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  • @Kiwi83 said:

    @Falzo said:

    @thedp said:
    What's with the banana and yellow monkeys? :joy:

    "Banana" might be [...]

    Banana is Cloudflare. Yellow monkeys are people trusting Cloudflare.

    Sometimes Banana trees have no bananas, you should see how all those yellow monkeys become agitated and start screaming on LET for their Banana tree. But for some reason, nobody learns, not even LET admins.

    Thanked by 1yoursunny
  • LEBAdminLEBAdmin Administrator

    @fragpic said:
    Is the attack over?
    It's such a pain to use the forum with CF protection enabled.

    The attacks have been coming and going. No massive spikes but as our rules are in place, the last few they tried had no impact and were caught by the rules. We're easing off rules slowly.

    Thanked by 1fragpic
  • @LEBAdmin said:

    @default said:
    @jbiloh - please remove Cloudflare. They already control a large portion of internet. Let's not give them our beloved LowEndTalk board too. Please use some other CDN, anything but Cloudflare.

    Please suggest another CDN that also provides the WAF/DDoS related features for reasonable prices. We aren't using them due to their CDN capabilities, infact their CDN capabilities aren't as good as a lot of other providers.

    The CF rules are being eased off as the attacks have not returned for 24 hours.

    Cloudflare does have a reasonably priced WAF and firewall which is hard to compete with. Some other providers have insane pricing and bill you on a per request basis, even for requests that have been blocked.

    Thanked by 1LEBAdmin
  • LEBAdminLEBAdmin Administrator

    @stevewatson301 said:

    @LEBAdmin said:

    @default said:
    @jbiloh - please remove Cloudflare. They already control a large portion of internet. Let's not give them our beloved LowEndTalk board too. Please use some other CDN, anything but Cloudflare.

    Please suggest another CDN that also provides the WAF/DDoS related features for reasonable prices. We aren't using them due to their CDN capabilities, infact their CDN capabilities aren't as good as a lot of other providers.

    The CF rules are being eased off as the attacks have not returned for 24 hours.

    Cloudflare does have a reasonably priced WAF and firewall which is hard to compete with. Some other providers have insane pricing and bill you on a per request basis, even for requests that have been blocked.

    Yes, Hopefully other cost effective providers will start emerging in the market. There are plenty of cost effective CDNs out there. We aren't using CF for their CDN though. Infact their CDN is the weakest part of the product, other CDNs are much better.

  • LEBAdminLEBAdmin Administrator

    @default said:

    @Kiwi83 said:

    @Falzo said:

    @thedp said:
    What's with the banana and yellow monkeys? :joy:

    "Banana" might be [...]

    Banana is Cloudflare. Yellow monkeys are people trusting Cloudflare.

    Sometimes Banana trees have no bananas, you should see how all those yellow monkeys become agitated and start screaming on LET for their Banana tree. But for some reason, nobody learns, not even LET admins.

    Still waiting on that list of effective WAF/DDoS mitigation sites that we can use instead at the lower end of the pricing world.. Despite your wonderful banana metaphor.

  • @LEBAdmin said:

    @default said:

    @Kiwi83 said:

    @Falzo said:

    @thedp said:
    What's with the banana and yellow monkeys? :joy:

    "Banana" might be [...]

    Banana is Cloudflare. Yellow monkeys are people trusting Cloudflare.

    Sometimes Banana trees have no bananas, you should see how all those yellow monkeys become agitated and start screaming on LET for their Banana tree. But for some reason, nobody learns, not even LET admins.

    Still waiting on that list of effective WAF/DDoS mitigation sites that we can use instead at the lower end of the pricing world.. Despite your wonderful banana metaphor.

    It's an indication of what the world has become. People like complaining and insulting others, but no one wants to find or help create a solution.

    Thanked by 1LEBAdmin
  • skorupionskorupion Member, Host Rep

    @LEBAdmin said:

    @default said:

    @Kiwi83 said:

    @Falzo said:

    @thedp said:
    What's with the banana and yellow monkeys? :joy:

    "Banana" might be [...]

    Banana is Cloudflare. Yellow monkeys are people trusting Cloudflare.

    Sometimes Banana trees have no bananas, you should see how all those yellow monkeys become agitated and start screaming on LET for their Banana tree. But for some reason, nobody learns, not even LET admins.

    Still waiting on that list of effective WAF/DDoS mitigation sites that we can use instead at the lower end of the pricing world.. Despite your wonderful banana metaphor.

    Google's project shield

  • defaultdefault Veteran
    edited March 2021

    @LEBAdmin said:

    @default said:

    @Kiwi83 said:

    @Falzo said:

    @thedp said:
    What's with the banana and yellow monkeys? :joy:

    "Banana" might be [...]

    Banana is Cloudflare. Yellow monkeys are people trusting Cloudflare.

    Sometimes Banana trees have no bananas, you should see how all those yellow monkeys become agitated and start screaming on LET for their Banana tree. But for some reason, nobody learns, not even LET admins.

    Still waiting on that list of effective WAF/DDoS mitigation sites that we can use instead at the lower end of the pricing world.. Despite your wonderful banana metaphor.

    I do not have such a list. I did not even create such a list. I never mentioned to have such a list.

    However, the fact that you (a LEB/LET Admin), can not come up with a solution, yet you keep a lot of advertisements from LET/LEB market, and can not even dare to ask for an offer from other providers to host LET on their DDoS protected servers, it only displays how short-sighted you can be. People come here asking for all sorts of crazy offers, but you can not offer a LEB/LET advertisement, for a free server to protect this board.

    I shall now leave this topic with a bitter taste in my mouth, looking sadly at the banana tree with screaming monkeys while refreshing other topics of this board. The end is truly nigh.

    Thanked by 2yoursunny skorupion
  • yoursunnyyoursunny Member, IPv6 Advocate

    @default said:
    However, the fact that you (a LEB/LET Admin), can not come up with a solution, yet you keep a lot of advertisements from LET/LEB market, and can not even dare to ask for an offer from other providers to host LET on their DDoS protected servers, it only displays how short-sighted you can be. People come here asking for all sorts of crazy offers, but you can not offer a LEB/LET advertisement, for a free server to protect this board.

    @LEBAdmin needs to ask @SpartanHost for a $48/year plan (4x Ryzen and 4GB RAM) and select 200Gbps DDoS protection ($3/month).

  • LEBAdminLEBAdmin Administrator

    @skorupion said:

    @LEBAdmin said:

    @default said:

    @Kiwi83 said:

    @Falzo said:

    @thedp said:
    What's with the banana and yellow monkeys? :joy:

    "Banana" might be [...]

    Banana is Cloudflare. Yellow monkeys are people trusting Cloudflare.

    Sometimes Banana trees have no bananas, you should see how all those yellow monkeys become agitated and start screaming on LET for their Banana tree. But for some reason, nobody learns, not even LET admins.

    Still waiting on that list of effective WAF/DDoS mitigation sites that we can use instead at the lower end of the pricing world.. Despite your wonderful banana metaphor.

    Google's project shield

    We aren't one of the following:

    • News or journalism
    • Human rights
    • Elections monitoring or information
    • Political organizations of certain countries (access is subject to local law)
  • skorupionskorupion Member, Host Rep

    @LEBAdmin said:

    @skorupion said:

    @LEBAdmin said:

    @default said:

    @Kiwi83 said:

    @Falzo said:

    @thedp said:
    What's with the banana and yellow monkeys? :joy:

    "Banana" might be [...]

    Banana is Cloudflare. Yellow monkeys are people trusting Cloudflare.

    Sometimes Banana trees have no bananas, you should see how all those yellow monkeys become agitated and start screaming on LET for their Banana tree. But for some reason, nobody learns, not even LET admins.

    Still waiting on that list of effective WAF/DDoS mitigation sites that we can use instead at the lower end of the pricing world.. Despite your wonderful banana metaphor.

    Google's project shield

    We aren't one of the following:

    • News or journalism
    • Human rights
    • Elections monitoring or information
    • Political organizations of certain countries (access is subject to local law)

    We aren't electronics information?

  • LEBAdminLEBAdmin Administrator

    @yoursunny said:

    @default said:
    However, the fact that you (a LEB/LET Admin), can not come up with a solution, yet you keep a lot of advertisements from LET/LEB market, and can not even dare to ask for an offer from other providers to host LET on their DDoS protected servers, it only displays how short-sighted you can be. People come here asking for all sorts of crazy offers, but you can not offer a LEB/LET advertisement, for a free server to protect this board.

    @LEBAdmin needs to ask @SpartanHost for a $48/year plan (4x Ryzen and 4GB RAM) and select 200Gbps DDoS protection ($3/month).

    Will reach out to @SpartanHost to see if its a fit for us.

  • LEBAdminLEBAdmin Administrator

    @skorupion said:

    @LEBAdmin said:

    @skorupion said:

    @LEBAdmin said:

    @default said:

    @Kiwi83 said:

    @Falzo said:

    @thedp said:
    What's with the banana and yellow monkeys? :joy:

    "Banana" might be [...]

    Banana is Cloudflare. Yellow monkeys are people trusting Cloudflare.

    Sometimes Banana trees have no bananas, you should see how all those yellow monkeys become agitated and start screaming on LET for their Banana tree. But for some reason, nobody learns, not even LET admins.

    Still waiting on that list of effective WAF/DDoS mitigation sites that we can use instead at the lower end of the pricing world.. Despite your wonderful banana metaphor.

    Google's project shield

    We aren't one of the following:

    • News or journalism
    • Human rights
    • Elections monitoring or information
    • Political organizations of certain countries (access is subject to local law)

    We aren't electronics information?

    I mean, it says elections both on the website and in my post..

  • skorupionskorupion Member, Host Rep
    edited March 2021

    @LEBAdmin said:

    @skorupion said:

    @LEBAdmin said:

    @skorupion said:

    @LEBAdmin said:

    @default said:

    @Kiwi83 said:

    @Falzo said:

    @thedp said:
    What's with the banana and yellow monkeys? :joy:

    "Banana" might be [...]

    Banana is Cloudflare. Yellow monkeys are people trusting Cloudflare.

    Sometimes Banana trees have no bananas, you should see how all those yellow monkeys become agitated and start screaming on LET for their Banana tree. But for some reason, nobody learns, not even LET admins.

    Still waiting on that list of effective WAF/DDoS mitigation sites that we can use instead at the lower end of the pricing world.. Despite your wonderful banana metaphor.

    Google's project shield

    We aren't one of the following:

    • News or journalism
    • Human rights
    • Elections monitoring or information
    • Political organizations of certain countries (access is subject to local law)

    We aren't electronics information?

    I mean, it says elections both on the website and in my post..

    It doesn't hurt to try and apply
    NVM i still can't read...

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @default said:
    ... many products we use in our everyday life are from China - meaning they do business with the whole world - meaning Chinese are NOT racist.

    Uhm? What kind of logic is that? South-Africa a racist country, where former times blacks were often treated like animal, and where nowadays blacks joyfully kill whites did sell to blacks and does sell to whites.

    While I agree that Chinese probably are not more racist than any other people, "X sells to Y" does definitely not mean that X is not racist.

    @LEBAdmin

    Pardon me but that CloudF%&#! "protection" thing must be a cruel joke. Connecting via a (very fast) proxy that could open tens of thousands of connection per second does work fine (besides the crappy CF "we check your browser" farce), but trying to connect via a VPN that couldn't open 100 connection per second (and probably wouldn't do even that because of rate limits) does not work.

    This is getting really annoying.

  • LEBAdminLEBAdmin Administrator

    @jsg said:
    @LEBAdmin

    Pardon me but that CloudF%&#! "protection" thing must be a cruel joke. Connecting via a (very fast) proxy that could open tens of thousands of connection per second does work fine (besides the crappy CF "we check your browser" farce), but trying to connect via a VPN that couldn't open 100 connection per second (and probably wouldn't do even that because of rate limits) does not work.

    This is getting really annoying.

    Message me the IP(s) from your VPN aren't working, I'll get back to you.

    Also, you are assuming that the Proxy provider was part of the problem, and the VPN provider wasn't, or maybe the ASN/IP subnets that the VPN provider uses wasn't part of the problem.

    Thanked by 1jsg
  • skorupionskorupion Member, Host Rep

    @LEBAdmin said:

    @jsg said:
    @LEBAdmin

    Pardon me but that CloudF%&#! "protection" thing must be a cruel joke. Connecting via a (very fast) proxy that could open tens of thousands of connection per second does work fine (besides the crappy CF "we check your browser" farce), but trying to connect via a VPN that couldn't open 100 connection per second (and probably wouldn't do even that because of rate limits) does not work.

    This is getting really annoying.

    Message me the IP(s) from your VPN aren't working, I'll get back to you.

    Also, you are assuming that the Proxy provider was part of the problem, and the VPN provider wasn't, or maybe the ASN/IP subnets that the VPN provider uses wasn't part of the problem.

    How long has this DDoS been going for?

  • LEBAdminLEBAdmin Administrator

    @skorupion said:

    @LEBAdmin said:

    @jsg said:
    @LEBAdmin

    Pardon me but that CloudF%&#! "protection" thing must be a cruel joke. Connecting via a (very fast) proxy that could open tens of thousands of connection per second does work fine (besides the crappy CF "we check your browser" farce), but trying to connect via a VPN that couldn't open 100 connection per second (and probably wouldn't do even that because of rate limits) does not work.

    This is getting really annoying.

    Message me the IP(s) from your VPN aren't working, I'll get back to you.

    Also, you are assuming that the Proxy provider was part of the problem, and the VPN provider wasn't, or maybe the ASN/IP subnets that the VPN provider uses wasn't part of the problem.

    How long has this DDoS been going for?

    Off and on for over a week now. The last few large attacks were mitigated. When our rules turn off, the attacks come back. They are still, as you ask your question, probing the site with smaller attack volumes.

  • skorupionskorupion Member, Host Rep
    edited March 2021

    @LEBAdmin said:

    @skorupion said:

    @LEBAdmin said:

    @jsg said:
    @LEBAdmin

    Pardon me but that CloudF%&#! "protection" thing must be a cruel joke. Connecting via a (very fast) proxy that could open tens of thousands of connection per second does work fine (besides the crappy CF "we check your browser" farce), but trying to connect via a VPN that couldn't open 100 connection per second (and probably wouldn't do even that because of rate limits) does not work.

    This is getting really annoying.

    Message me the IP(s) from your VPN aren't working, I'll get back to you.

    Also, you are assuming that the Proxy provider was part of the problem, and the VPN provider wasn't, or maybe the ASN/IP subnets that the VPN provider uses wasn't part of the problem.

    How long has this DDoS been going for?

    Off and on for over a week now. The last few large attacks were mitigated. When our rules turn off, the attacks come back. They are still, as you ask your question, probing the site with smaller attack volumes.

    Maybe run LET via a VPN for a while. NordVPN supposedly has a DDoS protection. If that's even possible

  • @BunnySpeed - please help LET if you can. Popcorn drama is chasing us all.

  • jsgjsg Member, Resident Benchmarker

    @LEBAdmin said:

    @jsg said:
    @LEBAdmin

    Pardon me but that CloudF%&#! "protection" thing must be a cruel joke. Connecting via a (very fast) proxy that could open tens of thousands of connection per second does work fine (besides the crappy CF "we check your browser" farce), but trying to connect via a VPN that couldn't open 100 connection per second (and probably wouldn't do even that because of rate limits) does not work.

    This is getting really annoying.

    Message me the IP(s) from your VPN aren't working, I'll get back to you.

    Thank you. But makes no sense because it's not one IP but a pool and it's unlikely they'd tell me their IPs.

    Also, you are assuming that the Proxy provider was part of the problem, and the VPN provider wasn't, or maybe the ASN/IP subnets that the VPN provider uses wasn't part of the problem.

    No, it seems that (not only my) VPN provider is the problem. It's quite common to filter out all known VPN ranges and proxy IPs, especially during an attack. Add to that a "there is our country and there is the (utterly unimportant) rest of world" attitude of quite a few us-american companies and it gets ugly quickly.

  • LEBAdminLEBAdmin Administrator

    @jsg said:

    No, it seems that (not only my) VPN provider is the problem.
    It's quite common to filter out all known VPN ranges and proxy IPs, especially during an attack.

    Yes, this is part of the strategies we implemented. More importantly, we blocked, rate limited, and challenged based on the different metrics the attacks came from. Infact, the first action we took was to block TOR networks.

    Add to that a "there is our country and there is the (utterly unimportant) rest of world" attitude of quite a few us-american companies and it gets ugly quickly.

    The attack came from almost every continent except Africa. If the attack came solely from the US, we would've been more restrictive on the US, and let everyone play in the playground freely.

    Thanked by 2jsg skorupion
  • @LEBAdmin said:
    The attack came from almost every continent except Africa [...] let everyone play in the playground freely.

  • Suppose the attack was performed with zombie computers. One possible way to stop the attack is to report them so those zombie computers get cleaned. It will reduce the scale of DDoS attacks. The problem is, can you identify source IPs of attacks from your server log? Can you support your judgment with convincible reasons so the owners of zombie computers will act on your reports? The frequency of requests might not be good enough. You might need to examine your server log for entries with return code 404 first.

  • DPDP Administrator, The Domain Guy

    @chihcherng - Your signature is too short. As per LET rules, it needs to be more than 3 lines.

    Thanked by 1skorupion
  • @chihcherng said: The problem is, can you identify source IPs of attacks from your server log? Can you support your judgment with convincible reasons so the owners of zombie computers will act on your reports?

    This is Cloudflare, so any logs on the server side go missing once you've blocked IPs on the firewall. Of course, there is the "Cloudflare enterprise log service" (or somesuch) but that's a pure money grab scheme by Cloudflare to bill you 4 digit sums for providing logs.

  • LEBAdminLEBAdmin Administrator

    @chihcherng said:
    Suppose the attack was performed with zombie computers. One possible way to stop the attack is to report them so those zombie computers get cleaned. It will reduce the scale of DDoS attacks. The problem is, can you identify source IPs of attacks from your server log? Can you support your judgment with convincible reasons so the owners of zombie computers will act on your reports? The frequency of requests might not be good enough. You might need to examine your server log for entries with return code 404 first.

    We reported a bunch of the worst IPs. Unfortunately a lot of them were from providers which aren't as active or responsive on handling abuse.

  • chihcherngchihcherng Veteran
    edited March 2021

    @thedp said:
    @chihcherng - Your signature is too short. As per LET rules, it needs to be more than 3 lines.

    Yeah, I know that. But I got an error (Cloudflare Ray ID: 6334c4b83ca6eb69) when I was trying to follow the LET rules and adding another 297 lines to my signature. ;)

    Just kidding. I was trying to delete 1 line from my signature (so violate the LET rules even further) and got that error. Other functions work fine.

  • the china hacker is targeting here ?

    Thanked by 1atroxz
  • DPDP Administrator, The Domain Guy

    @natural said:
    the china hacker is targeting here ?

    Don’t know who but please defend us from all sorts of attacks.

    Thanks.

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