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Cloudflare R2
Sooo, what do you think? Major game changer with it's free egress?
https://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-r2-object-storage/
There was done some math vs Amazon. Savings are in tenth of thousands of American dollars.
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Do you mean 1/1000s or 10000s? Your phrasing is really ambiguous.
Cloudflare 9 cents/month, while amazon 54 000 dollars/month. Can't find tweet where was math done. Crazzy.
The cloudflare CEO sounds like he's pulling a Bezos where company reinvests in itself for two decades to gain market share and then count the billions when they own the market.
I would bet that they will join vps/cloud server market soon. They have infrastructure, they provide serverless functions, you can host HTML with Cloudflare Pages... Only this one piece is missing. For now they use Bandwidth Alliance as alternative so they can give custoners nice alternative to Amazon, but why giveaway money to 3rd party when you can sell by your own?
Yes, within say next 3 or 4 years we might see Cloudflare selling cloud servers at edge and that too at LE prices.
I think they dont need to go below standard DO/Linode pricing for instances. Unlimited transfer will be enough to make huge sales
Nobody from big players gives you that (excluding Bandwidth Alliance). I would go all-in to Cloudflare then. No extra latency (servers at edge), no bandwidth fees, everything managed from one plave, great tools like Cloudflare Access... which includes SSH tunnel... hmmm 
I think they can do it in one year from now, maybe they already are doing it as we speak. Maybe object storage is placed on extra servers they bought, but they wait for all shipments, because of chip shortage so thats why Object Storage is in closed beta? Just a guess...
It may be free, it may be cheap, but their ToS is pain in the ass.
You can't transfer/egress non-HTML content (significant pictures, videos, etc), unless you're on their paid enterprise plan. Don't know if this applies to R2 though, but I bet it would.
If that policy does not apply, then they are crazy
Unlikely. They're mostly targeting the enterprise space, after all, they made a big splash about how easy it is to migrate existing objects from a different cloud provider, which is a big deal for those big corps who are unwilling to switch providers even in the hopes of a big discount.
What you might see is container services, write a Dockerfile and deploy your app, that kinda stuff. They recently acquired appfleet to that end.
1tb cost of storage $15/-
Wasabi offer $6/-
Everything same.. after Wasabi has the DC AP1 in Japan !
I don;t think it will not much change anything.
CF won't come to VPS business because bigger players like Google, Alibaba, IBM, Oracle, MS are already here....
@webontop - you forgot about the egress fees. Check Wasabi TOS to read more about this.
Of course Wasabi is good at pricing if you use it just for storage without too much egress traffic.
Wasabi also bills you for three months even if you remove the file earlier.
Exactly, so it completely useless in some cases, for example if you need storage for your daily backups with 1 week retention, for example.
It won't: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28682237#28683255
I think it's big NSA honeycomb.
Monopolization of internet and controlling users decentralized data.
I do not want to sound paranoid.
But cloudflare network absolutely everywhere and has full access literally to whole internet, because whole internet deeply interconnect with cloudflare. Any website, any network, any js file or CSS in the internet. They literally see whole picture of all internet users.
They want and they will control whole traffic in the internet from one central point. From one hands.
I think whole internet in very big crisis and danger in terms of decentralized advantage that died when cloudflare expand their services and literally everywhere and access data on all network osi levels above l2. The most funniest part they did it by providing free services or dirty cheap, and killing any other gready competition.
But when someone will be problematic to cloud flare, than they will shutdown the absorbed client from them....
I think this is the best NSA operation ever.
Hold on, I've seen it before. Yea.... ussr did the same: free or cheap without deep understanding where money comes from. And in one day no competition from small companies, no quality in medium perspective, degradation of initial product and death that can affect literally each user in internet...
Also, there was a old saying new put your domains and hosting with one provider. If something happens, you account gets freezed/ban, then ALL products/assets will be lost. Similarly, if one providers goes down then also everything will be affected.
So for some sites I'll be using cloudflare storage, but not dns, or for some, dns and storage, but not domain.
yeah.. but.. any good (free) alternatives?
it's good, but my local ISP and Cloudflare are not friends.
After Google.
Are they buying up IPV4? If not, maybe they could make a splash with IPv6 only servers when bundled with all the right perks and saves millions.
Well, it's not impossible but then you need to look at the motives and how it can be achieved. Is Cloudflare private or public company? If public, who are the largest shareholders and the board members? If private, who owns it?
Cloudflare touts about privacy and has third party audits on their data handling, so that needs to be investigated, too.
The thing people forget about is that Google wasn't complicit with their dealings with the NSA and handing them everything. Google found out from the snowden leaks about how they were fully backdoored by the NSA without their knowledge, really pissing Google off. As a result, Google implemented several major changes, such as internal server to server encryption and dedicated pipes, etc.
if it that so NSA
then why CF kicked my 2 domains out and says it's not safe being on CF go elsewhere. It was just PORN. Ever deleted porn from Xvideos / Pornhub / Xhamster and others.
I had to offload my business and it still sucks. They can put eye on me if it's NSA.. right or wrong.
It's almost beyond a doubt at this point, for me, that cloudflare is a hell of a big NSA data vacuum.
The thing that worries me most is the too many eggs in one basket. Using CF for name servers and SSL is too easy to do, that if something happened with CF and I had to bail or self host, it would require a non-trivial amount of work to rectify.. Per domain.. Scale that out and fuck that.
So these days I'm slowly pulling back from CF where I easily can.
@Neoon, don't ever approve this guy's request for NanoKVM/MicroLXC. You already can guess what this guy was hosting in the name of "just porn."
Yeah that stuff is usually CSAM or revenge porn.. Either way not exactly "just porn"..
He already applied once and fucked it up, so he is burned anyway.
But thanks.
Then dont make business on blackmailing / revenge / hidden camera porn.
They didnt kicked you because of mainstream pirated stuff, plenty of sites like this work fine on CF for years.
Oh no, what about CF's bottom line? /s
I did tried to do some small experiment with blocking cloudflare IPs:
https://www.cloudflare.com/ips-v4 and https://www.cloudflare.com/ips-v6
Results:
Summary
around 4-6 websites from 15-20 impossible to open (that i frequently use).
There couple of them in my opinion critical one. Like gitlab, cdns for js, css files loaded from different cdn services (most of them behind cloudflare, but different domain name).
Also: npm, gitlab, tons of websites that use bootstrap. Just a lot of websites.
Tons of websites, that saying that they store images/data locally on their network or CDNs, in real life store their data behind cloudflare network. Which results in empty images on many websites.
Yea, like i said above. Cloudflare literally everywhere. And that the big problem.
Suggestion for people: without need do not move websites behind cloudflare.
CDNs are easily replaceable, if things turn out for the worse. How about you talk about AWS? Now that would be a lot harder to replace for a lot of organizations than a CDN distributing js/images.