Curious about how MUCH do you trust MXroute with your own personal stuff?

JosephF

@listerine90 said:
Honestly, I run most of my billing accounts mostly on Gmail since I want availability.

Consumer Gmail permits running automatically generated emails to be sent out?

rcy026

@emgh said:

@rcy026 said:

@emgh said:

@1nf said:

@emgh said:
Wouldn’t it be cool with a Firefox/Chrome addon that could create and categorize email adresses on a per service basis using the DA API? Then, MXRoute and the likes could be used

I have catch-all switched on then I just use (service)@example.com. Bonus points in that it lets me know who leaked or sold my data

But I don’t want that😢

I want them to be fully identifiable and have zero connection to each other, and for any catch all’s to go to /dev/null

I'm not fully understanding what you want here.
I have a catchall so when I signup up somewhere I can use [email protected] or [email protected]. This makes them easily identifiable and if I get spam I know who sold my email. I also have an easy way to add that particular adress, ie [email protected], to a blacklist that will give anyone trying to send mail to it a "550 spam, go fuck yourself".

I don't understand what you mean by "have zero connection to each other".
And what's even the point of having a catch all if it just goes to /dev/null?

Is that a catch all?

Because I don’t want that

By dev null, I meant that I don’t want it to exist

I want to add mail adresses that will be allowed to be mailes, whitelist. Not blacklist specific ones

Like I do now with iCloud+ and their email service

So you want to create a unique email adress for every service? That you have to manually create before you can use it?
Isn't that basically how all email works?

iCloud tells me absolutely nothing, never used it.

listerine90

@JosephF said:

@listerine90 said:
Honestly, I run most of my billing accounts mostly on Gmail since I want availability.

Consumer Gmail permits running automatically generated emails to be sent out?

You may have misunderstood my statement, while it is possible to use SMTP to send automated messages on a normal gmail account, that was not the point of my statement.

I am using gmail as a receiving mail which was the scope of OP's question.

The term "availability" refers to I guess the reliability of the service, and its lifespan. Gmail has lasted for like 20 years now I believe? Which makes it relatively stable and reliable and not projected to go down like skiff did.

emgh

@rcy026 said:

@emgh said:

@rcy026 said:

@emgh said:

@1nf said:

@emgh said:
Wouldn’t it be cool with a Firefox/Chrome addon that could create and categorize email adresses on a per service basis using the DA API? Then, MXRoute and the likes could be used

I have catch-all switched on then I just use (service)@example.com. Bonus points in that it lets me know who leaked or sold my data

But I don’t want that😢

I want them to be fully identifiable and have zero connection to each other, and for any catch all’s to go to /dev/null

I'm not fully understanding what you want here.
I have a catchall so when I signup up somewhere I can use [email protected] or [email protected]. This makes them easily identifiable and if I get spam I know who sold my email. I also have an easy way to add that particular adress, ie [email protected], to a blacklist that will give anyone trying to send mail to it a "550 spam, go fuck yourself".

I don't understand what you mean by "have zero connection to each other".
And what's even the point of having a catch all if it just goes to /dev/null?

Is that a catch all?

Because I don’t want that

By dev null, I meant that I don’t want it to exist

I want to add mail adresses that will be allowed to be mailes, whitelist. Not blacklist specific ones

Like I do now with iCloud+ and their email service

So you want to create a unique email adress for every service? That you have to manually create before you can use it?
Isn't that basically how all email works?

iCloud tells me absolutely nothing, never used it.

Exactly. But with it, I can do it with 1-click. There’s a Firefox addon that creates it with 1 click and names it the domain name that you’re at. The Safari browser does the same, if you’re at an email input, it suggest an existing email where it’s tag matches the domain name, or, offers to create one then and there. Super simple.

My idea was something like that, such as: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/icloud-hide-my-email/

But for DA

emgh

(And they’re just forwarders, but you can actually respond to emails from them)

iKeyZ

@emgh said:
And I also like that I don’t have the service assosciated with the email adress

They’re like [email protected] kind of

StartMail seems to do similar to this and I believe Fastmail does too, e.g. on SM:

JosephF

@Smigit said:

I posted elsewhere but as Google winds down Sync (push email via ActiveSync protocol) I’ll probably move over to FastMail as they have a very nice masked email integration with 1Password, and I’ve been slowly ramping up use of that service as a result.

When is Gmail disabling Sync? In what way do you use that feature? And how does the FastMail integration work 1Password operate?

JosephF

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emgh

@iKeyZ said:

@emgh said:
And I also like that I don’t have the service assosciated with the email adress

They’re like [email protected] kind of

StartMail seems to do similar to this and I believe Fastmail does too, e.g. on SM:

Yeah exactly, but an extension doing this in 1-click with the DA API would be useful as it would work across providers

Smigit

@JosephF said:

@Smigit said:

I posted elsewhere but as Google winds down Sync (push email via ActiveSync protocol) I’ll probably move over to FastMail as they have a very nice masked email integration with 1Password, and I’ve been slowly ramping up use of that service as a result.

When is Gmail disabling Sync? In what way do you use that feature? And how does the FastMail integration work 1Password operate?

Around September this year: https://workspaceupdates.googleblog.com/2023/09/winding-down-google-sync-and-less-secure-apps-support.html?m=1

With a paid Workspaces account you can get push mail delivery on iOS by configuring your Google Mail service as an Exchange account. This doesn’t work for free Gmail account, and requires the use of an App Password generated in Google. Free Gmail is limited to Fetch mail delivery on an interval of using the standard mail app.

With the offering going away I’ll need to either look elsewhere (what I’ll do), use Googles Gmail app or a different third party app such as Canary, in order to get push mail delivery.

For the fastmail thing, you can link your 1Password and FastMail service. Following this when filling in an email address on a form, such as a registration on a new service, along with auto filing your normal email address you have the option to create a “new masked email”. Using this generates a new masked email in Fastmail which is a random and unique email address tied to the service.

You can create the masked emails manually, but the 1Password workflows super convinient as it requires no login into your mail account to do it. I have it set up so that these marked emails are generate using a different domain name to my regular accounts too.

I believe BitWarden might also support this with them now too, but not 100% sure on that. ProtonMail has a similar thing with SimpleLogin and in iOS there’s “Hide my email” via Apple.

The video at this page shows how that works in practice: https://1password.com/fastmail/

jar

Don't forget, we support push in the iOS mail app.

Neoon

I would trust him with my email account associated to my pornhub premium.
That nobody will sneak upon the porn.

jar

@Neoon said:
I would trust him with my email account associated to my pornhub premium.
That nobody will sneak upon the porn.

Free service if you share your password.

Neoon

@jar said:

@Neoon said:
I would trust him with my email account associated to my pornhub premium.
That nobody will sneak upon the porn.

Free service if you share your password.

maybe.

cochon

@emgh said:

@rcy026 said:

@emgh said:

@rcy026 said:

@emgh said:

@1nf said:

@emgh said:
Wouldn’t it be cool with a Firefox/Chrome addon that could create and categorize email adresses on a per service basis using the DA API? Then, MXRoute and the likes could be used

I have catch-all switched on then I just use (service)@example.com. Bonus points in that it lets me know who leaked or sold my data

But I don’t want that😢

I want them to be fully identifiable and have zero connection to each other, and for any catch all’s to go to /dev/null

I'm not fully understanding what you want here.
I have a catchall so when I signup up somewhere I can use [email protected] or [email protected]. This makes them easily identifiable and if I get spam I know who sold my email. I also have an easy way to add that particular adress, ie [email protected], to a blacklist that will give anyone trying to send mail to it a "550 spam, go fuck yourself".

I don't understand what you mean by "have zero connection to each other".
And what's even the point of having a catch all if it just goes to /dev/null?

Is that a catch all?

Because I don’t want that

By dev null, I meant that I don’t want it to exist

I want to add mail adresses that will be allowed to be mailes, whitelist. Not blacklist specific ones

Like I do now with iCloud+ and their email service

So you want to create a unique email adress for every service? That you have to manually create before you can use it?
Isn't that basically how all email works?

iCloud tells me absolutely nothing, never used it.

Exactly. But with it, I can do it with 1-click. There’s a Firefox addon that creates it with 1 click and names it the domain name that you’re at. The Safari browser does the same, if you’re at an email input, it suggest an existing email where it’s tag matches the domain name, or, offers to create one then and there. Super simple.

My idea was something like that, such as: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/icloud-hide-my-email/

But for DA

Simple true, but still needs extra input, plugins and is tied to niche mail service.

Catch-all will work fairly generically why re-invent the wheel for DA?

If you box clever and only ever use mailboxes with full stops in, you can '/dev/null' any alphanumeric ones, i.e. speculative attempts to sales@, info@, jane@, john@ etc. Have been doing that for years and never see any spam.

JosephF

@cochon said:

If you box clever and only ever use mailboxes with full stops in, you can '/dev/null' any alphanumeric ones, i.e. speculative attempts to sales@, info@, jane@, john@ etc. Have been doing that for years and never see any spam.

Can you explain that in simpler terms?

emgh

@cochon what extra input? It’s generated by a dropdown in the email field, faster than typing an email, and, BitWarden fills it up once saved just the same as it would had it been the same email. I don’t find it extra work in any major way (and I’m very lazy when it comes to regular stuff like that, so I wouldn’t do it if it was)

@JosephF he means that he blocks generic ones to avoid the issue that I see with catch-all’s

I guess one could do something like end each with ’1’ or soemthing, and then ’/dev/null’ anything that’s not an existing inbox and not ending with ’1’ or something if it ever would become an issue

Anyway, I feel good whitelisting and not blacklisting. Could very much be something in my head

cochon

@JosephF said:

@cochon said:

If you box clever and only ever use mailboxes with full stops in, you can '/dev/null' any alphanumeric ones, i.e. speculative attempts to sales@, info@, jane@, john@ etc. Have been doing that for years and never see any spam.

Can you explain that in simpler terms?

The catch-all mechanism allows all and any mailbox names to be delivered without needing to configure or whitelist them first.

But of course spammers try common names regularly, so I only use mailbox names with a full stop (period) like '[email protected]' and use a filter rule to ignore any that only contain letters and numbers, and no periods, like '[email protected]'. I never see speculative mail sent to addresses with periods in (touch wood).

@emgh said:
@cochon what extra input? It’s generated by a dropdown in the email field, faster than typing an email

Ah yes, that would be a benefit.

neverain

unrelated, but does anyone know of any provider that does icognet's MyPrivateInbox type of service (incog hasnt launched yet)?

unsafetypin

Enough that I store a video of my goth gf pegging me on there. Been a paying customer for a few years now.

Daniel15

@vitobotta said: but just because I like self hosting things for fun and I now self host email too.

I self-host my email but still use MXRoute as an outgoing SMTP relay because @jar has IP reputation figured out even for Hotmail/Outlook365 which is pretty much impossible for most people. https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/178881/self-hosted-mailcow-relaying-through-mxroute/p1

Daniel15

@emgh said:

@rcy026 said:

@emgh said:

@1nf said:

@emgh said:
Wouldn’t it be cool with a Firefox/Chrome addon that could create and categorize email adresses on a per service basis using the DA API? Then, MXRoute and the likes could be used

I have catch-all switched on then I just use (service)@example.com. Bonus points in that it lets me know who leaked or sold my data

But I don’t want that😢

I want them to be fully identifiable and have zero connection to each other, and for any catch all’s to go to /dev/null

I'm not fully understanding what you want here.
I have a catchall so when I signup up somewhere I can use [email protected] or [email protected]. This makes them easily identifiable and if I get spam I know who sold my email. I also have an easy way to add that particular adress, ie [email protected], to a blacklist that will give anyone trying to send mail to it a "550 spam, go fuck yourself".

I don't understand what you mean by "have zero connection to each other".
And what's even the point of having a catch all if it just goes to /dev/null?

Is that a catch all?

Because I don’t want that

By dev null, I meant that I don’t want it to exist

I want to add mail adresses that will be allowed to be mailes, whitelist. Not blacklist specific ones

Like I do now with iCloud+ and their email service

It sounds like you want something like https://simplelogin.io/. Would be interesting for MXRoute to have a hosted version of it.

rcy026

@emgh said:

@rcy026 said:

@emgh said:

@rcy026 said:

@emgh said:

@1nf said:

@emgh said:
Wouldn’t it be cool with a Firefox/Chrome addon that could create and categorize email adresses on a per service basis using the DA API? Then, MXRoute and the likes could be used

I have catch-all switched on then I just use (service)@example.com. Bonus points in that it lets me know who leaked or sold my data

But I don’t want that😢

I want them to be fully identifiable and have zero connection to each other, and for any catch all’s to go to /dev/null

I'm not fully understanding what you want here.
I have a catchall so when I signup up somewhere I can use [email protected] or [email protected]. This makes them easily identifiable and if I get spam I know who sold my email. I also have an easy way to add that particular adress, ie [email protected], to a blacklist that will give anyone trying to send mail to it a "550 spam, go fuck yourself".

I don't understand what you mean by "have zero connection to each other".
And what's even the point of having a catch all if it just goes to /dev/null?

Is that a catch all?

Because I don’t want that

By dev null, I meant that I don’t want it to exist

I want to add mail adresses that will be allowed to be mailes, whitelist. Not blacklist specific ones

Like I do now with iCloud+ and their email service

So you want to create a unique email adress for every service? That you have to manually create before you can use it?
Isn't that basically how all email works?

iCloud tells me absolutely nothing, never used it.

Exactly. But with it, I can do it with 1-click. There’s a Firefox addon that creates it with 1 click and names it the domain name that you’re at. The Safari browser does the same, if you’re at an email input, it suggest an existing email where it’s tag matches the domain name, or, offers to create one then and there. Super simple.

My idea was something like that, such as: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/icloud-hide-my-email/

But for DA

OK, it makes sense to me now.
It's basically exactly what my catch all does all the time, only difference is I have to type it in, not click on an addon.

It should not be to difficult to make an addon for this as long as your MTA has some kind of API or as you suggested, do it via DA. If someone feels like giving it a try, I could help out as much as time allows me and I could provide some DA environments to test against. I actually think it's a good idea for an addon, it might not attract millions of "normal" users but for us lowenders it could be a really neat function.

emgh

@rcy026 Nice! I’ll see if I can get some time on my hands to do something basic.

JosephF

@cochon said:

@JosephF said:

@cochon said:

If you box clever and only ever use mailboxes with full stops in, you can '/dev/null' any alphanumeric ones, i.e. speculative attempts to sales@, info@, jane@, john@ etc. Have been doing that for years and never see any spam.

Can you explain that in simpler terms?

The catch-all mechanism allows all and any mailbox names to be delivered without needing to configure or whitelist them first.

But of course spammers try common names regularly, so I only use mailbox names with a full stop (period) like '[email protected]' and use a filter rule to ignore any that only contain letters and numbers, and no periods, like '[email protected]'. I never see speculative mail sent to addresses with periods in (touch wood).

How do you accomplish the filtering?

commercial

Short & Fast answer, no headaches

cochon

@JosephF said:

@cochon said:

@JosephF said:

@cochon said:

If you box clever and only ever use mailboxes with full stops in, you can '/dev/null' any alphanumeric ones, i.e. speculative attempts to sales@, info@, jane@, john@ etc. Have been doing that for years and never see any spam.

Can you explain that in simpler terms?

The catch-all mechanism allows all and any mailbox names to be delivered without needing to configure or whitelist them first.

But of course spammers try common names regularly, so I only use mailbox names with a full stop (period) like '[email protected]' and use a filter rule to ignore any that only contain letters and numbers, and no periods, like '[email protected]'. I never see speculative mail sent to addresses with periods in (touch wood).

How do you accomplish the filtering?

On MXRoute? Something like this:

Ran out of edit time trying to embed this, so...

https://imgur.com/a/p8XguZC