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How is Netcup so cheap?

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  • @Clouvider said:
    We probably have substantially less markup on this ;-).
    If you like our introductory pricing we would appreciate an order ❤️❤️❤️

    The price difference is daylight robbery!

    Does that also mean that their CPU might be better than yours?

  • ClouviderClouvider Member, Patron Provider

    We use AMD Epyc 7313 I wouldn’t know what’s used at Digital - perhaps Digital Ocean’s Customer can provide a like for like benchmark :-).

  • AdvinAdvin Member, Host Rep
    edited December 2023

    @malcommerlyn said:

    @Clouvider said:
    We probably have substantially less markup on this ;-).
    If you like our introductory pricing we would appreciate an order ❤️❤️❤️

    The price difference is daylight robbery!

    Does that also mean that their CPU might be better than yours?

    The difference usually comes because DigitalOcean has certain features like hourly billing, snapshots, images, floating IP addresses, load balancers, databases, object storage, and more, which is all in one platform. Most providers here are prepaid (i.e. 1 month) and don’t have many of these features.

    If you just need a simple Linux server and don’t need most of the features I’ve listed above (which most here don’t), then pretty much any prepaid provider on LET will beat DigitalOcean pricing.

  • @Advin said:

    @malcommerlyn said:

    @Clouvider said:
    We probably have substantially less markup on this ;-).
    If you like our introductory pricing we would appreciate an order ❤️❤️❤️

    The price difference is daylight robbery!

    Does that also mean that their CPU might be better than yours?

    The difference usually comes because DigitalOcean has certain features like hourly billing, snapshots, images, floating IP addresses, load balancers, databases, object storage, and more, which is all in one platform. Most providers here are prepaid (i.e. 1 month) and don’t have many of these features.

    If you just need a simple Linux server and don’t need most of the features I’ve listed above (which most here don’t), then pretty much any prepaid provider on LET will beat DigitalOcean pricing.

    DigitalOcean is less likely to deadpool and doesn't have minimum IQ requirements for customers. There's definitely some benefits depending on the use case.

    Thanked by 1techdragon
  • Heres a Geekbench of the DO server mentioned by @malcommerlyn

    Geekbench 6 Benchmark Test:

    Test | Value
    |
    Single Core | 629
    Multi Core | 1960
    Full Test | https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/4030195

    Thanked by 1malcommerlyn
  • ClouviderClouvider Member, Patron Provider

    @Razza said:
    Heres a Geekbench of the DO server mentioned by @malcommerlyn

    Geekbench 6 Benchmark Test:

    Test | Value
    |
    Single Core | 629
    Multi Core | 1960
    Full Test | https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/4030195

    Thanks @Razza !

    Below is the 8 GB package in our New York AMD Epyc Zone @malcommerlyn compared:

    Geekbench 6 Benchmark Test:
    ---------------------------------
    Test            | Value                         
                    |                               
    Single Core     | 1723                          
    Multi Core      | 5193                          
    Full Test       | https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/4030829
    
    Thanked by 2Razza malcommerlyn
  • @Clouvider said: Below is the 8 GB package in our New York AMD Epyc Zone @malcommerlyn compared:

    Dam that some fast cpu, the pricing of VM plans look good if that the level of CPU performance I would consider the VPS.4 plan too bad free DA license isn't a thing nowadays, so will just keep my InceptionHosting E-2278G based VM it got sometime ago with a free DA license.

  • I would be really surprised if Digital Ocean is still in business on Jan 1, 2025
    — one year from now —

  • @dev_vps said:
    I would be really surprised if Digital Ocean is still in business on Jan 1, 2025
    — one year from now —

    Is that supposed to be a joke?

  • @josephf said:

    @dev_vps said:
    I would be really surprised if Digital Ocean is still in business on Jan 1, 2025
    — one year from now —

    Is that supposed to be a joke?

    No, just my opinion based on how that company has been doing in recent times.

  • @dev_vps said:

    @josephf said:

    @dev_vps said:
    I would be really surprised if Digital Ocean is still in business on Jan 1, 2025
    — one year from now —

    Is that supposed to be a joke?

    No, just my opinion based on how that company has been doing in recent times.

    In what ways has DO been doing so negatively in recent times?

  • Daniel15Daniel15 Veteran
    edited December 2023

    @malcommerlyn said: My question is, how is Netcup able to offer such cheap pricing, even lower than Hetzner?

    Here are the specifications I received.
    AMD EPYC™ 7702 (max. 3.35 GHz per core)
    8GB DDR4
    160 GB SSD
    ...
    for €11.76

    I've got some with GreenCloudVPS that are cheaper, albeit with less disk space. For example:

    • AMD EPYC 7763, 16GB RAM, 80GB NVMe 4.0 RAID10, for $125/3 years (~$41.67/year, ~$3.47/month).
    • AMD EPYC 7513, 10GB RAM, 100GB NVMe, for $100/3 years (~$33.33/year, ~$2.77/month)

    And a few with HostHatch, e.g.

    • AMD EPYC 7443P, 16GB RAM, 120GB NVMe, for $230/3 years (~$76.67/year, ~$6.38/month)

    For not much more than that Netcup one ($550/3 years, ~$183.33/year, $15.27/month), I picked up a new one with HostHatch during Black Friday sales with 48GB RAM and 525GB NVMe that I'm going to consolidate some of my smaller ones onto.

    Thanked by 1malcommerlyn
  • @dev_vps said:

    @malcommerlyn said:
    @Clouvider,

    How is this possible mate? Both from NY

    VPS from Clouvider
    $12.15 per month
    4 vCore / 8 GB / 160 GB / NYC

    VPS from DigitalOcean
    $48 per month
    4 vCore / 8 GB / 160 GB / NYC

    +1 for @Clouvider
    VPS with excellent performance and network connectivity

    The big providers like DigitalOcean, Linode, Vultr, etc spend more on advertising, have more staff, more offices, higher profit margins, etc than the smaller providers. DigitalOcean in particular is a publicly traded company (so they have to show revenue growth year-over-year) and spend money on things like billboard ads and TV ads.

  • @darkimmortal said:
    IO is the corner they cut - thin provisioning + CoW across the board. Throughput (YABS) looks good but the tail latency, especially measured over a day or two, is worse than HDD and by far the worst of any VPS I have ever used

    If your use case can handle Netcup, consider https://www.prometeus.net/billing/cart.php?gid=111 instead

    were you using shared vps or rootservers on netcup?

  • @newvps123 said:

    @darkimmortal said:
    IO is the corner they cut - thin provisioning + CoW across the board. Throughput (YABS) looks good but the tail latency, especially measured over a day or two, is worse than HDD and by far the worst of any VPS I have ever used

    If your use case can handle Netcup, consider https://www.prometeus.net/billing/cart.php?gid=111 instead

    were you using shared vps or rootservers on netcup?

    The latter

  • @JosephF said:

    @dev_vps said:

    @josephf said:

    @dev_vps said:
    I would be really surprised if Digital Ocean is still in business on Jan 1, 2025
    — one year from now —

    Is that supposed to be a joke?

    No, just my opinion based on how that company has been doing in recent times.

    In what ways has DO been doing so negatively in recent times?

    They are $1.6bn in debt when other big clouds (not that all of the big ones haven't been debt financed) are starting to become profitable.

    Their ARR is significantly less than many others such as Google who hit $10bn.

    They are limited in locations.

    They have lost market share to competitors.

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