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So that also means you are saying other more recognized providers here are thieves for not refunding crypto payments.
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
I don't see any problem with not refunding and offering credit.
On the other hand, I do see a very serious problem in not refunding the credit if the business ceases.
This seems to me to be open to legal challenge in most countries.
Maybe a review system would work. Someone on Reddit did the same for VPNs, using sentiment score based on a few different factors. But, this again has the disadvantage of not allowing new legit providers any space.
Let's face the facts - Scams will be a reality as long as free will exists.
He also haven't applied for bankruptcy, so his debts were waived
Just stopped operations without any notification.
There are consumer protection laws in the US, need to check.
Again, there are two big differences (as said in one city)
you don't refund just because the customer wanted it back, or you don't refund when you stopped serving on your own initiative.
Either way, scams is bad. What should we do to put tight leash on those pesky scammers?
Suggestions:
Competition as gatekeepers for the newcomers? Why existing providers and not you?
Many now-established providers were a bit sketchy when they first time came here. It's hard to be new in the game and try to do everything perfectly. Especially if you're not so well-versed non native speaker.
At the end of the day, it's still your own responsibility to decide if you will purchase service from someone or not. As an example those two Turkish providers were sketchy from the beginning and we all knew it - people just gambled and tried their luck.
One of them seems like a someone who may survive, the other ... who knows. It doesn't looks good.
Since JB do not assume any liability for those scams, maybe club approach will present some morale here.
Why should he? He does not hold a gun on my head when I purchase service from some sketchy host.
We'll buy this forum out in a 10 year annium plan baby
Show me your piggy belly big boy.
Well, if he do not address scams and they increase, this platform will be deemed as a scammesr cest pist and unsafe place to find a deal.
JB takes money for ads, so he takes liability about what ad content is put on this forum. In Europe such schema would doomed this forum long ago, right after massive exit scam with colonus crossing hosts.
The goal is for the LEB and LET platforms to be scam-free.
That does not mean businesses won't fail, of course they will. That might mean negative outcomes for customers of companies that fail, and that is something I am sensitive to. We want to see those cases minimized.
@raindog308 recently dug into the data to show how rare failures are for hosts featured on LowEndBox. That's a massive improvement vs. 2019 and before (as a reminder, I purchased LowEndBox and LowEndTalk in January 2020.
Check out the @raindog308 data here: https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/3822288/#Comment_3822288
Admin/moderation here at LowEndTalk is made up of a group well intentioned and dedicated people( @hawc / @Jord / @Not_Oles / @MikePT / @netomx / @angstrom / @DP / @Arkas ). No one on the team protects scammers.
It is important to me to keep LowEndTalk a platform that favors free speech and a diversity of ideas. That doesn't mean hosts have permission to abuse our userbase commercially and not deliver on their promises. In cases like that we act.
Well, repuc scam is on-going. He feeds users false promises, outright lies. Zero or "let's wait and see" reaction. No incentive to remove scammer.
My goal is to bang
What do you recommend in that case?
A good buffet
@dahartigan I don't want to sound like a holier than thou but if it raised to 1000 dollars there would be no way for me to pay that kind of money to sell my apps for the peanuts I sell it for. It's a vicious cycle but it's even more vicious for us who are trying to be honest and don't even have the low end market fully - like myself since it's software I am selling
Ban that user. He still sells his scam on the website. Stop this madness. User will sort this out, but the source must be cut swiftly.
This is censoring free speach~! Take their money figure it out later.
As a first step, it would be a good idea to remove the links to order on the provider's thread...
Until the situation is clarified.
This could prove to the community that you're serious about avoiding scams.
Truly a bad suggestion. Almost as bad as the requests to close the thread. Because it's an easy way out and issue tone down quicker. Ban him and he's saved by bell. This just helps scammers to vanish peacefully.
Remove host tag, remove sales links yes. But don't touch threads where people can complain and get some satisfaction answers.
Smart.
Yea, let the scammer talk his way back and scam another round. There is time for writing and there is time for actions. Banned user can be unbaned.
And in repuc case - he does not communicate, only lie and extends time for his scam. Not all users are naive and believe "he made a misstake". No, he scammed.
Enough snowflaking and stockholm syndrome. That's why LET is so attractive for scammers. While politics and chit chat on-going - scammers rake money.
The same crap was with nexusbytes, hostsolution. Even now https://lowendtalk.com/profile/seriesn not banned. How absurd is this? People lost domains, data.
Because the ban really hurt, right? The next scammer will most likely come here just because some "I don't give a shit" @seriesn isn't banned yet. As it really matters ...
You obviously missed the point and responded to me with something completely random and unrelated to the post you're quoting.
Please don't talk just to talk ...
I don't mind preventing future sales. That's okay. Remove the tag, delete sales links. But don't help him to vanish peacefully. Once again - a ban in those cases is just an easy way out. In the same manner as closing the thread. Allow people to demand the answers, allow people to vent.
It is clear text interpretation barrier here. What else you want from user who scammed? Talk with him about his problems? A ban is clear sign that this user is trouble, nothing else and community don't want him around anymore.
Speaking about closing threads by getting "the easy way out":
Mod closed thread and user in question (who didn't refunded his client on deadpool) thanked him! Sweet irony.
The $200 badge is kind of edgy. Some patron providers here have a lorem ipsum in their terms of service, probably they aren't banging a lot on those bucks. Retribution is justice too, and the leviathan feeds on them all. I have no idea what I just said, but I'm entitled to vote.
No, it's not. You're just stubborn.
But that's okay, we both expressed our views.
Exactly! This is what I am saying all the time. Ban and closed threads are just a salvation for the scammer. Things tone down quicker. He can always return with new name and start anew. Keep him around at least for some public lashing and venting. It's forum ffs...
Who?
Masochist question, you wanted it, daddy gives it to you: https://cloudnium.net/
It was a sincere question.
Whats their username on LowEndTalk? Let's get them to fix that.