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  • emghemgh Member, Megathread Squad
    edited October 2023

    @tomle said:

    @emgh said:
    To be clear, the US can obviously put enourmous pressure on Sweden, no doubt about it, but it dosen’t work in the way that popular culture likes to think

    Well, it's proven that the US put a lot of pressure on Sweden to create laws to make piracy illegal. So while I agree that they don't interfere with judges or the juridical system, they influence the laws in a way that make certain actions illegal.
    Sources:
    https://www.svd.se/a/28aaef0f-a049-39b3-b2ac-06f69dce7690/usas-regering-samarbetar-med-filmindustrin
    https://computersweden.idg.se/2.2683/1.48487/hot-om-sanktioner-fore-polisens-piratrazzia

    Yep, that was exactly what I meant so I 100 % agree with you

    The US has enourmous influence over Sweden, it’s just not like in a movie like some people think where somebody calls someone and boom a man’s in jail for life

    But also, that’s how good relations work. Both countries don’t want to jeopardize them and so they have influence over each other. Just look at how much the US works to make Turkey let Sweden into NATO

    (Obviously I’m aware that the US has more influence over Sweden compared to the other way around.)

  • @jenkki said:

    Real democracy is when you decide what to do for you and not a superior uncle for you.

    No, that's anarchy, totally different thing.

    Democracy is when the people elect the government. It does not mean that every single individual gets exactly what they want, it means that the majority of individuals gets to say who should be in charge.
    Or that's the idea anyway, some countries like USA even manages to fuck that part up. And actually Sweden too.

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  • MateyoMateyo Member
    edited October 2023

    @rcy026 said:

    @jenkki said:

    Real democracy is when you decide what to do for you and not a superior uncle for you.

    No, that's anarchy, totally different thing.

    Democracy is when the people elect the government. It does not mean that every single individual gets exactly what they want, it means that the majority of individuals gets to say who should be in charge.

    That is not the definition of a democracy, it is the definition of a representative democracy. However the 365 days lobbying by corporations, their donations to political parties and the revolving doors, while most citizens political activity is just voting every four or so years, sounds quite a lot to me like the Corporatocracy concept.

  • @Mateyo said: just voting every four or so years

    That's what it's all about, getting voted out and getting you a high paying job for four years. They make a lot of promises, but nobody usually fulfills them in the end.

  • @Mateyo said:

    @rcy026 said:

    @jenkki said:

    Real democracy is when you decide what to do for you and not a superior uncle for you.

    No, that's anarchy, totally different thing.

    Democracy is when the people elect the government. It does not mean that every single individual gets exactly what they want, it means that the majority of individuals gets to say who should be in charge.

    That is not the definition of a democracy, it is the definition of a representative democracy. However the 365 days lobbying by corporations, their donations to political parties and the revolving doors, while most citizens political activity is just voting every four or so years, sounds quite a lot to me like the Corporatocracy concept.

    Sounds like you are talking about the US, and as I said (which you choose to remove when quoting me) the US has failed when it comes to democracy.

    When talking about democracy it is usually assumed that most people mean representative democracy, since direct democracy is almost nonexistent. Direct democracy is basically just a theory, with the possible exception of some part of Swiss politics and if I remember correctly one or two states in the US that uses it for some local laws or something.

    Whatever definition of democracy you are talking about, it still does not allow every individual to decide their own rules.

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  • Sounds like you are talking about the US, and as I said (which you choose to remove when quoting me) the US has failed when it comes to democracy.

    When talking about democracy it is usually assumed that most people mean representative democracy, since direct democracy is almost nonexistent. Direct democracy is basically just a theory, with the possible exception of some part of Swiss politics and if I remember correctly one or two states in the US that uses it for some local laws or something.

    Whatever definition of democracy you are talking about, it still does not allow every individual to decide their own rules.

    I was not talking specifically about the US although the US is probably the most clear example of what I described.

    I of course agree with democracy not allowing every individual to decide their own rules.

  • There were Demos and there were Ochlos. Demos are those who could elect the authorities and Ochlos are those who did not have the right to vote. It's simple. Democracy is the power of those who consider themselves superior to others. That's what we see.

  • @jenkki said:
    There were Demos and there were Ochlos. Demos are those who could elect the authorities and Ochlos are those who did not have the right to vote. It's simple. Democracy is the power of those who consider themselves superior to others. That's what we see.

    So in what country that is considered a democracy are there people that are not allowed to vote?

  • @rcy026 said: So in what country that is considered a democracy are there people that are not allowed to vote?

    It was in ancient Rome. That's where the terminology came from.

  • rcy026rcy026 Member
    edited October 2023

    @jenkki said:

    @rcy026 said: So in what country that is considered a democracy are there people that are not allowed to vote?

    It was in ancient Rome. That's where the terminology came from.

    So what did you mean by "that's what we see"?

    And no, the word democracy comes from Greece, not Rome. Demos means citizen and kratos means power. Democracy originated in Athens, not Rome. They used it in Rome too but their way of implementing it failed miserably.

    And sorry for the wildly off topic turn here, we should leave the politics to other threads.

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