Windows 11 may soon receive the sudo command

farsighter

According to those who have been keeping an eye on Windows developments, the sudo command will likely be added to consumer-facing editions of Windows 11 in the near future (via Neowin). This comes after some reviewed Windows Server 2025 preview builds and found hints that it could be in the works. If it debuts on Windows 11, as some are predicting, users will need to enable Developer Mode in order to leverage sudo (via Twitter/@thebookisclosed). Additionally, the configuration of sudo will need to be done in a new window. All of this being said, many Windows device owners can already leverage sudo on their operating system through third-party alternatives

More:
https://www.xda-developers.com/windows-microsoft-sudo-command-rumor/

JosephF

What good will it do for Windows?

tentor

OpenBSD: In the spirit of Microsoft bringing sudo to Windows, it is time we bring Word to OpenBSD.

Same as Microsoft:

1. Not caring about name confusion
2. Not caring about compatible behaviours
3. Not caring about trademarks or defacto trademarks
4. Not asking the original product teams if it is OK.

This is setting the standard as well as Microsoft will do with sudo.

spywork

Great. sudo rm -rf /

totally_not_banned

sudo is pretty much a synonym for retardation so it kind of fits. I wonder if there is even 1% of sudo users that use it for it's intented purpose and not just as a poor su replacement.

raindog308

@tentor said: OpenBSD: In the spirit of Microsoft bringing sudo to Windows, it is time we bring Word to OpenBSD.

Ironically, OpenBSD deprecated sudo and replaced it with doas due to security concerns.

@totally_not_banned said: not just as a poor su replacement

There are valid reasons to give unix user #1 the ability to run one command as unix user #2 without given them the power to do everything user #2 can do, especially if user #2 is root.

kevinds

@totally_not_banned said: sudo is pretty much a synonym for retardation so it kind of fits. I wonder if there is even 1% of sudo users that use it for it's intented purpose and not just as a poor su replacement.

sudo su -

yoursunny

@kevinds said:

@totally_not_banned said: sudo is pretty much a synonym for retardation so it kind of fits. I wonder if there is even 1% of sudo users that use it for it's intented purpose and not just as a poor su replacement.

sudo su -

sudo -i

totally_not_banned

@raindog308 said:

@totally_not_banned said: not just as a poor su replacement

There are valid reasons to give unix user #1 the ability to run one command as unix user #2 without given them the power to do everything user #2 can do, especially if user #2 is root.

Correct but how many people actually use it this way? 1% is likely already pushing it. There's very valid and clever use cases but the average user thinks it's simply what you prepend when something needs root rights.

CheepCluck

@spywork said:
Great. sudo rm -rf /

sudo rm -rf --nopreservesystem32 /

Levi

sudo :(){ :|:& };:

qbit15

In case people didn't know, sudo is being maintained by only one dude[1]. Currently, he has no sponsors to support sudo

1. https://github.com/sudo-project/sudo/graphs/contributors

qbit15

@Levi said:
sudo :(){ :|:& };:

Fork bomb. Internet is a dangerous place, be on a lookout kids!

gooliver

sudo visudo

kevinds

@qbit15 said: Fork bomb. Internet is a dangerous place, be on a lookout kids!

Never paste code you don't understand into your terminal.. Especially that you find on the internet...

Levi

@qbit15 said:

@Levi said:
sudo :(){ :|:& };:

Fork bomb. Internet is a dangerous place, be on a lookout kids!

It is essentially rm -rf.

uekix

@kevinds said:

@qbit15 said: Fork bomb. Internet is a dangerous place, be on a lookout kids!

Never paste code you don't understand into your terminal.. Especially that you find on the internet...

How about someone's terminal?

kevinds

@uekix said: How about someone's terminal?

Someone else's terminal? Go for it.. They wouldn't have left it open if they didn't want other people to use it..

qbit15

@Levi said:

@qbit15 said:

@Levi said:
sudo :(){ :|:& };:

Fork bomb. Internet is a dangerous place, be on a lookout kids!

It is essentially rm -rf.

It's very much not. It's an anonymous function, which keeps spawning new processes in background which will lead to a system crash once your system cannot handle all those processes

Porlam

Microsoft created sudo repo on github
https://github.com/microsoft/sudo

Levi

@qbit15 said:

@Levi said:

@qbit15 said:

@Levi said:
sudo :(){ :|:& };:

Fork bomb. Internet is a dangerous place, be on a lookout kids!

It is essentially rm -rf.

It's very much not. It's an anonymous function, which keeps spawning new processes in background which will lead to a system crash once your system cannot handle all those processes

Have you tested it?

totally_not_banned

@qbit15 said:
In case people didn't know, sudo is being maintained by only one dude[1]. Currently, he has no sponsors to support sudo

1. https://github.com/sudo-project/sudo/graphs/contributors

Well, it's not like it's a super complicated program and i somewhat doubt it needing a lot of maintenance. If he's in need of money the best option would likely be contacting Canonical as A] without them hardly anyone would know sudo and B] 90% of their users would be unable to administrate their computers if sudo suddenly disappeared.

boot

Microsoft has already ruined sudo, so I will have to switch to doas.

kevinds

@boot said:
Microsoft has already ruined sudo, so I will have to switch to doas.

It will be interesting to see the implementation though..

Would be nice to have an easier way to access the "SYSTEM" account..

raindog308

Obviously, everything about permissions and the command line experience is different between Windows and Linux. This project is not a fork of the Linux sudo project, nor is it a port of the Linux sudo project. Instead, Sudo for Windows is a Windows-specific implementation of the sudo concept.

Weird to take a name from a completely different operating system. Why not call it transuac or something...

ItsThatGuy

I think borrowing the sudo name makes sense. Everyone already associates it with root/elevated permissions even if they use it wrong.

darkimmortal

@totally_not_banned said:
sudo is pretty much a synonym for retardation so it kind of fits. I wonder if there is even 1% of sudo users that use it for it's intented purpose and not just as a poor su replacement.

Agreed, plus most of its uses can be replaced with su, runuser and auditd. The only unique+useful feature I’m aware of is nopasswd whitelisting commands

I keep it uninstalled on all my systems and don’t miss it except for the annoyance of editing it out of copy+pasted commands

0xC7

I wonder if its sudo propagate by Active Directory Domain Services giving another headache for IT admin

Erisa

@darkimmortal said:

@totally_not_banned said:
sudo is pretty much a synonym for retardation so it kind of fits. I wonder if there is even 1% of sudo users that use it for it's intented purpose and not just as a poor su replacement.

Agreed, plus most of its uses can be replaced with su, runuser and auditd. The only unique+useful feature I’m aware of is nopasswd whitelisting commands

I keep it uninstalled on all my systems and don’t miss it except for the annoyance of editing it out of copy+pasted commands

I wonder if you could replace sudo with a basic alias or shell script which shims the behaviour expected by other scripts by replacing it with other equivalent commands? Or if you were running this commands as root anyway, an even more basic shim that just runs the command as-is.

raindog308

@Erisa said: I wonder if you could replace sudo with a basic alias or shell script which shims the behaviour expected by other scripts by replacing it with other equivalent commands? Or if you were running this commands as root anyway, an even more basic shim that just runs the command as-is.

Something like this:

alias sudo='/usr/bin/true && '

Since true(1) always succeeds and does nothing, this alias is essentially a NOP.

0xC7

raindog308 said: Something like this:

yes, something I have put on .bashrc of non-technical co-worker too
alias sudo='/usr/bin/true && '
alias su='/usr/bin/true && '
and when he should run script (installer) or command ... modified to full_path of su/sudo like
/usr/bin/sudo script.sh
$(which sudo) script.sh