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Do you think TorqHost will implement IPv6 in 2013?

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  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran
    edited November 2013

    OK, I see that my original post is taken too literally:

    Maounique said: You are forgetting a very important cost.

    Can you imagine how much HARDER it will get for the police to find the terrorists and child molesters over IPv6 ? Not to mention how much harder will get for the automated settlement bots for torrenters ? How big will get the dat access logs storing those IPv6 for months ? Not that the governments will care, but you can imagine DCs not being too keen to begin storing those logs too...
    The GFW is already choking under the load of filtering so many IPv4 and IPv6 of those ASNs, can you imagine how hard it will be when someone will build a censorship circumventing layer over the IPv6 only ? That will use random IPs AND ports ?
    Can you imagine the Italian police which raids private houses of datacenter operators because one of their assigned IPs was infringing IP rights managing with IPv6 addresses ? The judges giving out blackhole court orders on IPv6 ?
    How about NSA and their "safer internet" non-profit operation ?
    No, my dear William, IPv6 is for hackers and criminals, not for legitimate people, who would need to use IPv6 when IPv4 is so cheap yet ? Only people that try to hide in a much larger ocean, IPv6 will never be legit, people which have nothing to hide are perfectly OK with IPv4 and NAT.

    It was meant to be a pamphlet, not really a technical discussion even though there are some serious technical aspects there, but lets ignore them for once and see the meaning:

    1. The perception in political elites is that the internet is a threat because cannot be controlled well enough with the laws we have now. IPv6 will inevitably be seen as one more loophole for criminals and dissidents to rear their ugly heads in anonymity. True or false, many will think that way if not already, because the secret services will come to ask for more money to "defend against IPv6" threats.
    2. The perception in the Business sector is that IPv4 worked and is working, why invest now when we can postpone it, let others do the work and create the market, we will do it when everyone did it already as long as we dont lose anything. And this is from the people that know what it is.
      The others will simply say it is another trick from the IT sector to ask for more money, like they dont get enough already and the damned things still dont work.
    3. The perception of the law people is that Internet is already too complicated and full of thieves and scams and they will have to learn even more dry stuff and ask even more experts and stuff... So they will call their friends in parliaments to halt it as much as possible, at least till "we get the current internet under control".

    Now, to the technical part.
    It is true there wont be much of a change at first sight, however, it will cost to train people to operate it, it will cost to train spies or hire more contractors for the spying agencies, it will add up to the costs of every provider, true, not much, but something, if the theoretical losses do not outweigh the costs (and the theoretical losses can be quantified in many ways some will see the reason to act now some many years in the future), there wont be a push for it.
    It is also much easier to make a mesh over IPv6 that will circumvent any censorship scheme, the network can have much more space to fluctuate and adapt, including bridge with the future city meshes and create full anonymity, so, even the people that know what it is will have reasons to fear it will cost way more than now to fight it with even less chances to succeed.

    And about the attacks, well that didnt mean DDoS and friends, was the personal attacks, did you actually read my post ?

  • A sentence as:

    Manunique said: The GFW is already choking under the load of filtering so many IPv4 and IPv6 of those ASNs

    CAN only be taken literally. It's a factual statement. Don't be silly.

  • Hi
    
    Most probably it will be ready in january. we have unfortunately too many more urgent task to complete before.
    
  • Estonia

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