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What's your ideal VPS, what kind of offers would you like to see here on LET?

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  • @Merlincool said:

    @chocolateshirt said:

    @Merlincool said:
    Something like

    1 Core vps
    5 TB bandwidth per month (This could be altered if not 5, minimum 2 TB will be great)
    1 TB harddisk
    512 MB RAM (1 GB would be much better)

    price 50 euros per 3 year or 17 euros per one year.

    Above specs were provided by hostsolution.ro in special deal of blackfriday.

    You could get from HostHatch BF more peeformance and very stable network for less than $40 per year

    Much better to get time4vps then, it's around 34-35 dollars for one year and I am having vps with them since past 4-5 years no problems at all, except once there was data loss but that's acceptable, they already have notice to keep backups as they won't be doing one at such low specs vps.

    I would not use ancient OVz6 technology with ancient 2.x kernel.. and it's performance just similar to HS storage, poor disk performance..

  • @chocolateshirt said:

    @Merlincool said:

    @chocolateshirt said:

    @Merlincool said:
    Something like

    1 Core vps
    5 TB bandwidth per month (This could be altered if not 5, minimum 2 TB will be great)
    1 TB harddisk
    512 MB RAM (1 GB would be much better)

    price 50 euros per 3 year or 17 euros per one year.

    Above specs were provided by hostsolution.ro in special deal of blackfriday.

    You could get from HostHatch BF more peeformance and very stable network for less than $40 per year

    Much better to get time4vps then, it's around 34-35 dollars for one year and I am having vps with them since past 4-5 years no problems at all, except once there was data loss but that's acceptable, they already have notice to keep backups as they won't be doing one at such low specs vps.

    I would not use ancient OVz6 technology with ancient 2.x kernel.. and it's performance just similar to HS storage, poor disk performance..

    I don't know but I am not expecting robustly performance with the price I pay. Serves my needs when I pay that low and can't pay more if I am happy to get service at lower price and satisfactorily, what kind of things do you do on your storage vps?

    Thanked by 1ezeth
  • ezethezeth Member, Patron Provider
    edited July 2021

    @chocolateshirt said:

    @Merlincool said:

    @chocolateshirt said:

    @Merlincool said:
    Something like

    1 Core vps
    5 TB bandwidth per month (This could be altered if not 5, minimum 2 TB will be great)
    1 TB harddisk
    512 MB RAM (1 GB would be much better)

    price 50 euros per 3 year or 17 euros per one year.

    Above specs were provided by hostsolution.ro in special deal of blackfriday.

    You could get from HostHatch BF more peeformance and very stable network for less than $40 per year

    Much better to get time4vps then, it's around 34-35 dollars for one year and I am having vps with them since past 4-5 years no problems at all, except once there was data loss but that's acceptable, they already have notice to keep backups as they won't be doing one at such low specs vps.

    I would not use ancient OVz6 technology with ancient 2.x kernel.. and it's performance just similar to HS storage, poor disk performance..

    OVZ6? OVZ7 has been out for years

  • edited July 2021

    @Merlincool said:

    @chocolateshirt said:

    @Merlincool said:

    @chocolateshirt said:

    @Merlincool said:
    Something like

    1 Core vps
    5 TB bandwidth per month (This could be altered if not 5, minimum 2 TB will be great)
    1 TB harddisk
    512 MB RAM (1 GB would be much better)

    price 50 euros per 3 year or 17 euros per one year.

    Above specs were provided by hostsolution.ro in special deal of blackfriday.

    You could get from HostHatch BF more peeformance and very stable network for less than $40 per year

    Much better to get time4vps then, it's around 34-35 dollars for one year and I am having vps with them since past 4-5 years no problems at all, except once there was data loss but that's acceptable, they already have notice to keep backups as they won't be doing one at such low specs vps.

    I would not use ancient OVz6 technology with ancient 2.x kernel.. and it's performance just similar to HS storage, poor disk performance..

    I don't know but I am not expecting robustly performance with the price I pay. Serves my needs when I pay that low and can't pay more if I am happy to get service at lower price and satisfactorily, what kind of things do you do on your storage vps?

    A lot of usage, one of them used for NextCloud..

    choco@LON:~$ curl -sL yabs.sh | bash -s -- -
    # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
    #              Yet-Another-Bench-Script              #
    #                     v2021-06-05                    #
    # https://github.com/masonr/yet-another-bench-script #
    # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
    
    Wed 28 Jul 2021 11:44:48 AM WIB
    
    Basic System Information:
    ---------------------------------
    Processor  : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2690 v2 @ 3.00GHz
    CPU cores  : 1 @ 2999.998 MHz
    AES-NI     : ✔ Enabled
    VM-x/AMD-V : ❌ Disabled
    RAM        : 987.2 MiB
    Swap       : 512.0 MiB
    Disk       : 491.6 GiB
    
    fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50):
    ---------------------------------
    Block Size | 4k            (IOPS) | 64k           (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ---- 
    Read       | 7.71 MB/s     (1.9k) | 78.11 MB/s    (1.2k)
    Write      | 7.75 MB/s     (1.9k) | 78.53 MB/s    (1.2k)
    Total      | 15.46 MB/s    (3.8k) | 156.64 MB/s   (2.4k)
               |                      |                     
    Block Size | 512k          (IOPS) | 1m            (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ---- 
    Read       | 296.41 MB/s    (578) | 651.12 MB/s    (635)
    Write      | 312.16 MB/s    (609) | 694.49 MB/s    (678)
    Total      | 608.57 MB/s   (1.1k) | 1.34 GB/s     (1.3k)
    
    iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv4):
    ---------------------------------
    Provider        | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed     
                    |                           |                 |                
    Clouvider       | London, UK (10G)          | 3.28 Gbits/sec  | 969 Mbits/sec  
    Online.net      | Paris, FR (10G)           | 3.47 Gbits/sec  | 951 Mbits/sec  
    WorldStream     | The Netherlands (10G)     | 3.45 Gbits/sec  | 970 Mbits/sec  
    Biznet          | Jakarta, Indonesia (1G)   | 853 Mbits/sec   | 63.4 Mbits/sec 
    Clouvider       | NYC, NY, US (10G)         | 2.36 Gbits/sec  | 920 Mbits/sec  
    Velocity Online | Tallahassee, FL, US (10G) | 2.07 Gbits/sec  | 750 Mbits/sec  
    Clouvider       | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | 1.25 Gbits/sec  | 643 Mbits/sec  
    Iveloz Telecom  | Sao Paulo, BR (2G)        | 373 Mbits/sec   | 289 Mbits/sec  
    
    iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv6):
    ---------------------------------
    Provider        | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed     
                    |                           |                 |                
    Clouvider       | London, UK (10G)          | 3.51 Gbits/sec  | 4.48 Gbits/sec 
    Online.net      | Paris, FR (10G)           | 3.49 Gbits/sec  | 2.00 Gbits/sec 
    WorldStream     | The Netherlands (10G)     | busy            | 690 Mbits/sec  
    Clouvider       | NYC, NY, US (10G)         | 2.36 Gbits/sec  | 2.38 Gbits/sec 
    Clouvider       | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | 869 Mbits/sec   | 1.20 Gbits/sec
    
    Geekbench 5 Benchmark Test:
    ---------------------------------
    Test            | Value                         
                    |                               
    Single Core     | 525                           
    Multi Core      | 515                           
    Full Test       | https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/9037018
    

    .

    @ezeth said:

    @chocolateshirt said:

    @Merlincool said:

    @chocolateshirt said:

    @Merlincool said:
    Something like

    1 Core vps
    5 TB bandwidth per month (This could be altered if not 5, minimum 2 TB will be great)
    1 TB harddisk
    512 MB RAM (1 GB would be much better)

    price 50 euros per 3 year or 17 euros per one year.

    Above specs were provided by hostsolution.ro in special deal of blackfriday.

    You could get from HostHatch BF more peeformance and very stable network for less than $40 per year

    Much better to get time4vps then, it's around 34-35 dollars for one year and I am having vps with them since past 4-5 years no problems at all, except once there was data loss but that's acceptable, they already have notice to keep backups as they won't be doing one at such low specs vps.

    I would not use ancient OVz6 technology with ancient 2.x kernel.. and it's performance just similar to HS storage, poor disk performance..

    OVZ6? OVZ7 has been out for years

    You are right, it is ancient and obsolete technology

  • What is ideal for one person may not be ideal to another. You wouldn't be able to fulfill everyone's craving.

  • ezethezeth Member, Patron Provider
    edited July 2021

    @chocolateshirt said:

    @Merlincool said:

    @chocolateshirt said:

    @Merlincool said:

    @chocolateshirt said:

    @Merlincool said:
    Something like

    1 Core vps
    5 TB bandwidth per month (This could be altered if not 5, minimum 2 TB will be great)
    1 TB harddisk
    512 MB RAM (1 GB would be much better)

    price 50 euros per 3 year or 17 euros per one year.

    Above specs were provided by hostsolution.ro in special deal of blackfriday.

    You could get from HostHatch BF more peeformance and very stable network for less than $40 per year

    Much better to get time4vps then, it's around 34-35 dollars for one year and I am having vps with them since past 4-5 years no problems at all, except once there was data loss but that's acceptable, they already have notice to keep backups as they won't be doing one at such low specs vps.

    I would not use ancient OVz6 technology with ancient 2.x kernel.. and it's performance just similar to HS storage, poor disk performance..

    I don't know but I am not expecting robustly performance with the price I pay. Serves my needs when I pay that low and can't pay more if I am happy to get service at lower price and satisfactorily, what kind of things do you do on your storage vps?

    A lot of usage, one of them used for NextCloud..

    choco@LON:~$ curl -sL yabs.sh | bash -s -- -
    # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
    #              Yet-Another-Bench-Script              #
    #                     v2021-06-05                    #
    # https://github.com/masonr/yet-another-bench-script #
    # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## #
    
    Wed 28 Jul 2021 11:44:48 AM WIB
    
    Basic System Information:
    ---------------------------------
    Processor  : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2690 v2 @ 3.00GHz
    CPU cores  : 1 @ 2999.998 MHz
    AES-NI     : ✔ Enabled
    VM-x/AMD-V : ❌ Disabled
    RAM        : 987.2 MiB
    Swap       : 512.0 MiB
    Disk       : 491.6 GiB
    
    fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50):
    ---------------------------------
    Block Size | 4k            (IOPS) | 64k           (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ---- 
    Read       | 7.71 MB/s     (1.9k) | 78.11 MB/s    (1.2k)
    Write      | 7.75 MB/s     (1.9k) | 78.53 MB/s    (1.2k)
    Total      | 15.46 MB/s    (3.8k) | 156.64 MB/s   (2.4k)
               |                      |                     
    Block Size | 512k          (IOPS) | 1m            (IOPS)
      ------   | ---            ----  | ----           ---- 
    Read       | 296.41 MB/s    (578) | 651.12 MB/s    (635)
    Write      | 312.16 MB/s    (609) | 694.49 MB/s    (678)
    Total      | 608.57 MB/s   (1.1k) | 1.34 GB/s     (1.3k)
    
    iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv4):
    ---------------------------------
    Provider        | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed     
                    |                           |                 |                
    Clouvider       | London, UK (10G)          | 3.28 Gbits/sec  | 969 Mbits/sec  
    Online.net      | Paris, FR (10G)           | 3.47 Gbits/sec  | 951 Mbits/sec  
    WorldStream     | The Netherlands (10G)     | 3.45 Gbits/sec  | 970 Mbits/sec  
    Biznet          | Jakarta, Indonesia (1G)   | 853 Mbits/sec   | 63.4 Mbits/sec 
    Clouvider       | NYC, NY, US (10G)         | 2.36 Gbits/sec  | 920 Mbits/sec  
    Velocity Online | Tallahassee, FL, US (10G) | 2.07 Gbits/sec  | 750 Mbits/sec  
    Clouvider       | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | 1.25 Gbits/sec  | 643 Mbits/sec  
    Iveloz Telecom  | Sao Paulo, BR (2G)        | 373 Mbits/sec   | 289 Mbits/sec  
    
    iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv6):
    ---------------------------------
    Provider        | Location (Link)           | Send Speed      | Recv Speed     
                    |                           |                 |                
    Clouvider       | London, UK (10G)          | 3.51 Gbits/sec  | 4.48 Gbits/sec 
    Online.net      | Paris, FR (10G)           | 3.49 Gbits/sec  | 2.00 Gbits/sec 
    WorldStream     | The Netherlands (10G)     | busy            | 690 Mbits/sec  
    Clouvider       | NYC, NY, US (10G)         | 2.36 Gbits/sec  | 2.38 Gbits/sec 
    Clouvider       | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | 869 Mbits/sec   | 1.20 Gbits/sec
    
    Geekbench 5 Benchmark Test:
    ---------------------------------
    Test            | Value                         
                    |                               
    Single Core     | 525                           
    Multi Core      | 515                           
    Full Test       | https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/9037018
    

    Are you saying all OVZ7 VMs have bad performance? This is simply not true. Here's a benchmark from a highend VPS running OVZ7

    ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ##

    Yet-Another-Bench-Script

    v2021-06-05

    https://github.com/masonr/yet-another-bench-script

    ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ## ##

    Wed Jul 28 04:59:54 UTC 2021

    Basic System Information:

    Processor : AMD EPYC 7302P 16-Core Processor
    CPU cores : 2 @ 3000.000 MHz
    AES-NI : ✔ Enabled
    VM-x/AMD-V : ✔ Enabled
    RAM : 2.0 GiB
    Swap : 0.0 KiB
    Disk : 49.1 GiB

    fio Disk Speed Tests (Mixed R/W 50/50):

    Block Size 4k (IOPS) 64k (IOPS)
    Read 207.55 MB/s (51.8k) 436.03 MB/s (6.8k)
    Write 208.09 MB/s (52.0k) 438.32 MB/s (6.8k)
    Total 415.64 MB/s (103.9k) 874.35 MB/s (13.6k)
    Block Size 512k (IOPS) 1m (IOPS)
    ------ --- ---- ---- ----
    Read 669.57 MB/s (1.3k) 790.02 MB/s (771)
    Write 705.15 MB/s (1.3k) 842.63 MB/s (822)
    Total 1.37 GB/s (2.6k) 1.63 GB/s (1.5k)

    iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv4):

    Provider | Location (Link) | Send Speed | Recv Speed
    | | |
    Clouvider | London, UK (10G) | 914 Mbits/sec | 926 Mbits/sec
    Online.net | Paris, FR (10G) | 883 Mbits/sec | 917 Mbits/sec
    WorldStream | The Netherlands (10G) | 843 Mbits/sec | 932 Mbits/sec
    Biznet | Jakarta, Indonesia (1G) | 627 Mbits/sec | 328 Mbits/sec
    Clouvider | NYC, NY, US (10G) | 485 Mbits/sec | 514 Mbits/sec
    Velocity Online | Tallahassee, FL, US (10G) | 687 Mbits/sec | 515 Mbits/sec
    Clouvider | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | 18.9 Mbits/sec | 570 Mbits/sec
    Iveloz Telecom | Sao Paulo, BR (2G) | 346 Mbits/sec | 285 Mbits/sec

    iperf3 Network Speed Tests (IPv6):

    Provider | Location (Link) | Send Speed | Recv Speed
    | | |
    Clouvider | London, UK (10G) | 714 Mbits/sec | 899 Mbits/sec
    Online.net | Paris, FR (10G) | 789 Mbits/sec | 913 Mbits/sec
    WorldStream | The Netherlands (10G) | 841 Mbits/sec | 897 Mbits/sec
    Clouvider | NYC, NY, US (10G) | 299 Mbits/sec | 478 Mbits/sec
    Clouvider | Los Angeles, CA, US (10G) | 163 Mbits/sec | 332 Mbits/sec

    Geekbench 5 Benchmark Test:

    Test | Value
    |
    Single Core | 1012
    Multi Core | 1858
    Full Test | https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/9037166

  • edited July 2021

    You are wrong your result are not storage VPS, I am referring T4VPS and HS storage vps performance not virtualization technology performance

  • Daniel15Daniel15 Veteran
    edited July 2021

    @chocolateshirt said: You could get from HostHatch BF more peeformance and very stable network for less than $40 per year

    I've got a VPS with 10TB storage from Hosthatch for $10/month (had to pay $240 for two years upfront, but given they've been around since 2011, this didn't seem like much of a risk). Pretty happy with it. Disk performance isn't as good as some of the other storage VPSes I've got, but for the cost I can't really complain.

    I feel like I won't see any other host that offers 10TB space for that price for a long time, if ever.

    Thanked by 1chocolateshirt
  • DevilDevil Member
    edited July 2021

    1TB HDD
    2GB RAM
    CPU - whatever is in that offer
    ~500GB bandwidth will do
    1 IPv4
    Speed >= 400 Mbps
    Preferably KVM
    Non-unknown and professional provider

    ~20-30 Euro per year (at 2-3 yearly pricing)

    .

  • AXYZEAXYZE Member

    Usually I go for specs like:
    2vCPU ~700 GB5 single (EPYC Zen2/E5 v6) or 1vCPU ~1200 GB5. (E2288G/5950X etc.)
    4GB Ram
    50GB SSD with 10k+ IOPS
    1Gbit 3TB+.

    I also require that provider has floating IP option. Hourly pricing option is a very big plus.
    Apart from that things like good support, high uptime etc.

  • GanonkGanonk Member

    @ezeth said:

    Why not. So something along these lines?

    1 CPU
    10 GB SSD Pure Storage
    1 GB RAM
    100 GB Monthly Transfer
    1Gbps Network Port
    1 Dedicated IPv4 Address
    /64 IPv6 Address
    KVM / Virtualizor Control Panel
    Ability to set reverse DNS
    ONLY $4.25/Year! WOW!!

    Let's create the ideal VPS configuration together guys!

    it is available for me?

  • @ezeth said: It's hard for us providers to guess what kind of offers you want.

    • KVM / VMWare
    • 2GB DDR4 RAM
    • NVMe / SSD - >10GB
    • 1-2 CPU cores (not overshared), with decent unixbench results above 700
    • DDoS Protection out the box
    • 1TB+ traffic
    • 200mbit+ port speed (can be shared)
    • 5-7 usd / mo
  • rcy026rcy026 Member

    Things I usually look for:

    • enough ram
    • ability to set reverse dns
    • enough storage

    Things that I do not really give a shit about:

    • disk speed, I have no need for ssd or nvme. I'd rather take 100GB spinning rust then 25GB nvme
    • cpu, I've never even been close to max out a cpu
    • bandwidth, give me 50Mbit/s with low latency and I'm good

    Of course, it very much depends on what the VPS will be used for, but generally I feel that most people have totally insane demands when it comes to what they actually need.

  • @rcy026 said:
    I feel that most people have totally insane demands when it comes to what they actually need.

    I think you are forgot, we buy a lot of server only to idle..

  • yoursunnyyoursunny Member, IPv6 Advocate
    edited July 2021

    @chocolateshirt said:

    @rcy026 said:
    I feel that most people have totally insane demands when it comes to what they actually need.

    I think you are forgot, we buy a lot of server only to idle..

    You can use our IPv9 VPS to satisfy all your idling needs (out of stock until next summer, but free trial is available).
    It has pre-installed YABS and an "idle" command, which is all you need for idling.
    Use promo code CHOCOLATE-IDLER for double bandwidth.

    Thanked by 1chocolateshirt
  • henixhenix Member

    1cpu
    256 mb ram
    15gb hdd/ssd
    500 gb bw
    .99 usd/m

  • drizbodrizbo Member

    Easy to deploy Kubernetes clusters at LET prices?

  • sonicsonic Veteran

    2 vCore Ryzen
    3 GB Ram
    60GB SSD
    3$/month

    Thanked by 1notarobo
  • @sonic said:
    2 vCore Ryzen
    3 GB Ram
    60GB SSD
    3$/month

    Yes

  • typicalGtaTGtypicalGtaTG Member, Host Rep

    I want

    32 Dedicated vCores
    512GB DDR4 ECC 5000Mhz Memory
    10TB Full NVMe Storage
    Unlimited Bandwidth @ 40gbps (No fair use policy)
    /22 v4 Subnet + /32 v6 subnet

    For under $1/yr
    :)

  • rcy026rcy026 Member

    @chocolateshirt said:

    @rcy026 said:
    I feel that most people have totally insane demands when it comes to what they actually need.

    I think you are forgot, we buy a lot of server only to idle..

    And people still claim to need 1Gb ports and nvme drives? Strange.

    Thanked by 1jsg
  • @rcy026 said:

    @chocolateshirt said:

    @rcy026 said:
    I feel that most people have totally insane demands when it comes to what they actually need.

    I think you are forgot, we buy a lot of server only to idle..

    And people still claim to need 1Gb ports and nvme drives? Strange.

    Why not?

  • ezethezeth Member, Patron Provider
    edited July 2021

    @rcy026 said:

    @chocolateshirt said:

    @rcy026 said:
    I feel that most people have totally insane demands when it comes to what they actually need.

    I think you are forgot, we buy a lot of server only to idle..

    And people still claim to need 1Gb ports and nvme drives? Strange.

    I agree with this. It is just capacity. 100 Mbps and 1000 Mbps is just as fast, just that the 1000 Mbps has more capacity. My VMs usually only uses 1-2 Mbps, and having 100 or 1000 Mbps would not make a difference what so ever

    It's like storage. If you only use 1 GB, what good is having 100GB or 10000GB? It's just more capacity

  • rcy026rcy026 Member

    @ezeth said:

    @rcy026 said:

    @chocolateshirt said:

    @rcy026 said:
    I feel that most people have totally insane demands when it comes to what they actually need.

    I think you are forgot, we buy a lot of server only to idle..

    And people still claim to need 1Gb ports and nvme drives? Strange.

    I agree with this. It is just capacity. 100 Mbps and 1000 Mbps is just as fast, just that the 1000 Mbps has more capacity. My VMs usually only uses 1-2 Mbps, and having 100 or 1000 Mbps would not make a difference what so ever

    It's like storage. If you only use 1 GB, what good is having 100GB or 10000GB? It's just more capacity

    Yeah, I hear you. Of course, it depends a lot on the type and load of the server, but most of my VPS's rarely exceed 20Mb/s in bandwidth and everything is kept in ram, so I really don't see the need for 1Gb ports and nvme drives. I'd much rather take a 50Mb/s connection with low latency and stable storage on whatever medium is cheaper than paying for a lot of performance that I will never use.

    Sometimes I do of course really need high performance servers, but then I usually go dedicated, not low end vps.

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker
    edited July 2021

    Two big problems I see

    • numbers greed - good example: asking for 1 Gb/s minimum ... while in reality not even 100 Mb/s are needed/used. Or asking for 'min. 4 vCores of Zen' when in reality 2 vCores even on an E5-26xx v2 could easily do the job. Plus the other side of numbers greed: not looking at quality. A good example is 2 TB/mo of cheap crap connectivity vs. 1 TB of quality connectivity, another good example is not asking/looking for what 'vCore' means in a given offer.
    • stupidity - In my books it's stupid to ask for ever (significantly) more cores, memory, disk space, traffic volume for the same low amount of $$. Asking for more vCores is particularly stupid without asking what/how much a 'vCore' is. You want double the vCores? Be my guest, I'll simply make them an even smaller part of physical core.

    At the end of the day providing/selling VPS is the same for each and every provider; there's costs for resources (e.g. hardware, connectivity, staff) which need to be recovered plus some profit margin. If someone wants more of anything, e.g. vCores there are only two ways to make that happen, (a) really double the requested resource and ask a higher price -or- (b) make the requested resource physically smaller (e.g. % of real core per vCore) or oversell (or both).

    Important side note: You want your provider to make some profit because if he doesn't products and/or service get worse plus he loses motivation.

    There is no magic bullet and there is only relatively few factors that differentiate any provider from others, like e.g. location (which can have a huge impact on costs), experience (which allows for better service and support and/or using up less resources/staff), level of personal connections in the market, and financial resources.

    Pro tip: the best way to save on VPS is to be realistic and to go for the specs one really needs (as opposed to number greed).

    Personally I repeatedly found NexusBytes / @seriesn to be close to the sweet spot in terms of real performance and service per buck and at relatively low prices. HostSolutions for example may seem to offer the better deal but at the end of the day you get more performance - and reliability! - and better/faster support per $ spent from seriesn, @contabo_m, or @Francisco.

  • yoursunnyyoursunny Member, IPv6 Advocate

    @typicalGtaTG said:
    I want

    32 Dedicated vCores
    512GB DDR4 ECC 5000Mhz Memory
    10TB Full NVMe Storage
    Unlimited Bandwidth @ 40gbps (No fair use policy)
    /22 v4 Subnet + /32 v6 subnet

    For under $1/yr
    :)

    Sure, we can do that when we open our luna location.
    The subnets won't be accessible from earth, but we sell discounted flights to the moon, so that you can go there to access your server.
    Visit our sales office across the street from Starfleet Headquarters, ask for Dean K.

  • ploxhostploxhost Member, Patron Provider

    Chia mining allowed.

  • HA, useful locations and a firewall

  • Really want to see a very low end offers for 3-5/year with the best specs possible.

  • HalfEatenPieHalfEatenPie Veteran
    edited July 2021

    I believe @jsg pretty much nailed it on the head.

    I've been around the block before. We've all seen these threads come up every year/two/whatever.

    This thread is good to know what your customers want and a target pricing they have, but it shouldn't be something you focus on. Customer's end goal is to just get the best service for the lowest cost, that's going against your (as the provider) goal of least amount of resources for the highest price. The market segment you're targeting is the most price sensitive segment (this entire forum was built around 7 dollars as a threshold). But I wouldn't put it on the customers to "gauge" how much of a profit the provider should make, that's on you to decide what your time's worth.

    Let's do a quick rundown on the publicly available information and look at Boomer Host as a case study on what options are available.

    DISCLAIMER: Before you jump in, recognize that these are estimated numbers with information that are publicly available. My estimates could be wrong and this entire analysis can be wrong, but at least this paints a potential picture. Their internal bookkeeping and operations is their own deal. I don't mean any disrespect to anyone. I am simply a person in academia with a calculator and a napkin.

    DEFINING THE SITUATION

    Costs

    1. 300 dollars/1 time - one-time for the logo
    2. 0 dollars/1 time - EOL hardware from "more premium" brand - Dual E5-2640v2 with 1TB RAM, 4x 2 TB SSD in RAID 0
    3. 5,000 dollars/1 time - SEO/advertising budget (Figure 1) (2x 2,500 USD)
    4. 375 dollars/1 time - ClientExec unbranded owned (self-hosted) license with lifetime updates.
      6. 14 dollars/monthly - ClientExec unbranded (self-host) license
      7. 375 dollars/monthly - Colocation (Power, Network, Space) fees (This is a higher number from DataIdeas ColoBay pricing calculator using: 1U, 1 Gbit port speed, no IPs, 1A @ 120V, no redundancy in power. You might be able to get a cheaper/more affordable deal by directly contacting sales.).
    5. 100 dollars/monthly - Colocation (updated pricing data from Boom directly)
      8. 100 dollars/monthly - IP Costs (Assuming renting from someone. This number is just a general number I pulled for a unit cost of 50 dollars per /24. This is a low cost estimate as some target 100 dollars/month or more per /24.)
    6. 20 dollars/monthly - IP Costs (Boom responded with 0.5/year per IP)
    7. 9 dollars/monthly - Virtualizor 1 Node unlimited VPS License
    8. 319 dollars/month - Stripe Charge (30 cents + 2.9% per transaction) (Numbers given based on analysis below, using transaction value to be around 7,125 dollars)


    Figure 1

    Total cost comes down to:
    $5,675 one-time
    $448/monthly (or $5,376/yearly)

    Note: This is a conservative estimate with assumption that decisions were made to reduce initial investment but instead will have you pay a lot over time (leased licenses vs owned licenses). Also, this doesn't factor in taxes, LLC incorporation fees, or anything else that drains money.

    Income

    1. Estimated between 2,989 and 7,125 dollars/year - We know only 1 host node and on Discord numbers were given at 376 VPSs (figure 2). Assuming lowest plan from the first offer (EST 8 dollars/year) to highest plan from the first offer (19 dollars/year). Real answer is somewhere in between. However, I'll use the higher number (7,125 dollars/year) for this analysis as I believe people in the market (being very price sensitive) only see resource available to them and the annual price and sees that as a great value/deal.


    Figure 2

    Fund Balance

    For the first year of operations, we have an estimated -$3,926.

    Assuming all other costs remain static and they don't have any further growth, by the second year we should be at -$10,658. Their expenses are higher than their income by $2,679.

    Updated numbers with new/updated data.

    Assuming all other costs remain static and they don't have any further growth, by the second year we should be at -$2,177. Their fund balance works with a "profit" of $1,749 yearly.

    STRATEGY

    Well in a business there's two directions to take this:

    1. Increase revenue
    2. Decrease costs

    For the purpose of this analysis, I'm assuming costs have already been minimized as much as possible. This is only a single server deployment not factoring in additional costs (e.g. monitoring costs, other software licenses, domain name costs, or management costs from the DC, etc.).

    So only goal is to increase revenue. Their second offer post (July 23rd) shows even cheaper/lower priced plans (256 MB/512 MB RAM VPSes) at 3.5 and 5/year. For the sake of simplifying the problem, only real seen costs per unit (VPS) sold is the cost for the IP. Assuming 2.36 dollars per IP/year (50 dollars a month per /24, 254 usable IPs per /24), the cheapest plan (256MB) of the current offer nets $1.14/year in "profit".

    With updated numbers, 0.5 dollars per IP per year suggests a $3 dollar/year income for the cheapest priced plan.

    Let's say everyone from here on out buys the 5 dollar/year plan, as the higher resources plan has reached it's "peak" after being on the front page for so long. After all, an ad is less effective the longer it just sits there.

    They need to sell around 536 VPSes at the 5 dollar/year mark (not including additional IP costs you need to take on to provided dedicated IPv4) to break even. Actually factoring in additional IP costs will increase that VPS number. That will bring up the number of VPSes on a SINGLE HOST NODE to an estimated 912 VPSes. (This section no longer accurate after direct allocation numbers were given)

    If they decide to purchase a new host node and migrate customers over, then their expenses also doubles. You can probably negotiate a better deal to reduce your per-unit-cost, but even then you'll probably have 200+ VPSes per node with the current projections.

    WHAT DOES THIS RELATE TO THIS THREAD

    @jsg said: Pro tip: the best way to save on VPS is to be realistic and to go for the specs one really needs (as opposed to number greed).

    This is pretty much it.

    Be realistic. If you (the customer) want to give away free money and have a "who has more servers idling" contest then go for it. But if you're expecting this thread to be taken seriously and really want to engage in a conversation on resources commit vs price point, then be realistic with your requests. Different companies have different targets on what they deem as a success. You want your provider to be sustainable so that they're able to continue to provide you those resources and plans long-term. You don't want to keep moving server-to-server and place-to-place. You have to recognize that sometimes getting a sustainable offer means your own time is valued more and you don't have to worry about "Is this updated and maintained?"

    EDIT: This post was updated to reflect the new data Boom directly released publicly over Discord. The numbers shows that BoomerHost is profitable. However, I'll still add that this assumes a $0 in compensation from Boom's own time investment, taxes, and other un-calculated values.

    However, my recommendation is still be realistic with what you expect out of your provider. I'd like for the people I work with to be compensated for their time or else they might:

    1. Exit (sell the clientel and servers to another host who will then increase pricing or slowly phase out the plans. Realistically, I'd say the only major valuable asset here isn't the clients but the IP space)
    2. Continue to thin out the soup

    In my opinion/perspective, you shouldn't be comparing the products outlined here as comparable to something like AWS/GCP/Azure or Linode/DigitalOcean/etc. But rather using the resources others are willing to leave behind to subsidize the operation/costs for the customers who actually use the resources. I believe XVMLabs was also experimenting with this methodology.

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