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I don't use netcup at all because they force non residents to pay VAT as well
Probably clearing stock for their gen 10 RS.
Welcome to Europe 😉
A lot of other German providers don't do this though.
If you have a business, most European do, although I don't agree to this for regular users.
Decent price for 4 dedicated EPYC cores and 16GB RAM.
Are they dedicated? Didn't know that. That changes things.
Overall good price but again, darn these long term contracts and the VAT stance.
yelp ,they mentioned that on their web page
A good deal. Tempting, as usual
IMO Their pricing is great, even considering the forced VATs and the long contracts.
It would still be nice if they could exempt VATs for non-EU customers
yabs in case someone's interested.
I've personally had no problem pushing 100% CPU for consistent times for another RootServer, so I believe there won't be any problem with this as well.
International peering could improve a bit, but I haven't had any issue getting 2.5G on both direction when I needed.
BTW, do note that there's a fair use policy for Root Servers. This is what I got when I asked them last time.
Having 2.5gbit has been amazing. Got i believe exact deal on exact server during last easter. Been more than pleased with it. Too bad that lowest tier rs 1000 was only 1 euro per month less, so was no brainer to get rs2000. I wish they make rs1000 for like 6-7e during deals, instead of 10e. Yeah the easter egg rs1000 had better stats than regular rs1000, but they should have this cheapest rs1000 for... cheap, during deals (bf, easter). Im canceling mine after 1 year runs out, and will be hunting for new one during this easter. I had no problem paying 60ish euro up front, twice. I messed around with their servers for 5-8 days, cancelled and got refund real quick, no questions asked... so while their strict with charging etc, they also strict on refunding.
Yeah their peering not greatest, i had nforce, leaseweb dedis 1gbit in amsterdam, also ovh in france 10gbit/1gbit, and it blew netcup out of water, but it was also 60-110e/month dedis, vs 11e/month vps, kind of hookers and nuns comparing, or how in us and a say, apples and oranges.
Basic System Information:
Processor : AMD EPYC 7702P 64-Core Processor
CPU cores : 4 @ 1996.249 MHz
AES-NI : ✔ Enabled
VM-x/AMD-V : ❌ Disabled
RAM : 15.7 GiB
Swap : 0.0 KiB
Disk : 314.9 GiB
fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50):
iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv4):
Provider | Location (Link) | Send Speed | Recv Speed
| | |
Clouvider | London, UK (10G) | 2.09 Gbits/sec | 2.37 Gbits/sec
Online.net | Paris, FR (10G) | 1.84 Gbits/sec | 2.36 Gbits/sec
WorldStream | The Netherlands (10G) | 2.19 Gbits/sec | 2.38 Gbits/sec
WebHorizon | Singapore (400M) | 422 Mbits/sec | busy
Clouvider | NYC, NY, US (10G) | 794 Mbits/sec | 1.57 Gbits/sec
Velocity Online | Tallahassee, FL, US (10G) | 508 Mbits/sec | 1.66 Gbits/sec
Clouvider | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | 572 Mbits/sec | 919 Mbits/sec
Iveloz Telecom | Sao Paulo, BR (2G) | 156 Mbits/sec | 930 Mbits/sec
iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv6):
Provider | Location (Link) | Send Speed | Recv Speed
| | |
Clouvider | London, UK (10G) | 2.09 Gbits/sec | 2.33 Gbits/sec
Online.net | Paris, FR (10G) | 1.32 Gbits/sec | 2.32 Gbits/sec
WorldStream | The Netherlands (10G) | 1.44 Gbits/sec | 2.34 Gbits/sec
WebHorizon | Singapore (400M) | 348 Mbits/sec | 530 Mbits/sec
Clouvider | NYC, NY, US (10G) | 672 Mbits/sec | 1.53 Gbits/sec
Clouvider | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | 535 Mbits/sec | 1.04 Gbits/sec
Geekbench 5 Benchmark Test:
Test | Value
|
Single Core | 968
Multi Core | 3531
Full Test | https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/12810586
@sanvit as you can see, ours capped at 1.996, however if you go to their website now, it says max 3.35, so maybe they have new gen running already or whatever.
sudo dmidecode -t processor | grep "Speed"
Max Speed: 2000 MHz
Current Speed: 2000 MHz
That is why im lurking for 2vcpu for 5-6e ish vs current 4vcpu at 11e ish. i rather have 2.vcpu @ 3.35 than [email protected]
oos
I think it's just a hypervisor reporting error. If you search on Geekbench, the highest single core score for EPYC 7702P is 1089, which is around 10% difference from what we're currently getting.
https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/search?dir=desc&q=AMD+EPYC+7702P&sort=score
In my experience on this spec at Netcup it runs great, some variance in disk speed between instances (consistent 200MB/s sequential vs consistent 600)
However the deal breaker for me was that they freeze intermittently (twice a day or so) for up to 30 seconds or so. Sometimes it is so bad that you get an NMI hang report in dmesg. So they are not suitable for anything realtime or anything that needs perfect uptime
Thanks so much! I'm looking at their offers for production websites. Skip now.
I can't speak about @darkimmortal's experience, but plenty of people use netcup for production websites
if you sign up as a 'company' you don't need to
Dont you have to provide supporting documents?
ofcourse, else how would you prove you are a 'running business'?
If you are dubious on giving them your business details... you are not qualified to be their customer and I agree with that.
Well I proved to them I'm not a resident of the EU and still have to pay VAT so I guess they get the best of everything.
If you are an individual, I guess even Hetzner charges you higher VAT depending on the country you are from (outside EU) so that's by law for provider to abide by. I would not complain someone complying to law
That seems to differ by providers though. For example, AWS and DigitalOcean charges 10% Korean VAT (DO doesn't have any presence nor server in South Korea) for me. Hetzner, Scaleway, etc. doesn't charge any (0% VAT), but Netcup charges 19% German VAT.
I can 100% understand paying my local VAT if required by law, but I think most of the people complaining here is due to the fact that Netcup is the only company requiring you to pay German VAT even though you are not residing on EU
Indeed, netcup seems to be exceptional in this respect, and I can understand how a non-EU private customer wouldn't be so pleased about this.
(At the same time, it's probably legal for netcup to do this, assuming a conception that is: "a server is a service that is provided locally".)
I’ve talked with multiple people at netcup regarding it, and they were pretty strict on charging the VAT. However, they told me on detail why they were required to collect VAT unless I had a company registeration #, and their service is exceptional even with the VAT, so I’m honestly happy with them.
Just curious: what did they tell you?
Very ood. Once or two I could understand if they have to migrate the virtual machines around for some reason.
But daily for presumably a long time frame sounds very strange.
I don't think I ever experienced anything like that with the instance I have with them -
dmesg looks clean too.
But maybe have to pay some more attention to it to encounter it.
I got it on both my instances (different nodes), had to give up on using them in production. I've never seen anything like it on any VPS before. No sign of any issue in collectd or uptime monitoring, just my application temporarily freezing roughly twice daily and the strange NMI hang messages about once a month
https://www.google.com/search?q=rcu_sched++stall+"netcup" shows a few others are hitting it too