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Bahnhof
http://bahnhof.se/thule/service/data-centers/cloud
Lol nope. Swedish anti speech laws only apply to SWEDISH CITIZENS LIVING IN SWEDEN and not content and assets that are hosted in the country.
On topic:
Probably Tor because taking down and tracing union domains is damn damn hard.
Make sure to use a VPN because some Tor nodes are ran by the gov or at least in co-operation to trace back connecting IPs. VPN provider's logs don't dump data thus making it impossible which of their users was using Tor at moment X (unless you're the only Tor user, so use a well known NAT VPN provider) Perhaps http://vpn.sh
@c0y You can't trace back Tor connections, if they dont hacked the tor relays on the way to exit. You could be only dumb enought to use the same email account as when you would use it without tor. And when you use a VPN, it takes not long until they get you.
The only thing is, when you such a big guy host illegal material in big style, NSA/FBI could try to use exploits to find you. But when you just one little citizen they dont get you if you are not dumb.
Nah, if the majority of entry points in your tor path happens to go through gov controlled tor nodes they can easily trace you back. Joining via an entry node controlled by gov is technically enough granted they think it's worth to crack all traffic that passed through at the moment you did something VERY BAD...
which one would be better (harder to track) freenetproject.org or Tor?
so far i only tried freenetproject.org not Tor yet.
@c0y until they do this, you must have done a lot illegal activities.
Theoretically its possible but they gonna implement random traffc so should be even harder/impossible.
@Mark_R good question, i would say tor.
Dude, they have been saving meaningless content from innocent citizens for years. Why wouldn't they dump Tor encrypted traffic, which is more likely to be used for something illegal.
Haven't looked into the network structure of freenetproject so cannot compare them. However, we've seen NSA go much further in the past than anyone expected, so there's no guarantee that one more secure by design is actually more secure :-/
i read that the way freenet works that its very hard to figure out where data came from because it keeps moving between all connected clients
but sometimes it was possible to predict how the system worked, which paths it took, so i guess its not much better in the end..
freenet is also a pain in the ass to use i never really found anything valueable through its search system lol.
Maybe we can exchange some human-understandable knowledge :-)
Tor nodes are basically all open SOCKS5 proxies. Entry nodes are simply "trusted" by the network, relays only accept connections from and to relays (includes entry nodes and exit nodes) and exit nodes only allow connections from Tor relays and to anything.
So a minimal chain is always:
Maybe it can even work without the relay but it's impractical discussing that. The Tor client however decides what nodes it's going to use and chains the connections with SOCKS5 headers (read upon it, it's actually really simple)
Tor slightly modified the SOCKS5 protocol (it's a really simple one anyway) and encrypts the payload (not sure about packet header, probably too)
lets stay on topic guys. start a new thread for tor/vpns
United States
So many assumptions and flawed reasoning in this thread. If you want to know where to host your stuff, go look at international cooperation treaties, and take note of which countries do not cooperate with the countries you expect to have issues with. Realistically, no countries are likely to allow for controversial content about themselves.
I always wonder why people bring up Sweden and Czech in regards to free speech et al. Both countries are member states of the EU. They follow exactly the same rationale as the other member states. Plus the Czech Republic is a member to the NATO.
Yea... so much missinfo...
No, Sealand cannot keep you online - They are inside UK waters at currently accepted international regulations (no matter if they say otherwise, it's simply not true), are not accepted as country, don't fulfill the criterias for being a country (government-executive-people), are not self sustainable and cannot be (because nobody deals with a country that doesn't exist) and -all seem to forget that- the upstream can simply cut them off. Or the UK military raids the platform (again, and this time less friendly).
Where to host heavily depends on content, free speech is indeed in the US very good (but this has limits, notably that you should be US citizen as well, and i disagree with @joepie91 here - You can heavily critic the US on US hosting also), copyright and alike eastern europe (Ukraine, Russia - only without Russian language content) or Asia (Vietnam)...
Germany and Austria are rather special (in the EU), our liability is designed to go to end users always and not the ISP (Providerschutz, service provider liability) - This ironically applies in Germany to private persons as well, in Austria it does not (Acting as ISP, i.e. Tor Exit or VPS hoster).
Our copyright laws are similar (VERY different in some points however, expiration after death and porn in special) and extend (if no Einstweilige Verfügung/Quick order is presented) to a full court processing for even a single possibly violating image which can take forever (years) and the content can stay online until the decision (This is heavily case based).
Austria tends to be on the enduser side; Germany tends to be on corporate side in most cases.
Technically Germany has a standing court order defining porn as not copyright protected due to limited artistic content in it (haha).
User data is always protected, DE/AT explicitely forbid giving out any user data unless required by a court order (Exception: State police in Austria can request IP ownership data signed-off by a clerk; not a judge; only for crimes in StGB.) (Exceptions herefrom are external accountants and if specified by ToS suppliers that sometimes require personal info like RIPE/ARIN).
The US (and others) can technically get user data with a court order re-certifieng their US one in AT/DE/EU (which for most crimes is then verified to be substantial correct by our police). Realistically happens easily for all crimes over 5 years jail and if the owner is not an Austrian citizen (This invokes another ruleset that would trigger Austrian investigations to replace the US ones and stop any data transfer) - Crimes have to be crimes in AT/DE as well and the jail timeframe (5 in AT; 10 in DE i believe) to hand over data is specified by our books, not the relevant US law (so if it has less here they will likely not return the data).
Some other EU stuff comes into play here as well (Death penalty on crime).
just dont use free vpn sites thats my suggestion for you bad boys
@William
No offense, I see where you're coming from, but I think you're mistaken between what Germany claims they do, and what they actually do.
Personally, I wouldn't trust anything that even remotely connects through Germany...
Some things to consider:
http://v.ht/56bZ
http://v.ht/NxiJ
http://v.ht/Fg9m
http://v.ht/87mn
http://v.ht/eXwK
http://v.ht/9NWB
@funyuns_are_awesome
This thread is over a year old....
However, I think the problem is that most European traffic has to go through Germany, so you have to trust them at least a bit, or am I wrong?
Yes, pretty all european traffic, except much french, most netherland and uk traffic, is going through DeCix FfM, DE.
Formertimes things seemed good. usa was the country of the free and I remember many Europeans hosting with peer, usa 20 years ago, for the very reason of freedom.
Today, after Snowden, Assange, and many extremely unpleasant events (not only) in the usa, I'd strongly suggest to differentiate.
In fact, some formerly free/liberal countries have turned into bad places for sensitive stuff. I'd assume that one can still host pretty everything in the usa except for anything even remotely or perceivable as terrorism-related or anti-usa, but one would probably find oneself on some "evildoers/suspicious" list(s).
Germany is a strange case. On one hand they seem to be honestly very privacy and liberal rights concerned, on the other hand they are quite obviously but a kind of obedient usa-colony and it's not by coincidence that they happily mirror any and everything that crosses Germany to nsa and ghcq. Highest german sensitivities are (whatever they consider as) "extreme right". De facto any and all usa interests will be blindly obeyed, so dmca shouldn't be taken lightly in DE.
sweden is somewhat similar. While seeming to be even more liberal than usa and DE, they have turned into a de facto executive body of the usa, dancing to its every tune.
France was surprisingly liberal in many regards but has turned into a nightmare.
Swizerland, probably never a liberal paradise actually seems to have been quite cool formertimes. Today it also turned into obedience to the usa.
Netherlands has always been quite liberal but at the same time obedient to usa interests.
Generally, all eu countries make quite some noise about "basic rights", "freedom of speech", etc. - but actually have largely scaled down on liberty or even turned repressive.
If it's about porn, software piracy or ignoring dmca Romania might be good place (or the baltics but they can't be trusted). Concerning political (incl. religious) issues, one will need to carefully differentiate. If it's not extreme in any way, AT, DE or NL might still be good places.
Finally, while Iceland has a somewhat tainted history (in that regard) I'd consider it to be among the best places in terms of free speech.
I'd recommend Finland, considering their #1 press freedom ranking.
Middle East :P
Turkey, as long as we like what you say. If not, we can even provide free handcuffs.
i would go with ukraine but i think their network centers been blown up. or russia... but i still havent been able to test the speed of a russsian server. what about switzerland, neutral country. didnt do nothing in ww2
im serious about the ukraine bit, their servers offline..
Services in Iran is not a good choice ,
Low speed connection to outside the country,
Less uptime than other services like in Netherlands ro Russia.
http://www.cyberbunker.com/web/index.php
No, Cyberbunker is not secure - The owner is currently in Jail and the bunker was raided multiple times (and had a drug lab in it).
Ireland... ?
im still checking out russian vps's lol and some of the cheap dedicated stuff
Yes, Ireland might be a good compromise. But I'm just guessing.
Russia is actually pretty easy going, as long as one doen't piss at their religious feelings, their president or generally the Russians themselves. And they are probably not very inclined to dance to western intelligence services tunes. So that might be a good solution for quite some needs.