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Please do not use OVZ6
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Please do not use OVZ6

jerry_mejerry_me Member
edited February 2022 in General

I use OVZ6 from two different providers and OVZ7 from two different service providers, I only use it for static websites, I can only log in to the server via certificate, then both servers of OVZ6 receive abuse reports, the reports are hacking or DDOS, even after reinstallation and recovery and no longer install any services, it will be compromised for a short time, but OVZ7 has no problem, even more hostnamaste sent me abuse report during my break, I didn't reply within 1 hour of sending the report, so it deleted my service, the other OBHost was restored because I replied in time and reinstalled, the service was restored, and when I detected the traffic increase again, I tried to shut down the IPv4 network and log in only as an IPv6 server, the anomaly disappeared, so far it hasn't I have not found a better solution yet.


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  • yoursunnyyoursunny Member, IPv6 Advocate

    Provider is at fault for offering @eol 'ed platform.

  • if you get delivered an ovz6 service, chargeback immediately.

    Thanked by 1skorous
  • bruh21bruh21 Member, Host Rep

    Ovz7 released over 5 years ago. It is time to move on from ovz6

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

    OVZ7 also sucks. It was kind of outdated at release time.

    Thanked by 2yoursunny jmginer
  • mcgreemcgree Member
    edited February 2022

    hostnamaste is shit, they took my money to get a vps but the quality is very poor(less than 5mb/s io and 30mbps network around the us), I asked for a refund and scolded me, I can not think of a second person to fall for.

    And the OVZ platform's IPv6 strategy was also shit.

    Thanked by 1yoursunny
  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran
    edited February 2022

    Inconclusive in regards to the suggestion that vz6 is responsible for a compromised VPS. It's fairly unbelievable that there would be any correlation that could be used to reach the conclusion of vz6 being responsible. It doesn't have any services listening for external connections on its own, and the containerization isn't responsible for the state of the internal software.

    Thanked by 1Daniel15
  • 2022 and you still use ancient OVZ6 with 2.x linux kernel??? Damn.. you need to live in ancient time..

  • hostnamastehostnamaste Member, Patron Provider

    @jerry_me said:
    I use OVZ6 from two different providers and OVZ7 from two different service providers, I only use it for static websites, I can only log in to the server via certificate, then both servers of OVZ6 receive abuse reports, the reports are hacking or DDOS, even after reinstallation and recovery and no longer install any services, it will be compromised for a short time, but OVZ7 has no problem, even more hostnamaste sent me abuse report during my break, I didn't reply within 1 hour of sending the report, so it deleted my service, the other OBHost was restored because I replied in time and reinstalled, the service was restored, and when I detected the traffic increase again, I tried to shut down the IPv4 network and log in only as an IPv6 server, the anomaly disappeared, so far it hasn't I have not found a better solution yet.


    I could not believe how the client is portraying the issue here with such a lie. Let me clear here, this particular client has bought the KVM VPS and not the OpenVZ 6 or 7 VPS. We had received the 4 complaints from our data center and sent it on "24/12/2021", but client never responded and did not even care to update to any complaints subsequently the security team has suspended the server after a few day as per our TOS since it was not responded and nor provided the justification else the case would be different, but just yesterday after almost 1.5/2 months, the security team has closed the complaints and terminated the VPS. And suddenly, client woke up and responded because it was terminated that he has never received any complaint he/she was on break for (1.5 / 2 months) and never read the emails? Team has also guided that the emails was sent on the mentioned date and you can check from your email history or the from client area > your name > email history, but totally denied and here he/she has uploaded the yesterday's closed complaints emails.

  • hostnamastehostnamaste Member, Patron Provider

    Apart from that, I wanted > @yoursunny said:

    Provider is at fault for offering @eol 'ed platform.

    I wanted to confirm here, since last couple of months or a year, we are not provisioning new servers on OpenVZ 6 Virtualization node, but there are few VMs still running and those clients are not ready to move / migrate to OpenVZ 7 Virtualization node due to their applications/sites working fine for them, but for other clients we have migrated almost everything.

  • jackbjackb Member, Host Rep
    edited February 2022

    @hostnamaste said:
    I wanted to confirm here, since last couple of months or a year, we are not provisioning new servers on OpenVZ 6 Virtualization node, but there are few VMs still running and those clients are not ready to move / migrate to OpenVZ 7 Virtualization node due to their applications/sites working fine for them, but for other clients we have migrated almost everything.

    It's been EOL for about two and a half years, I'd suggest that the time to migrate those customers has long since passed. Far more than "a few months or a year".

    If anyone has a hard requirement of not moving, put them in a single tenant openvz host inside a KVM VPS. Problem solved.

    Thanked by 2yoursunny DP
  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited February 2022

    @chocolateshirt said: with 2.x linux kernel??? Damn..

    OVZ7 uses 3.10...
    That being said, we still have quite a few OVZ6 customers which do not wish to migrate. I fail to see issues with it (hacking, spam, etc). When I will see, we will terminate everyone and refund the remaining time.
    I think this is a good strategy, only force people out when there is no other way. We stopped selling OVZ 6 a good year before EoL.

  • I think the main risk is not from OVZ6 itself but the age of the templated OSes offered by providers. Chances are those clinging to OVZ6 are also using EOLed versions of Debian, Ubuntu etc. because there's no upgrade available to reinstall, and that is unwise.

    Side loading an up to date OS (say Alpine) and stripping the risk down to just the age of the OVZ kernel seems a reasonable compromise for non critical applications.

  • CentOS6 has tuxcare ELS support till 2024 and kernelcare is still patching openvz kernel (last update 07.2021).

  • @rdes said:
    CentOS6 has tuxcare ELS support till 2024 and kernelcare is still patching openvz kernel (last update 07.2021).

    Yes, but those are paid-support services. Most low-end providers who have (or still offer) OVZ-6 aren't paying for those services.

  • PieHasBeenEatenPieHasBeenEaten Member, Host Rep
    edited February 2022

    @hostnamaste well can you provide proof that they were sent months ago?

  • edited February 2022

    I doubt this is a problem with OVZ6 itself unless you can provide more evidence. Plenty of other more likely reasons you would get abuse notices.

  • let's wait for ovz8 available asap

  • SplitIceSplitIce Member, Host Rep

    Is there really a good usecase for OpenVZ these days?

    Between KVM (or your FV of choice) and docker (or your linux container of choice) what remains for OpenVZ?

  • @SplitIce said:
    Is there really a good usecase for OpenVZ these days?

    Between KVM (or your FV of choice) and docker (or your linux container of choice) what remains for OpenVZ?

    i still use ovz7 to create nat vps (shared ipv4 + dedicated ipv6)
    not sure how to do it in kvm tho

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

    @vba said: not sure how to do it in kvm tho

    Proxmox does this great.
    I use it for KS which is really weird.
    If you have problems with NAT-ing under proxmox directly you can always install a router VM and do nat in it.

  • hostnamastehostnamaste Member, Patron Provider

    @PieHasBeenEaten said:
    @hostnamaste well can you provide proof that they were sent months ago?

    Yes definitely, I have uploaded it here "https://ibb.co/1XJHmn9".

    Thanked by 1Logano
  • @SplitIce said:
    Is there really a good usecase for OpenVZ these days?

    Between KVM (or your FV of choice) and docker (or your linux container of choice) what remains for OpenVZ?

    Still using Ovz7 till today as our balancer.

  • hostnamastehostnamaste Member, Patron Provider

    @LosPollosHermanos said:
    I doubt this is a problem with OVZ6 itself unless you can provide more evidence. Plenty of other more likely reasons you would get abuse notices.

    The thing is that, this client is fake (lied here as well as used different details while purchased), as he has mentioned about the OpenVZ 6, but he has purchased and used the KVM VPS with Debian 10 OS.

  • PieHasBeenEatenPieHasBeenEaten Member, Host Rep

    @jerry_me Well the picture @hostnamaste posted shows otherwise

    Thanked by 1Logano
  • hostnamastehostnamaste Member, Patron Provider

    @PieHasBeenEaten

    I have found this client's interesting comment today, see the attached "https://ibb.co/L614Gt8", where he/she mentioned clearly about abuse.

  • @hostnamaste said:
    I have found this client's interesting comment today, see the attached "https://ibb.co/L614Gt8", where he/she mentioned clearly about abuse.

    To be fair, that comment is on a Terrahost ad for a KVM with 50TB bandwidth.

    OFFER:
    
    KVM 2G
    1 vCore (AMD Ryzen 5950X)
    2GB RAM
    40GB NVMe SSD
    50TB @ 1Gbps
    Location: Kansas City, US
    Price per month: 5 USD/month with discount code
    50% Discount code: OhHeyThereUS
    
  • hostnamastehostnamaste Member, Patron Provider

    @Logano said: To be fair, that comment is on a Terrahost ad for a KVM with 50TB bandwidth.

    Right, but in the context of this fake thread started about the abuse complaints, client has mentioned about the usage of the server to not get the abuse compliant, which itself shows the usage of the client for any provider's VPS.

  • @Maounique said:

    @vba said: not sure how to do it in kvm tho

    Proxmox does this great.
    I use it for KS which is really weird.
    If you have problems with NAT-ing under proxmox directly you can always install a router VM and do nat in it.

    Awesome!
    is this correct way to do ?
    https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/using-a-container-or-vm-as-a-router.54344/

  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited February 2022

    @vba said: is this correct way to do ?

    Yes but it lacks a lot of other info.
    If you are ok with using the proxmox itself (which is based on Debian)
    then you do something like this:
    echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
    iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 10.0.0.0/24 -o vmbr0 -j MASQUERADE
    That is enough to so NAT in the whole of host.
    You do make a new bridge with 10.0.0.254/24 (or any other RFC 1918 "net") for the containers and VMs alike.
    The containers will have IP like 10.0.0.x/24 and 10.0.0.254 as gateway.
    In order to forward ports:
    iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -d [your ipv4] -j DNAT --to-destination 10.0.0.xx
    Then you create containers or VMs and bridge them to vmbr1.
    For a range of ports:
    iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i vmbr0 -p udp --dport 64000:65000 -j DNAT --to 10.0.0.3:61000-62000
    You can use 192.168.1.x for example, I use 10.0.0.x because is shorter.

    Thanked by 1jugganuts
  • Why would someone use OpenVZ instead of cheap KVM? It's 2022, you can afford a KVM.

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