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Just don't practice your free speech on your significant other unless you like sleeping on sofa.
@adly @Maounique i understand. you guys are from free speech part of the world. i am from europe and we are not used to free speech at all.
I’m from the UK, which is about on par with most of Europe free speech wise. It is perfectly normal in the UK/Europe, just not the bastardised American version of ‘free speech’.
I am from Europe as well. I used to be beaten by my parents for speaking my mind and landing them into trouble :P I even gave written statement to "Militia" the Police equivalent at 13.
You're struggling to make a cogent argument.
I would argue that the US has a freer stand on speech than the UK or Europe.
For example, in the US you can publish a Nazi web site or publish an anti-homosexuality book or hold a conference to denounce Islam and all of that is protected speech. In some European countries, those things are crimes.
So what's the barrier? Resellers who lack the technical chops to administer a VPS? Or they'd rather have someone else do the patching, upgrades, etc.?
Not at all, I say there are different standards, in some countries there are laws against free speech, in others there are "rules" and some laws designed for other purposes, such as national security, for example, are used against people speaking up and giving proof of government war crimes or spying on people.
The law is rarely called "the censorship bill", but people get fired, deplatformed, shunned by the "community" of professionals or other kinds, become "free agents" in perpetuity, etc.
Everything you say can and will be used against you in the court of the biased public opinion and that has serious consequences for your personal and family life.
I agree. The US relationship with free speech is borderline fanatical to the point of it being viewed as a shield from any consequences regardless of what is ‘said’.
Europe in general recognises that certain things, such as the incitement of hatred, shouldn’t qualify as protected speech and there are consequences for saying such things. You’re still free to hold your old beliefs.
That has nothing to do with free speech. Speaking up in the shower against the regime or mumbling to yourself has nothing to do with free speech. Free speech can only be in a public place where many people can listen or read. What you say to your spouse or family can't be included.
And that is how it should be, just that it is very far from the ideal. Protecting free speech does not mean you do not use the law against the people speaking their mind, it also means that they should be protected by the law from any consequences. So, firing someone should be illegal as long as it is due to opinions expressed in public, for example, the same way it should be illegal to fire someone due to their sex (for being pregnant, for example) due to their colour of skin, sexual orientation or identity, in general, anything you can't and shouldn't change to "fit in". It is protecting diversity, it is keeping us from becoming a lockstep society incapable of change and progress.
Agree. But European nations have decided that certain rights are more important than individual free speech and have banned certain things, as @raindog308 highlighted. Perhaps this is undue censorship or perhaps it will eventually descend into it - that’s what they’ve decided - my comment was mainly to highlight that even extremist beliefs can still be held without punishment.
Yes, but you can't punish anyone for that as long as you can't read their mind. The fact someone holds "extremist" beliefs can only be proven by interrogating someone which heard or read such beliefs and that is STILL punished at least by surveillance, blocking the right to free travel, "vetting undesirables" from certain jobs and positions, etc.
There are many ways to punish someone for their beliefs, not only jailing, torture and the death penalty.
Until free speech is truly protected by the law, there is no free speech without anonymity, except for people which have nothing to lose already, which have already been fired, evicted from their land, family already jailed or shot, which are already threatened on a regular basis and anything else they can say will not make any difference.
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Many European nations have their way of dealing with this, including laws against discrimination based on beliefs, etc. But again this is balanced with other rights and the rights other individuals enjoy. There are, of course, many nuances to this and I’m sure it doesn’t always work out as the law is written.
Whether it is better both for society and the individual as a whole than the US system which is the extreme opposite end can be debated. I don’t know the complete answer. Many European nations have their reasoning for such laws that the US has (yet) to deal with. Time will tell which approach survives.
Jesus Francis... OK god damn it. We will switch to VPS. And keep memories of how affordable and reliable BuyShared was without the hassle of managing a VPS/Slab/Storage whatever.
Just kidding. I like BS. Will stay on shared till the last minute
Oh I was going to put icing on that one, make it $7/m or something.
Francisco
ditto
You can replace Trump with Obama and 4 with 8. And then repeat again.
Isn't there something about free speech doesn't mean free from consequences? E.g. a punch in the nose if your speech gives me butthurt.
Free speech is with the government, not criminals.
Can you point to a tweet that should have gotten them banned? Because with Trump, there were tons.
"CP" is not the shorthand for cpanel. Use cP. "CP" is something else you don't want.
You're going to be wrong about how little/much work shared hoster resellers actually want to do. Switching to VPS will add tons more management overhead. Sure, some will convert, the majority will just go to another DA/cP provider.
Shared hosting got too cheap.
If you can get by on shared hosting limits, one should. It's usually shit like inode limits, root access, or disk space that really forces one to get a VPS.
You mean snitched?
And that's why it'd be marketed to people that are experienced but can't afford bigger plans.
Last week I wrote a new auditing script that helped us track per reseller resource usage (CPU only, memory doesn't matter as much) and found multiple resellers that were burning upwards of 300% CPU..on a $4/month service.
Cloudlinux doesn't have a breakdown/overview of that information.
Anyway, there's multiple people that should be on a VPS but can't afford the $45/month for a proper sized Slice. The idea behind these plans is people turn in their reseller and get this plan. No plan transfers to other customers, no 'buying extras', it's a pure 1:1 swap.
The nodes will quickly calm down (since in reality it's only 3 - 4 resellers per node pushing it crazy), which means we can merge things down, freeing gear & IP's for slices.
Francisco
Or they'll go somewhere else to get the free 300% cpu for $4/mo.
I think time+management hassle far outweighs sticking with what they're currently doing.
Or they'll go somewhere else to get the free 300% cpu for $4/mo.
Many places are now moving to 'reseller limits' where the reseller as a whole is restricted to a certain amount. You can look around at what other shared people are doing but you aren't going to find 300% easily.
But, then again, i doubt many have written the audit scripts to find this happening.
We were unaware of it until just last week. We ended up locking the super crazy heavy users down and the nodes haven't been this quiet since inception.
Francisco
When kids are speaking against/joking about the government, the parents are usually "guilty".
sure:
۳/۴زه ددې سترې فتحې له امله عالیقدر امیرالمؤمنین شیخ هبةالله اخندزاده صاحب، محترمو معاونین صاحبانو، د سنګر مجاهدینو، داسلامي امارت اعضاوو او افغان مسلمان ملت ته د زړه له کومې مبارکي وایم.الله تعالی دې نور ګران هیواد له یرغلونو او مصایبو وساتي او
0 reasons to ban them. They celebrate their victory and congratulate themselves. The victory is real against a corrupted government propped from outside and was mostly bloodless too.
Exploiting the loophole of I don't know what the fuck they're saying.
In my teens and twenties, I thought free speech was a good thing. Now I realize free speech is good only if its factual. Problem is, who can actually fact check perception/feelings - is there a body trusted to do that? And down the rabit hole it goes...