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1000 IQ move by Rocky Linux
https://rockylinux.org/news/keeping-open-source-open/
this is just too funny
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I'm not sure why you find it "just too funny" (but perhaps this is due to an age/cultural difference)
Honestly, it seems like the people behind Rocky Linux have given a lot of thought to the new situation and to how they could continue to produce Rocky Linux under the new regimen. It's thoughtful statement of how they plan to proceed in the immediate future
the pulled big brain and they now use cloud images of rhel to get packages, and as its protected by gpl, red hat cant do shit.
its funny as in its a very dumb way to do it, but it is very effective
I would call it a clever workaround for an unfortunate necessity imposed on them
Up next, Red Hat will shut down source code download servers.
You can exercise your GPL rights to source code by ordering CD-ROMs, which will be mailed after a reasonable fee.
The fee cannot be excessive so it's $7/CD, but processing time is same as current wait time at IRS / USCIS.
When Rocky gets the source code, it's many months old.
Perhaps this is a dumb question, but why do they actually need the source code? They could just pull the pre-compiled packages, remove any references to RedHat and rebundle them in their own distribution?
I call it "literally the first thing everyone think of"
I suspect that at least some of the RHEL references are pretty "deep" (at the level of compile-time options)
In general, though, you have very little control over something that you consider/call your Linux distribution if you're just redistributing binary packages from another Linux distribution
Not to mention that I suspect that RHEL would have legitimate legal grounds for complaint if someone were simply taking their binary packages and redistributing them under another distribution name
You know, good ideas often seem obvious in retrospect, but this doesn't mean that they were always obvious at the time
This move from Rocky is really smart. I like their passion and commitment.
I applaud their efforts. I hope that they can keep going as I think having a truly open branch of RHEL helps them ultimately.
I think Red Hat are bring short-sighted
Just create enough value for big corperations to choose to pay (which I’ve heard that they do)
And be glad a free version is easily avaliable for those who might end up working for the same companies in the future
It’s not unresonable that if Debian/Ubuntu becomes much more easily accessible, people that end up as System Administrators at big companies in 5-10 years will internally vounch for what they’re comfortable with and the rest slowly goes away
There’s a reason why Adobe products are super simple to crack
And there’s also a reason why Jetbrains give away all their software for free for as long as you’re a student
Tl;dr: When you’ve been at the top for too long it may seem impossible to fall, but that’s also when you go down, and Red Hat should learn the Day 1 concept
https://aws.amazon.com/executive-insights/content/how-amazon-defines-and-operationalizes-a-day-1-culture/
Edit:
On threads here now it seems that the vast majority run Debian, or at least one out of Debian or Ubuntu
In 2015/2016 I always ran CentOS and I recall CentOS being mentioned here a lot more than Stream/Rocky/Alma are being mentioned here today, that says something
Also, this is clearly a generational thing
@angstrom has a brain developed before Vine & TikTok. When @angstrom hear or say something; it usually means what it/he says
@Otus9051 has a brain developed during Vine & TikTok. When @Otus9051 hear or say something; it’s usually wrapped in so many layers of sarcasm & shit that you have to have a similarely wired brain to understand
I’m in the middle so I can translate
”its funny as in its a very dumb way to do it, but it is very effective”
Would be:
”It’s remarkable really how the maintainers of large Linux distros have to resort to extracting what they need, not from Red Hat itself, but rather from Cloud and Docker Images.”
You’re all welcome also Debian thx
All this time, my main reason for switching out of CENTOS was Rocky Linux - it just sounds like the hardest linux to have to deal with (pun intended). But it seems they're smart from reading the post and I'm actually tempted now to spin up Rocky Linux on a few of my idling army.
All this drama is reinforcing that I made the right choice switching to Debian all those years ago.
Same here. When I started toying around with server linux distros it came down to CentOS and Debian. Since I had already some experience using Ubuntu I picked Debian and continued.
Never been an enthusiast of centos or rhel...
Since having learned to manage linux/server/vps, only a few times did i install centos...still that didnt last long until switched to debian...
All my servers are mostly always with debian...
sometimes ubuntu due to certains apps were already build for ubuntu...(not gonna build it myself on those tiny server)
Question - might be dumb - should I switch from Ubuntu to Debian? I only use Ubuntu because I thought it was backed by a profitable company (canonical?)
Windows FTW
debian thx
This might be a dumb question... but has anyone thought to create an Enterprise level Linux distribution based on Debian/Ubuntu?
Why does everything Enterprise level have to be Redhat based?
Well, Ubuntu Pro is by any current measure an enterprise Linux distribution
There's no necessity of this kind here
But there's a whole history going back to the mid-1990s that has made RHEL the reference enterprise Linux distribution in practice
Real companies run arch for production.
And in parallel a reputation for enterprise level support. A comfort blanket for many large businesses, which isn't perceived with other distros.
It basically comes down to:
Do you love or hate snap?
Do you love or hate netplan?
Hate.
I delete snapd on Ubuntu.
Love.
I install netplan on Debian.
I don't know real or anything but many time i have discussion with sysadmins they always advise/choose to go with RHEL for any production server, in there wording "because it's specifically customized for business use, is very well tested to assure its stability, has first-rate security installed out of the box, and has excellent support available from Red Hat. They don’t call it “Enterprise Linux” for nothing."
So most of the time we use Debian/Ubuntu or Rockey but again for production always REHL > Ubuntu Pro.
I tried for two days to get Virtfusion to play nice with Ubuntu & Netplan. I gave up. Didn’t understand shit.
Tried the same with Debian, 10-15 minutes and done.
Conclusion: I’m too stupid to use Ubuntu so I use Debian