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Fuck these fucking assclowns with their bait and switch tactics.
Overreacting much?
I'm going to > @Lex said:
I still think it's cheap but I will move my account from there to my 4 GB buyvm vps. I would rather pay more and have a predictable pricing than to pay less and not know when it will increase or by how much each year. It's okay if they said that we'll increase the price each year to match the inflation data, then it would be predictable.
It's best to read the first part of ezeths last post as a reply to K4Y5.
After they have migrated my Singapore accounts to a new server as part of their "upgrade", they suddenly migrate my accounts to another Singapore server again with zero notice until after a 1 hour downtime
Haa，yes
Are you aware that Equinix and virtually every single datacenter operator increase their pricing every single year? And that affects existing spaces ?
Mind blowing isn’t it. “All of these bait and switch tactics”
Yes but at the same time bandwidth and hardware are cheaper. Modern servers also need less power.
I'm not running, nor have ever run a hosting company.
But I assume (correct me if I'm wrong) the following:
We are all free to choose providers.
While providers are free to set their pricing policies.
On top of that, this is capitalism, and that's the point of making a brand - so you can sell stuff for more, earning more. I doubt that iPhone production costs a lot more than the production of a Xiaomi smartphone. So the costs limit only the lowest possible price, while the marketing department makes sure that customers are happy to pay hundreds of dollars for a piece of plastic with some silicone, feeling they got a "good value."
It's similar with all the other products and services.
I think that both HostMantis and cPanel did their price hikes quite clumsily - the likes of Apple and Nike for example do much better brainwashing marketing so many customers are happy to pay their prices, not nearly as outraged at them. But the essence is the same - we are free to choose cheaper alternatives. Many do. But many don't - for various reasons (marketing playing a huge, but not the only role there).
For me, HostMantis has been the most stable, and fastest performing reseller hosting provider I've tried. Past a certain price point, I too would look at and test the cheaper alternatives.
Oooooh you think in profit !!! How you dare? Just a joke
HW prices are going up. Availability goes down.
Datacenter prices increase a few percent per annum, not enough to offset the savings made elsewhere even before the pandemic.
Like @bikegremlin said every provider must select their pricing model and if people is not happy because it they always could create their own hosting with ultra super cheapo pricing and work hard to success. At the end of the story everyone must pay the bills, pay the taxes,pay salaries, invest more money, bla bla bla and have profit . Yes this is like everything in this world real costs of some oranges 0.23 euros kg in the supermarket 1.20 euros .? And? I mean you are not paying for the product itself . You are paying for everything.
I don't know for other countries but inflation in Italy is still around 1%. I didn't experience any price increase from the datacenter where we colo in the last 10 years.
Same for the hardware, even if the same CPU now it's a bit more expensive than a few months ago, it still does much more than those CPUs available 2-3 years ago, and it's cheaper compared to them. Same for the storage, 2 TB NVMe aren't expensive at all nowadays.
But I am not talking about dedicated servers, that's another market but we are discussing about shared hosting here, right?
Should have taken a couple more minutes to learn about the host and product in question, in addition to their non-linear 'pricing adjustments', downgrading resources after selling a product and not honoring recurring discounts. That may have blown your mind.
This really. I mean their pricing is not so bad, great service and so on. But the way they do things is really underhanded. I mean the downgrading of resources without any notification other than an on-site article. I didn't even get a notification pricing was going up.
It's more than just pushing the pricing up annually which in itself does not bother me. But pushing the price up whilst significantly reducing resource allocation, yeah that sticks a bit.
Thank god I prepaid for three years. Leaving when I get my next invoice generated, prices increased tenfold.
To be clear, I don’t known the business and don’t specifically defend them.
I do however defend their right to increase prices, especially if their costs are rising
Nah, not like this. They have been well above the line since the first price rise. This is just more BS.
It should be classified as a scam by this stage IMO.
The official inflation numbers is a scam. 6%.. excluding energy that's up 50%, excluding food that's up 20% etc
https://tradingeconomics.com/commodities
hostmantis increasing their prices by 25% isn't that much when the cost of energy is up 50%+ year to date
ROFL, okay boomer.
replacing servers every year costs very large sum of money while last years servers will be depreciating like 50%. while I am not supporting huge percentage increase like them , 3-5% hike should be norm .
C'mon Dom
We understand inflation, price adjustment due to extraneous factors not always limited to direct change in costs of materials etc. We deal with it too. Its not a groundbreaking concept unique to the web hosting industry.
However, this specific case is different. It really isn't just about baiting and switching as much as it is about lying, deceiving and out rightly being dishonest little pricks!
Should you really care enough to engage further, spare 5-10 min of your time and look up announcements related to hostmantis on this forum from 2019 onwards. You will undoubtedly gain some insight into the shady crap they have been pulling these past couple of years and understand the cause of such reactions from within the community.
In case you simply do not care enough, there really is no harm in sitting this one out.
Agreed.
I pay Leaseweb in 4 figures each month for their services. I have had services with them for years, and have happily paid an annual ~8-10% increment as they revised their costs each year.
On the other end of the spectrum, I have happily been with RamNode for years and didn't mind their price increment in the least. They were quite transparent about it, and people understood.
Just wanted to say that we are not oblivious to hardware / software price fluctuations and their effect on web hosts. We do NOT want for good providers to shut shop, while trying to race to the bottom (Yeah, we are on LET).
However, at the same time, we cannot be expected to not 'vent out' when a certain company is repeatedly scamming people into buying services, abruptly removing lifetime discounts, downgrading allocated resources that were sold as a part of the plan, and then basically being asked to get fucked should they point it out.
Price hike is one thing. Price hike across the board (for both cPanel and DirectAdmin accounts) justified by the cPanel price hikes is another.
And then making a silent change in your resource allocations for reseller accounts (i.e., making CloudLinux limits apply to ALL accounts under a reseller instead of applying it per account) to force (some) current users to upgrade to their new plan offerings (with higher resource limits) is just criminal.
Yeah, but your contract is for what, a year?
Are they asking you to pay more in this agreed time to continue the service?
After the contracted time, they surely can offer you renewal at a higher price?
Now this is something I would have a problem with.
They reduced the allocated resources that they sold to me, during the billing period.
They abruptly removed my lifetime discount prior to renewal of service, which they sheepishly re-added upon pointing out and discussing over a support ticket. (I chose to migrate and NOT take them up on their revised lifetime discount. Fool me once.. etc.}
The latter was not a one-off glitch. They did it with everyone, and re-instated discounts, if people noticed and cared enough to call them out on it.
As I said I’m not defending them per se, my point is merely in relation to their ability to increase prices outside of the billing cycle.
If they changed your limits then I would look up what sort of SLAs were broken and demand compensation in like with the contract, as it’s simply not acceptable ?
See that is something else that annoys me for new customers. Take a look at WHT which is really only where they advertise. Note they are stating their current prices. Which is fine. But, do they state anywhere if you sign up today on a monthly plan you are getting hit with a 25% price increase in about 6 weeks? No.
Like I said before it's not just about price increases. Removing per account resources and telling nobody, just adding an announcement on their site. Service is great, pricing is still ok but they have a serious attitude and inability to communicate with their customers.