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CentOS 7 EOL soon: how are you getting ready?

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  • trungkientrungkien Member
    edited February 2024

    @emgh said:

    @Xedon said:

    @emgh said:

    @Xedon said:
    What speaks against it?

    That you can’t use 17, 18, or 19.

    :D
    I think 16 is enough for most people.

    I mean you can use for example Almalinux, Rockylinux or even Ubuntu Server for the standard stuff and RHEL only for the important stuff.

    It's about the principle. Debian has been just as stable for me.

    https://www.debian.org/intro/free

    Exactly my principle: 'Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.' I won't give Red Hat a slim chance to screw me up one more time.
    Who knows if they are not going to pull the trigger when enough people use the "free" Red Hat Developer Subscription.

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  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Veteran

    @emgh said: @raindog308 I’m not sure FreeBSD is what I need, because, ultimately, I need my stack of applications to run on my OS.

    Not saying that like some edgy comeback, I just do. In my view, my primary goal are my applications, and my OS is a way to accomplish said programs. Not really the other way around.

    Totally understand.

    I'm really not sure what FreeBSD's place in the market is these days.

    NetBSD is what you want if you're trying to run *nix on some obscure architecture like Amiga, HP 9000, Apple 68000, or a Sun 2. That makes sense because realistically you have no other choice for a modern (ish) *nix on those platforms.

    OpenBSD is what you want if you're really into security. There are certainly debates over the actual security benefits, if their approach is the right one compared to MAC Linux systems, if you can live with the tradeoffs (for example, no bluetooth), but at least they have a position in the market.

    FreeBSD, though? They're a *nix that runs on x86 and arm (and a few others that are fading in the market) where everything is similar to the dominant *nix platform (Linux) but different enough to require learning. At some point there were performance advantages in some scenarios but I think that day has passed. Otherwise...?

    I suppose the licensing is easier if you want to use it for something you're reselling.

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  • edited February 2024

    @raindog308 said:
    NetBSD is what you want if you're trying to run *nix on some obscure architecture like Amiga, HP 9000, Apple 68000, or a Sun 2. That makes sense because realistically you have no other choice for a modern (ish) *nix on those platforms.

    While that's obviously their major selling point i wouldn't reduce NetBSD to just that. It's actually a pretty nice system that when compared to FreeBSD shines by basic simplicity. Also the community is massively nice. Not implying FreeBSD's community wasn't but NetBSD still easily beats them in my opinion.

    FreeBSD, though? They're a *nix that runs on x86 and arm (and a few others that are fading in the market) where everything is similar to the dominant *nix platform (Linux) but different enough to require learning. At some point there were performance advantages in some scenarios but I think that day has passed. Otherwise...?

    Well, the days of FreeBSD running circles around Linux might be long gone but when one looks at current benchmarks over at phoronix it's very much standing its ground. Actually one might even say it's beating Linux for various workloads again. If i'm not fully mistaken its ahead in a sizeable majority of benchmarks. Obviously there's not a world in difference but it's usually more than just some rounding error.

    I suppose the licensing is easier if you want to use it for something you're reselling.

    That can be pretty much taken for granted. GPL is nice for users but not so much for developers not necessarily wanting to be reduced to support staff. If BSD would have had the necessary ARM support back then Google wouldn't have chosen the Linux kernel (that's the only thing Linux in Android after all) either but would have gone BSD just like Apple did.

  • im still using Haiku. What year is it again?

  • edited February 2024

    @CheepCluck said:
    im still using Haiku. What year is it again?

    The year of the Plan9 desktop.

  • @raindog308 said:

    I suppose the licensing is easier if you want to use it for something you're reselling.

    Take a look at the "big boys" appliances, like Netscaler, F5, Logpoints or even Netflix OCA's. You will not find any linux there, it's BSD everywhere. Performance and stability may be some of the reasons, but licensing is clearly the big one.
    Any corporation that has put millions into research and development will not throw it all away by even letting it get close to any GPL code.

  • edited February 2024

    @rcy026 said:

    @raindog308 said:

    I suppose the licensing is easier if you want to use it for something you're reselling.

    Take a look at the "big boys" appliances, like Netscaler, F5, Logpoints or even Netflix OCA's. You will not find any linux there, it's BSD everywhere. Performance and stability may be some of the reasons, but licensing is clearly the big one.
    Any corporation that has put millions into research and development will not throw it all away by even letting it get close to any GPL code.

    Yeah, unless you plan on producing a GPL'd project anyways GPL code (even LGPL) tends to become a headache real fast. Even if your use case doesn't really trigger the GPL per se there's way to many corner cases where it's hard to tell or it forces you to arrange your code specifically to avoid triggering GPL clauses. Outside a couple loopholes (like remote execution of non-AGPL code) exploiting code that maybe just touches 3 lines of GPL'd source from a non-support angle is pretty hard.

    While a lot could be said about the sense or non-sense of the idea behind the GPL i've pretty much grown to hate it from a programmers perspective. Not even so much because it hinders exploiting my product but by the sheer amount of time i have to spend on thinking about licensing. When i write code i want to write code and not sit around playing lowend lawyer... and if i feel like donating any of my code to the world for free it's getting a BSD license. I'm not that sadistic after all and if i'm giving it away anyways i seriously couldn't care less what happens to it.

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  • @MrLime said:
    Just moving to Debian. Not a huge deal as we usually run everything as docker containers anyway. Hopefully centminmod has a plan too as I love that.

    Centmin Mod supports AlmaLinux, Rocky Linux, Oracle Linux 8+ https://community.centminmod.com/threads/digitalocean-almalinux-8-centmin-mod-130-00beta01-test-installation.24233/

    Lots of automated testing as well https://community.centminmod.com/threads/automated-testing-almalinux-vs-rocky-linux-vs-oracle-linux.24179/

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