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  • Leaseweb increased their prices again with their "yearly maximal price increment". They changed the terms a few years ago so they could do this. Ever since they did it. My service I've got running since 2014 or 2015 is almost cheaper if I'd re-order it from their standard website, and I initially had a 40% off-coupon >:(

  • MikePTMikePT Moderator, Patron Provider, Veteran
    edited August 2022

    @default said:
    Are you thinking about increasing your prices?

    @servarica_hani @hosthatch @VirMach @Francisco @terrahost @perennate @jar @MikePT @Abd @dustinc @FlorinMarian

    [trying to find some opinions]

    Nah.
    We're not. I do the best I can to avoid that. We've only increased pricing for server management services (ad-hoc) and server management plans (monthly), and that's not at all related to power prices.

  • DataIdeas-JoshDataIdeas-Josh Member, Patron Provider

    @atomi said:
    Sad thing about this is that they wont decrease prices if/when the price of electricity goes down

    Ha, and you think they will go down.
    Na, these high rates are here to stay.

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  • dustincdustinc Member, Patron Provider, Top Host
    edited August 2022

    @default said:
    Are you thinking about increasing your prices?

    @servarica_hani @hosthatch @VirMach @Francisco @terrahost @perennate @jar @MikePT @Abd @dustinc @FlorinMarian

    [trying to find some opinions]

    Appreciate you tagging us @default -- the good news is that we have no intention to raise our pricing. We have never raised our pricing on existing customers service's and our intention is to continue this model the same way we have for the past few years and counting.

    We understand that cPanel/WHM along with various other reasons can adjust our pricing, and our approach to such situations has been always been straight forward (absorb the difference) and design new plans/promotions going forward. We have yet to ever increase customer pricing and instead, we adapt and design our new plans/promotions accordingly (and expire older promotions if and as needed). Overall, we strive to deliver the most competitive pricing and value possible :)

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  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    @default said:
    Are you thinking about increasing your prices?

    @servarica_hani @hosthatch @VirMach @Francisco @terrahost @perennate @jar @MikePT @Abd @dustinc @FlorinMarian

    [trying to find some opinions]

    I have no intention to hike rates. We hate doing it and have only ever done it because of cPanel.

    As of right now our cPanel per account price is high enough that we're good for quite some time, assuming cPanel doesn't jack rates to $0.50/acc/m+.

    Francisco

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  • When are we going to see price increase for the Kimsufi KS-1 servers. Do they even make profit on them or they don't consume alot of power?

  • servarica_haniservarica_hani Member, Patron Provider

    @default said:
    Are you thinking about increasing your prices?

    @servarica_hani @hosthatch @VirMach @Francisco @terrahost @perennate @jar @MikePT @Abd @dustinc @FlorinMarian

    [trying to find some opinions]

    No we don't have plans to increase pricing
    Actually we have never increased the price on existing customers from the day we started

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  • desperanddesperand Member
    edited August 2022

    Why electricity prices increased in EU? As far as I know there are many nuclear power plants over EU, with high capacity.

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    @desperand said:
    Why electricity prices increased in EU? As far as I know there are many nuclear power plants over EU, with high capacity.

    They're shutting them down and are heavily reliant on Russia. Russia's giving them the ol' squeeze by cutting supply/etc.

    The EU did it in the biggest case of NIMBYism i've ever seen. The pollution/etc is still happening, just instead of you having the ability to do it better/cleaner, you're transporting it from a country that doesn't give a single fuck.

    Francisco

  • LeviLevi Member

    How many of you think that when electricity price eventually go down, service prices also go down? :) Zero, null, nada.

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  • FlorinMarianFlorinMarian Member, Host Rep

    @default said:
    Are you thinking about increasing your prices?

    @servarica_hani @hosthatch @VirMach @Francisco @terrahost @perennate @jar @MikePT @Abd @dustinc @FlorinMarian

    [trying to find some opinions]

    Hello!
    No, we are not planning any price increase, the only change from last year to this year is the disappearance of VPS at 6 or 12 euros per year.
    Although we wanted to amortize our investments faster, in reality we ended up getting rid of abusers. If initially when we sold NAT for 6 euros/year we had somewhere around 20 abuses/month, now we have at most one abuse per month.

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  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran

    @LTniger said:
    How many of you think that when electricity price eventually go down, service prices also go down? :) Zero, null, nada.

    What'll happen is the providers will put out 'new' plans that are a bit cheaper, but not lowering current plans.

    Only way for people to get those plans are to migrate & cancel.

    Questions for those in the know. What's the current outlook on this? If the war stopped tomorrow, would the energy crisis end or were things going mental before the sanctions?

    Francisco

  • LeviLevi Member
    edited August 2022

    The war may stop tomorrow, but the politics will continue. Current crysis is because of putins gas game on the europe. Particularly on Germany. That inflates prices to the sky. Currently I have to pay 0,51€/kW.

    The funny thing is, that people have a ton of free money to spend. Like bounce from covid lockdown. Current predictions that electricity price will begin to move down in 2024 Q4 / 2025 Q1.

  • Dataideas ( @DataIdeas-Josh ) is increasing their prices. They did give an email well in advance, but didn't really state how much of an increase.

    My small VPS price just increased 10x (from $3 to $30). The service has been great, but for that price I'll move on. I realize they have to increase prices to stay in business, it's just a little too much of an increase for me.

    Thanks for the years of great service!

  • PulsedMediaPulsedMedia Member, Patron Provider

    @terrahost said:

    @default said:
    Are you thinking about increasing your prices?
    [trying to find some opinions]

    We just increased by 10% on July 1st. Have not planned anything else at the moment.

    Our electricity cost in our Norway datacenter June 21 vs June 22 is at a 500% increase.. But we are doing okay right now but its really eating into our profits for sure, even with the 10% increase.

    Roughly the same situation here for us, within margin of error.
    Low end hurts the most since that's most price sensitive to electricity -> Old power hungry servers, with less potential for monthly revenue.

    It'll take a while to reorganize everything.

    @JasperNL said:
    Leaseweb increased their prices again with their "yearly maximal price increment". They changed the terms a few years ago so they could do this. Ever since they did it. My service I've got running since 2014 or 2015 is almost cheaper if I'd re-order it from their standard website, and I initially had a 40% off-coupon >:(

    Interesting, they really do annual price increases these days? :O
    I've noticed that over the years some of our OVH stuff (we have a few VMs, couple dedis there still to date) seems to have increased in cost silently, with no notification. Small enough that have not bothered to find 6 year old invoices to confirm this, but just this month i noticed that one dedi we've either offered for customer about 6-7 years at a loss, or OVH increased prices (technically a profit, but take Paypal TRX Fees and others and it's a loss). Should double check, but not meaningful numbers for us so haven't been that important.

    @DataIdeas-Josh said: Na, these high rates are here to stay.

    Indeed, govts will never allow deflation to occur long term. That would be "anti-tax", where as inflation is actually a form of taxing everything, including wealth.

    @msallak1 said: When are we going to see price increase for the Kimsufi KS-1 servers. Do they even make profit on them or they don't consume alot of power?

    I think they are loss leader products meant to get people in, and afaik thus they are almost always out of stock for the same reason too. People keep checking the site, and when they get impatient will just take a bit more expensive one.

    @LTniger said: Current crysis is because of putins gas game on the europe. Particularly on Germany.

    Everyone blames Putin on this, but no, this is not Putin's fault. It's our own damn fault, well, actually Germany's fault for giving Putin this power, and going full woke.

    Energy forms are being destroyed left and right, energy independence too. It's like they planned to get a energy crisis.

    Perfectly good coal plants have been demolished at mad rate here in Finland over the past few years, meanwhile they banned turf as "non-renewable" as energy form (technically not banned, just taxed to unprofitable level) -- our turf renews at such a rate they would provide energy for the whole of energy. Now EU decided trees do not grow either, so trees are not renewable either.
    So for example wood chips gets important to Finland from Brazil now ... The land of green gold, where like 80% of land area is forests apparently is "barren and tree free" according to Eco terrorists and the govt ...

    Putin is just the tip of the iceberg and highlights the moronic ecoterrorism movement (green party)

    It will take more than a decade to repair the damage these commies (socialistic parties) and ecoterrorists (green party) has caused in the past decade.

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  • DataIdeas-JoshDataIdeas-Josh Member, Patron Provider

    @kendid said:
    Dataideas ( @DataIdeas-Josh ) is increasing their prices. They did give an email well in advance, but didn't really state how much of an increase.

    My small VPS price just increased 10x (from $3 to $30). The service has been great, but for that price I'll move on. I realize they have to increase prices to stay in business, it's just a little too much of an increase for me.

    Thanks for the years of great service!

    You do realize that it didn't increase 10x... You are just now paying normal pricing and were on a special.

  • ShakibShakib Member, Patron Provider

    No changes for our clients.

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  • @DataIdeas-Josh said:

    @kendid said:
    Dataideas ( @DataIdeas-Josh ) is increasing their prices. They did give an email well in advance, but didn't really state how much of an increase.

    My small VPS price just increased 10x (from $3 to $30). The service has been great, but for that price I'll move on. I realize they have to increase prices to stay in business, it's just a little too much of an increase for me.

    Thanks for the years of great service!

    You do realize that it didn't increase 10x... You are just now paying normal pricing and were on a special.

    A recurring special - I'm not bitter - I've enjoyed the service! I realize you have cost increases, but a 1000% increase for the same service, for me personally, is a bit much (IMHO). I don't want to see any of our providers go under, so I completely understand if promotions were given that are unsustainable.

  • @desperand said:
    Why electricity prices increased in EU? As far as I know there are many nuclear power plants over EU, with high capacity.

    Not really. Finland are building new nuclear, but a lot of countries such as Germany and Sweden are shutting them down, France cant seem to keep theirs running and the eastern European ones are sketchy as fuck. The leftwing greens have had way to much influence the last decades or so in Europe and now we are dealing with the aftermath of that with crippled nuclear shutting down everywhere and we have nothing to replace it with.
    Russia shutting down the gas and starting a war did not make the situation better, and since the entire european powergrid is locked into some kind of import/export agreement that is the biggest clusterfuck the world has ever seen, this is what we get.

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  • @DataIdeas-Josh said:

    @kendid said:
    Dataideas ( @DataIdeas-Josh ) is increasing their prices. They did give an email well in advance, but didn't really state how much of an increase.

    My small VPS price just increased 10x (from $3 to $30). The service has been great, but for that price I'll move on. I realize they have to increase prices to stay in business, it's just a little too much of an increase for me.

    Thanks for the years of great service!

    You do realize that it didn't increase 10x... You are just now paying normal pricing and were on a special.

    Not that I know your product line, but $30 sounds like a lot for a "small VPS". Even yearly, I have quite a few VPS's that cost much less than that.

  • @ralf said:

    @DataIdeas-Josh said:

    @kendid said:
    Dataideas ( @DataIdeas-Josh ) is increasing their prices. They did give an email well in advance, but didn't really state how much of an increase.

    My small VPS price just increased 10x (from $3 to $30). The service has been great, but for that price I'll move on. I realize they have to increase prices to stay in business, it's just a little too much of an increase for me.

    Thanks for the years of great service!

    You do realize that it didn't increase 10x... You are just now paying normal pricing and were on a special.

    Not that I know your product line, but $30 sounds like a lot for a "small VPS". Even yearly, I have quite a few VPS's that cost much less than that.

    In their defense, although it seems the resources are low for the price - they certainly aren't oversold like some of my cheaper vps services. I've been extremely happy with them. But yes, for that price there are certainly other options available.

  • jiggawattjiggawatt Member
    edited October 2022

    @Francisco said: Questions for those in the know. What's the current outlook on this? If the war stopped tomorrow, would the energy crisis end or were things going mental before the sanctions?

    Even before the war started, countries like Poland and Lithuania were looking at LNG and investing in terminals capable of accepting these imports. This will probably increase now that Russia is clearly not a reliable energy supplier, but this requires a lot of infrastructure and will take some time.

    Poland, Baltic countries, Sweden and much of southeastern Europe actually have a lot of shale resources but it is not considered economically viable with Brent < $120 or so. That number could change with the right investment in infrastructure and technology.

    This isn't really about NIMBYism, it's just that continental Europe is not abundant in viable natural resources. Gas and crude flow from Russia, but it gets burned in the EU. Germany rejected nuclear power, but they did it for sound reasons despite the serious economic consequences now.

    Poland is bringing more nuclear power online soon, and of course Belarus has significant excess capacity at Astravets NPP which could supply former CIS countries which still use the old Soviet power grid if there is political tolerance. The war might rage on for awhile, but Europe just needs to make prudent decisions with regards to energy.

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  • nessanessa Member, Patron Provider
    edited October 2022

    We had to do price increases as well. Everything (colo, license fees, server costs, bandwidth) has gone up for us. We absorbed the costs for a while but it started to become too much to effectively support the brand.

  • jiggawattjiggawatt Member
    edited October 2022

    @PulsedMedia said:

    Indeed, govts will never allow deflation to occur long term. That would be "anti-tax", where as inflation is actually a form of taxing everything, including wealth.

    Persistent deflation is worse for an economy than high inflation. It kills investment because it is better to keep cash and decreases consumption because you know you can get it cheaper tomorrow. The ideal is low inflation i.e. 1-2% and of course salaries which rise higher because of increased productivity.

  • rustelekomrustelekom Member, Patron Provider

    @Francisco said:

    @desperand said:
    Why electricity prices increased in EU? As far as I know there are many nuclear power plants over EU, with high capacity.

    They're shutting them down and are heavily reliant on Russia. Russia's giving them the ol' squeeze by cutting supply/etc.

    The EU did it in the biggest case of NIMBYism i've ever seen. The pollution/etc is still happening, just instead of you having the ability to do it better/cleaner, you're transporting it from a country that doesn't give a single fuck.

    Francisco

    The EU bureaucracy is just crazy people, just like their politics. A few years ago, they set a goal to switch to green energy and closed many nuclear power plants, replaced long-term oil and gas contracts with Russia with spot contracts, and this increased the cost of resources. This happened before 2022.

    When the EU imposes a lot of sanctions against Russia and starts an economic war against Russia, it certainly increases the cost of everything, because Russia and the EU have established many economic ties, and they are all now disconnected by the EU.

    Now the EU is trying to shift all its own stupid mistakes with the implementation of green energy to Russia.

    Just forget about Russia and see what your local politicians and bureaucracy have done to make ordinary people happy, and try to make the best choice in the future.

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  • @rustelekom said:

    The EU bureaucracy is just crazy people, just like their politics. A few years ago, they set a goal to switch to green energy and closed many nuclear power plants,

    No, they set a goal to increase renewables which is sensible. EU doesn't have a position on nuclear. Germany decided to close nuclear power plants after Fukushima (and this was a democratic decision against what Chancellor Merkel wanted) but other EU states are building them.

    replaced long-term oil and gas contracts with Russia with spot contracts, and this increased the cost of resources. This happened before 2022.

    No, they were overpaying while tied to long-term contracts. For example, Poland signed 15-year deals with Russian energy companies for gas and they were grossly overpaying after 2014. Spot prices make sense, and now it is obvious that EU countries need to stop buying from RU altogether.

    When the EU imposes a lot of sanctions against Russia and starts an economic war against Russia, it certainly increases the cost of everything, because Russia and the EU have established many economic ties, and they are all now disconnected by the EU.

    No, EU just needs to invest in LNG terminals and nuclear power. Nuclear is green energy, by the way, as it emits the same amount of carbon as wind and spent nuclear fuel is recyclable.

    Problem is that it is not so good when there are terrible accidents, as might be the case very soon near Zaporizhzhia. Germans care about the health of their own people in their densely populated country, whereas Russians have 30% of the world's natural resources, still run an asbestos industry and probably go blind or die from alcoholism before any other health problems matter.

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  • SetsuraSetsura Member
    edited October 2022

    Scaleway/online soon apparently, might be time to get rid of a few servers with them that I don't use much.

    Dear customers,

    Like many companies, rising energy costs are having an impact on our business. The main reason for this increase is due to soaring gas prices (directly linked to the Ukraine conflict) and, in France specifically, to maintenance delays concerning national nuclear reactors. In the spirit of full transparency, we would like to inform you that, over the Q3 2021-Q3 2022 period, we already experienced an 85% increase in our electricity costs, without affecting your invoice. Unfortunately, the current geopolitical situation suggests that energy prices will continue to rise in 2023.

    In addition to energy prices, growing inflation is significantly increasing all costs which are essential to the running of our business.
    Despite our commitment to offering the best price/performance ratio for our services, we are now forced to increase our prices.

    Thus, as of December 1, 2022, we will increase the prices of our offers by an average of 10% for most existing Scaleway solutions (Dedibox and Public Cloud).

    We have decided to apply this increase by targeting specific product categories and service ranges. We will communicate the detailed list of pricing changes per product line in the next few days.

    We would like to thank you for your loyalty and support over the years, and for your understanding.

    With best wishes during these difficult times from the entire Scaleway team.

  • NetDynamics24NetDynamics24 Member, Host Rep

    @Shakib said:
    No changes for our clients.

    Same here. We didn't raise our prices and will not do, at least for the next 6 months, although we pay more and more every month!

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