository which contains all updates, including core files updates, third party plugins, themes, bug fixes, and security fixes. Wordpress is not wordpress without connecting to wordpress.org backend. So Auomattic/WordPress.org blocked IPs of WP Engine, so all their clients could not get any plugin/theme/security update. Though a reddit post says WPE now fixed with a work around. Some users used proxy-server to connect it.

    I don't use WordPress and know very little about how the WordPress ecosystem works, but aren't people allowed to mirror the wordpress.org repository? If they are, it surprises me that there aren't mirrors that one could use. Or am I missing something? (Perhaps people aren't allowed to mirror the wordpress.org repository?)

    Matt Mullenweg said in the livestream yesterday that WP Engine can mirror the repositories. See at the 12:00 mark on the video.

    I understand this

    My (perhaps naive) question was more about why there weren't mirrors of the wordpress.org repository already available/working (that people could use to update)

  • eva2000eva2000 Veteran
    edited September 28

    Discussions to solve Matt's control over distribution of WordPress code, themes and plugins https://www.reddit.com/r/Wordpress/comments/1frd37p/its_time_to_solve_the_singlepointoffailure/

    Recently been working on newer featured forked csync2 2.1.1 custom RPM builds for AlmaLinux/Rocky Linux which have atomic file updates, nanoseconds support and parallel node updates via inotifywait triggers. csync2 2.0 is too old!

    Was thinking could setup multiple csync2 2.1.1 server nodes each with HTTP forward proxies + proxychains proxy rotation and have servers configured to clone the WordPress SVN repos from any of the csync2 node servers and have updates automatically sync to all csync2 nodes

    The Wordpress SVN repos at

    https://core.svn.wordpress.org/
    https://themes.svn.wordpress.org/
    https://plugins.svn.wordpress.org/

    I know core is mirrored on Github, but is themes and plugins?

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  • angstromangstrom Moderator
    edited September 28

    @eva2000 said:
    Discussions to solve Matt's control over distribution of WordPress code, themes and plugins https://www.reddit.com/r/Wordpress/comments/1frd37p/its_time_to_solve_the_singlepointoffailure/

    Recently been working on newer featured forked csync2 2.1.1 custom RPM builds for AlmaLinux/Rocky Linux which have atomic file updates, nanoseconds support and parallel node updates via inotifywait triggers. csync2 2.0 is too old!

    Was thinking could setup multiple csync2 2.1.1 server nodes each with HTTP forward proxies + proxychains proxy rotation and have servers configured to clone the WordPress SVN repos from any of the csync2 node servers and have updates automatically sync to all csync2 nodes

    The Wordpress SVN repos at

    https://core.svn.wordpress.org/
    https://themes.svn.wordpress.org/
    https://plugins.svn.wordpress.org/

    I know core is mirrored on Github, but is themes and plugins?

    I see now that the situation is more complex than I had thought

    I had imagined Debian-style repositories, but there's no such thing (it's a different game)

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  • JasonMJasonM Member

    @MS said: Matt Mullenweg said in the livestream yesterday that WP Engine can mirror the repositories. See at the 12:00 mark on the video.

    yes but he has given time limit until 1st October, 2024 00:00 hours to mirror it.
    https://wordpress.org/news/2024/09/wp-engine-reprieve/
    @angstrom even I was not aware about it.

    Matt said "Hopefully this helps them spin up their mirrors of all of WordPress.org’s resources that they were using for free while not paying, and making legal threats against us."

    so can WP Engine keep latest updates on plugins and themes when after 1st october they'll be again banned from accessing wordpress.org repo.

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  • CharityHost_orgCharityHost_org Member, Patron Provider
    edited September 29

    @Petey_Long said: P.S. - I timed this post for the slowest LET is (next 6-8 hours) . Probably won't be any other engagement, just views, so it'll stay on top of the forums for maximum exposure. Stay humble.

    What a dick! :lol: Bro, you got too much time on your hands to worry about stupid things. Good luck to you too! Stay humble as you say.

  • YmpkerYmpker Member

    @angstrom said:

    MS said:

    @angstrom said:

    @JasonM said:

    @raindog308 said: If I sign up with WP-Engine, why do I need anything at wordpress.org?

    because be it wp-engine or your private vps, once you install wordpress (either by ssh, or softaculous) it needs to ping the wordpress.org repository which contains all updates, including core files updates, third party plugins, themes, bug fixes, and security fixes. Wordpress is not wordpress without connecting to wordpress.org backend. So Auomattic/WordPress.org blocked IPs of WP Engine, so all their clients could not get any plugin/theme/security update. Though a reddit post says WPE now fixed with a work around. Some users used proxy-server to connect it.

    I don't use WordPress and know very little about how the WordPress ecosystem works, but aren't people allowed to mirror the wordpress.org repository? If they are, it surprises me that there aren't mirrors that one could use. Or am I missing something? (Perhaps people aren't allowed to mirror the wordpress.org repository?)

    Matt Mullenweg said in the livestream yesterday that WP Engine can mirror the repositories. See at the 12:00 mark on the video.

    I understand this

    My (perhaps naive) question was more about why there weren't mirrors of the wordpress.org repository already available/working (that people could use to update)

    This is just a vague guess, but wouldn't mirrors for a project this size be quite expensive? While it would of course be noble and awesome if someone donated their server resources to mirror the content, it might just be about money again.

  • asadzasadz Member

    @angstrom said:

    MS said:

    @angstrom said:

    @JasonM said:

    @raindog308 said: If I sign up with WP-Engine, why do I need anything at wordpress.org?

    because be it wp-engine or your private vps, once you install wordpress (either by ssh, or softaculous) it needs to ping the wordpress.org repository which contains all updates, including core files updates, third party plugins, themes, bug fixes, and security fixes. Wordpress is not wordpress without connecting to wordpress.org backend. So Auomattic/WordPress.org blocked IPs of WP Engine, so all their clients could not get any plugin/theme/security update. Though a reddit post says WPE now fixed with a work around. Some users used proxy-server to connect it.

    I don't use WordPress and know very little about how the WordPress ecosystem works, but aren't people allowed to mirror the wordpress.org repository? If they are, it surprises me that there aren't mirrors that one could use. Or am I missing something? (Perhaps people aren't allowed to mirror the wordpress.org repository?)

    Matt Mullenweg said in the livestream yesterday that WP Engine can mirror the repositories. See at the 12:00 mark on the video.

    I understand this

    My (perhaps naive) question was more about why there weren't mirrors of the wordpress.org repository already available/working (that people could use to update)

    Because traffic/cdn can get really expensive. And if someone (wp.org) is already doing it for free, why bother creating a mirror? :sweat_smile: People like free things and many take advantage of it. When you take free things away, then people (wp-eng) start to complain :#

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  • fatchanfatchan Member

    Ah, wordpress is GPL instead of AGPL. An unfortunate mistake, it would have solved this problem and wordpress developer could simply charge a big license fee for WP engine.

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  • angstromangstrom Moderator

    @Ympker said:

    @angstrom said:

    MS said:

    @angstrom said:

    @JasonM said:

    @raindog308 said: If I sign up with WP-Engine, why do I need anything at wordpress.org?

    because be it wp-engine or your private vps, once you install wordpress (either by ssh, or softaculous) it needs to ping the wordpress.org repository which contains all updates, including core files updates, third party plugins, themes, bug fixes, and security fixes. Wordpress is not wordpress without connecting to wordpress.org backend. So Auomattic/WordPress.org blocked IPs of WP Engine, so all their clients could not get any plugin/theme/security update. Though a reddit post says WPE now fixed with a work around. Some users used proxy-server to connect it.

    I don't use WordPress and know very little about how the WordPress ecosystem works, but aren't people allowed to mirror the wordpress.org repository? If they are, it surprises me that there aren't mirrors that one could use. Or am I missing something? (Perhaps people aren't allowed to mirror the wordpress.org repository?)

    Matt Mullenweg said in the livestream yesterday that WP Engine can mirror the repositories. See at the 12:00 mark on the video.

    I understand this

    My (perhaps naive) question was more about why there weren't mirrors of the wordpress.org repository already available/working (that people could use to update)

    This is just a vague guess, but wouldn't mirrors for a project this size be quite expensive? While it would of course be noble and awesome if someone donated their server resources to mirror the content, it might just be about money again.

    Let me put it this way: if WP Engine is a multi-million dollar company that sells managed WordPress hosting (and apparently, they are), then wouldn't it have made sense for them to have set up a mirror of the wordpress.org repository long ago?

    No doubt that such a mirror would cost significant money, but if you have a multi-million dollar business that depends on continually being able to access the wordpress.org repository, wouldn't such an investment have made sense? Also for your own customers. Also to "distribute the weight" of accessing the wordpress.org repository

    (But no doubt that I'm missing something)

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  • emghemgh Member, BF Ambassador

    Why would a mirror have to cost significant money even?

    Sure, dev time is expensive. But maintaining it probably wouldn’t cost a lot and the vast majority of the bandwidth should be within their network (their servers downloading from their mirror).

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  • verdverd Member

    @eva2000 said:

    The Wordpress SVN repos at

    https://core.svn.wordpress.org/
    https://themes.svn.wordpress.org/
    https://plugins.svn.wordpress.org/

    I know core is mirrored on Github, but is themes and plugins?

    https://wpackagist.org/

    seems not many people use it.
    maybe because it is composer based.

  • YmpkerYmpker Member
    edited September 29

    @angstrom said:

    @Ympker said:

    @angstrom said:

    MS said:

    @angstrom said:

    @JasonM said:

    @raindog308 said: If I sign up with WP-Engine, why do I need anything at wordpress.org?

    because be it wp-engine or your private vps, once you install wordpress (either by ssh, or softaculous) it needs to ping the wordpress.org repository which contains all updates, including core files updates, third party plugins, themes, bug fixes, and security fixes. Wordpress is not wordpress without connecting to wordpress.org backend. So Auomattic/WordPress.org blocked IPs of WP Engine, so all their clients could not get any plugin/theme/security update. Though a reddit post says WPE now fixed with a work around. Some users used proxy-server to connect it.

    I don't use WordPress and know very little about how the WordPress ecosystem works, but aren't people allowed to mirror the wordpress.org repository? If they are, it surprises me that there aren't mirrors that one could use. Or am I missing something? (Perhaps people aren't allowed to mirror the wordpress.org repository?)

    Matt Mullenweg said in the livestream yesterday that WP Engine can mirror the repositories. See at the 12:00 mark on the video.

    I understand this

    My (perhaps naive) question was more about why there weren't mirrors of the wordpress.org repository already available/working (that people could use to update)

    This is just a vague guess, but wouldn't mirrors for a project this size be quite expensive? While it would of course be noble and awesome if someone donated their server resources to mirror the content, it might just be about money again.

    Let me put it this way: if WP Engine is a multi-million dollar company that sells managed WordPress hosting (and apparently, they are), then wouldn't it have made sense for them to have set up a mirror of the wordpress.org repository long ago?

    No doubt that such a mirror would cost significant money, but if you have a multi-million dollar business that depends on continually being able to access the wordpress.org repository, wouldn't such an investment have made sense? Also for your own customers. Also to "distribute the weight" of accessing the wordpress.org repository

    (But no doubt that I'm missing something)

    I think, WP Engine probably didn't bother setting one up, because I'd imagine noone really did? At least I've never heard of it. Noone so far iamgined that the wp repos would be used as a weapon in a dispute. This is a first in wp history afaik

    Of course, they could've setup one I guess. But so far, noone saw a need for this to happen.

  • emghemgh Member, BF Ambassador

    @Ympker said:

    @angstrom said:

    @Ympker said:

    @angstrom said:

    MS said:

    @angstrom said:

    @JasonM said:

    @raindog308 said: If I sign up with WP-Engine, why do I need anything at wordpress.org?

    because be it wp-engine or your private vps, once you install wordpress (either by ssh, or softaculous) it needs to ping the wordpress.org repository which contains all updates, including core files updates, third party plugins, themes, bug fixes, and security fixes. Wordpress is not wordpress without connecting to wordpress.org backend. So Auomattic/WordPress.org blocked IPs of WP Engine, so all their clients could not get any plugin/theme/security update. Though a reddit post says WPE now fixed with a work around. Some users used proxy-server to connect it.

    I don't use WordPress and know very little about how the WordPress ecosystem works, but aren't people allowed to mirror the wordpress.org repository? If they are, it surprises me that there aren't mirrors that one could use. Or am I missing something? (Perhaps people aren't allowed to mirror the wordpress.org repository?)

    Matt Mullenweg said in the livestream yesterday that WP Engine can mirror the repositories. See at the 12:00 mark on the video.

    I understand this

    My (perhaps naive) question was more about why there weren't mirrors of the wordpress.org repository already available/working (that people could use to update)

    This is just a vague guess, but wouldn't mirrors for a project this size be quite expensive? While it would of course be noble and awesome if someone donated their server resources to mirror the content, it might just be about money again.

    Let me put it this way: if WP Engine is a multi-million dollar company that sells managed WordPress hosting (and apparently, they are), then wouldn't it have made sense for them to have set up a mirror of the wordpress.org repository long ago?

    No doubt that such a mirror would cost significant money, but if you have a multi-million dollar business that depends on continually being able to access the wordpress.org repository, wouldn't such an investment have made sense? Also for your own customers. Also to "distribute the weight" of accessing the wordpress.org repository

    (But no doubt that I'm missing something)

    I think, WP Engine probably didn't bother setting one up, because I'd imagine noone really did? At least I've never heard of it. Noone so far iamgined that the wp repos would be used as a weapon in a dispute. This is a first in wp history afaik

    Of course, they could've setup one I guess. But so far, noone saw a need for this to happen.

    I wonder is WP.org ever asked for them to do this previously or not.

  • YmpkerYmpker Member

    @emgh said:

    @Ympker said:

    @angstrom said:

    @Ympker said:

    @angstrom said:

    MS said:

    @angstrom said:

    @JasonM said:

    @raindog308 said: If I sign up with WP-Engine, why do I need anything at wordpress.org?

    because be it wp-engine or your private vps, once you install wordpress (either by ssh, or softaculous) it needs to ping the wordpress.org repository which contains all updates, including core files updates, third party plugins, themes, bug fixes, and security fixes. Wordpress is not wordpress without connecting to wordpress.org backend. So Auomattic/WordPress.org blocked IPs of WP Engine, so all their clients could not get any plugin/theme/security update. Though a reddit post says WPE now fixed with a work around. Some users used proxy-server to connect it.

    I don't use WordPress and know very little about how the WordPress ecosystem works, but aren't people allowed to mirror the wordpress.org repository? If they are, it surprises me that there aren't mirrors that one could use. Or am I missing something? (Perhaps people aren't allowed to mirror the wordpress.org repository?)

    Matt Mullenweg said in the livestream yesterday that WP Engine can mirror the repositories. See at the 12:00 mark on the video.

    I understand this

    My (perhaps naive) question was more about why there weren't mirrors of the wordpress.org repository already available/working (that people could use to update)

    This is just a vague guess, but wouldn't mirrors for a project this size be quite expensive? While it would of course be noble and awesome if someone donated their server resources to mirror the content, it might just be about money again.

    Let me put it this way: if WP Engine is a multi-million dollar company that sells managed WordPress hosting (and apparently, they are), then wouldn't it have made sense for them to have set up a mirror of the wordpress.org repository long ago?

    No doubt that such a mirror would cost significant money, but if you have a multi-million dollar business that depends on continually being able to access the wordpress.org repository, wouldn't such an investment have made sense? Also for your own customers. Also to "distribute the weight" of accessing the wordpress.org repository

    (But no doubt that I'm missing something)

    I think, WP Engine probably didn't bother setting one up, because I'd imagine noone really did? At least I've never heard of it. Noone so far iamgined that the wp repos would be used as a weapon in a dispute. This is a first in wp history afaik

    Of course, they could've setup one I guess. But so far, noone saw a need for this to happen.

    I wonder is WP.org ever asked for them to do this previously or not.

    I don't they've asked anyone to do this previously. that's why it came as a surprise

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  • eva2000eva2000 Veteran

    Further escalation from Matt https://www.reddit.com/r/Wordpress/comments/1frrd0i/live_now_theo_t3gg_interviewing_matt/

    Matt just said on the stream that he has now disabled the WPE dev account on wordpress.org, so they are now blocked from access/deploying code to their plugins, like ACF.

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  • FatGrizzlyFatGrizzly Member, Host Rep

    this kinda feels like corporate monopoly now...

  • TimboJonesTimboJones Member

    @eva2000 said:
    Further escalation from Matt https://www.reddit.com/r/Wordpress/comments/1frrd0i/live_now_theo_t3gg_interviewing_matt/

    Matt just said on the stream that he has now disabled the WPE dev account on wordpress.org, so they are now blocked from access/deploying code to their plugins, like ACF.

    @LowEndLawyers, is this tortious interference?

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  • JasonMJasonM Member
    edited September 30

    @TimboJones said: @LowEndLawyers, is this tortious interference?

    actually in Hosting world when somebody (their user/customer) threatens a "web host" with legal action in writting and many web hosts cover the same in their TOS that if a user threatens us with legal action we will close your account... (so services/vm etc are suspended or terminated and account is closed irrespective if the said user is a reseller and having 1000s of websites hosted by their customers) quite similar happened with WP Engine and Automattic/WordPress Foundation.

    but its sad. Both parties reputation is at stake now. IDK if Matt has the legal right to do so, but WordPress.org in its own capcity fully has right to pull the plug due to legal case threat, and not due to WP Engine not paying royaltee or whatever fee or contribution.

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  • LeviLevi Member

    Monster @jar

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  • eva2000eva2000 Veteran

    https://techcrunch.com/2024/09/29/wordpress-vs-wp-engine-drama-explained/

    On September 30, a day before the WordPress.org deadline for the ban on WP Engine, the hosting company updated its site’s footer to clarify it is not directly affiliated with the WordPress Foundation or owns the WordPress trade.

    “WP Engine is a proud member and supporter of the community of WordPress® users. The WordPress® trademark is the intellectual property of the WordPress Foundation, and the Woo® and WooCommerce® trademarks are the intellectual property of WooCommerce, Inc. Uses of the WordPress®, Woo®, and WooCommerce® names in this website are for identification purposes only and do not imply an endorsement by WordPress Foundation or WooCommerce, Inc. WP Engine is not endorsed or owned by, or affiliated with, the WordPress Foundation or WooCommerce, Inc,” the updated description on the site read.

    The company also changed its plan names from “Essential WordPress,” “Core WordPress,” and “Enterprise WordPress” to “Essential,” “Core,” and “Enterprise.”

  • eva2000eva2000 Veteran
    edited October 1

    Seems WPEngine has their mirror system in place now. Not sure how it would work long term as I imagine it's still dependent on wordpress.org initial access.

    This drama just highlights and puts on notice every for-profit WordPress user. Makes discussions like this one important https://www.reddit.com/r/Wordpress/s/ZEtWFCZveD

    My proof of concept for Cloudflare Worker/R2 S3 bucket and Cloudflare CDN cached WordPress plugin mirror system I whipped up https://gist.github.com/centminmod/952394157905596f4ef7656b3132f391 :sunglasses:

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  • eva2000eva2000 Veteran

    Yikes https://www.therepository.email/mullenweg-threatens-corporate-takeover-of-wp-engine

    Automattic CEO Matt Mullenweg has rescinded an 8% licensing deal offered to WP Engine in September, suggesting that escalating tensions between the two companies could lead to a corporate acquisition by Automattic.

    In an interview with The Repository, Mullenweg said Automattic now wanted more than 8% of WP Engine’s annual revenue, or an equivalent of resources invested into the WordPress project—or a combination of both—in exchange for the use of its “WordPress” and “WooCommerce” trademarks.

    “That deal’s not on the table anymore. We’re seeking more, not 8%,” Mullenweg said. “I don’t want to speculate on what the deal might be… In July it was less than 8%, it was smaller. In September it was 8%. The deal they have to do next could be taking over the company, they have no leverage.”

    Mullenweg’s latest comments come as Automattic and WP Engine remain locked in a tense stand-off more than a week after he called the rival hosting company a “cancer to WordPress,” accusing it of profiting off the WordPress project and violating trademarks.

    While WP Engine has remained tight-lipped over the past week, Mullenweg has ramped up his public criticism of WP Engine through social media, interviews, and livestreams, following years of private negotiations that he says failed to reach an agreement.

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  • eva2000eva2000 Veteran

    rumours, Matt might be telling his Automattic employees if they don't like his actions, they are free to leave with a payout package

    https://x.com/kellie/status/1841210258422972536

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @eva2000 said:
    Yikes https://www.therepository.email/mullenweg-threatens-corporate-takeover-of-wp-engine

    Automattic CEO Matt Mullenweg has rescinded an 8% licensing deal offered to WP Engine in September, suggesting that escalating tensions between the two companies could lead to a corporate acquisition by Automattic.

    In an interview with The Repository, Mullenweg said Automattic now wanted more than 8% of WP Engine’s annual revenue, or an equivalent of resources invested into the WordPress project—or a combination of both—in exchange for the use of its “WordPress” and “WooCommerce” trademarks.

    “That deal’s not on the table anymore. We’re seeking more, not 8%,” Mullenweg said. “I don’t want to speculate on what the deal might be… In July it was less than 8%, it was smaller. In September it was 8%. The deal they have to do next could be taking over the company, they have no leverage.”

    Mullenweg’s latest comments come as Automattic and WP Engine remain locked in a tense stand-off more than a week after he called the rival hosting company a “cancer to WordPress,” accusing it of profiting off the WordPress project and violating trademarks.

    While WP Engine has remained tight-lipped over the past week, Mullenweg has ramped up his public criticism of WP Engine through social media, interviews, and livestreams, following years of private negotiations that he says failed to reach an agreement.

    I want to say he's lost his damn mind but he's clearly doing the bidding of someone more influential than himself. My feeling is that he has an investor breathing down his neck. These kind of games he's playing either come from incompetence or brutal business genius. If it's the former why isn't there any evidence of even the slightest power struggle with investors? If it's the latter I'm still not going to like him after.

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  • eva2000eva2000 Veteran

    Another Matthew, Cloudflare CEO offering wordpress.org assistance https://x.com/eastdakota/status/1841154152006627663?t=Od3heV-x93axQnjO1uWulQ&s=19

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  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @eva2000 said:
    Another Matthew, Cloudflare CEO offering wordpress.org assistance https://x.com/eastdakota/status/1841154152006627663?t=Od3heV-x93axQnjO1uWulQ&s=19

    That right there is worthy of popcorn. Called his bluff. We all know the resources required to run it has no relation to the underlying issue but it still keeps coming up.

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  • eva2000eva2000 Veteran
    edited October 2

    @jar said:

    @eva2000 said:
    Another Matthew, Cloudflare CEO offering wordpress.org assistance https://x.com/eastdakota/status/1841154152006627663?t=Od3heV-x93axQnjO1uWulQ&s=19

    That right there is worthy of popcorn. Called his bluff. We all know the resources required to run it has no relation to the underlying issue but it still keeps coming up.

    Exactly seems Matt's just drunk on power and control. Though understandable as it's his baby.

    Posted a update on my proof of concept for Wordpress plugin mirroring using Cloudflare workers and R2 S3 bucket https://github.com/centminmod/wordpress-plugin-mirror-poc

    Looks like Matt is going after WPEngine customers now https://x.com/photomatt/status/1841283504799133800?t=oAmUdEhzAdGB2W3D9n2rhA&s=19

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  • hsrhsr Member

    Matt now seems to be at the point of not understanding the things he himself is saying in plain English: https://automattic.com/2024/10/01/wpe-terms/

    "WPEngine are lying when they say Automattic demanded money from them, and to prove this, we're publishing a document that clearly states that we did exactly what they say we did."

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  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran
    edited October 2

    This settles for me whether or not he's a subtle genius or just losing it:

    Part 1: https://files.freesocial.co/f.php?h=2Hm42Tfn&p=1

    Part 2: https://files.freesocial.co/f.php?h=0wrNqWu3&p=1

    Part 3: https://files.freesocial.co/f.php?h=1n7eHSN5&p=1

    I delete petty posts from time to time too. But I lost it years ago.

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  • Petey_LongPetey_Long Member
    edited October 2

    @jar said:
    This settles for me whether or not he's a subtle genius or just losing it:

    Matt, post-5150

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