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The "New" great debate: Centos "alternative"
Cross posted from the "Other forum" since both community can equally benefit:
As most of you already read/heard/been told that centos is "Dead" (or not, depends on your perspective), I hope this thread can turn into a great resource for those, who in the near future will be googling "Centos alternative" or "Best centos alternative".
Note: Please don't turn this thread into an "E-Pen or my Momma is better than yo Momma contest"
So far, here are the options for those who are looking to migrate without reinstall/rebuild :
- Oracle Linux: https://linux.oracle.com/switch/centos/
- Cloud Linux "Community edition": https://blog.cloudlinux.com/announcing-open-sourced-community-driven-rhel-fork-by-cloudlinux
- Rocky Linux: Created by the original centos founder (https://rockylinux.org/)
Point to be noted, both OL and CL are for profit companies and may or may not pull an IBM. RL founder did initially sell Centos to RHEL.
The followings are also an option, if you are looking to forget about Rhel, like it was that EX, you had great time with, but don't want anything to do with anymore.
- Debian (supported by a decent amount of current softwares) and
- Ubuntu (Supported by decent amount of commercial control panels, including Cpanel, announcing their future plan
What do you think? Share your expert/non expert opinions below. Feel free to share your pushup videos ( @yoursunny ) as well. Looking forward towards some exciting and interesting conversation/healthy debate.
If in doubt, simply blame and sue @deank and only sue @deank cause @deank has been saying since last year, End is neigh. Look at 2020.
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Everyone should switch to Ubuntu LTS or Debian Stable.
I do not use RHEL derivatives because, as a geocacher, the word "DNF" has a negative meaning.
Push-ups solve all the problems. Serve push-up videos from all your VPS. Never leave a VPS idle again!
Any kind of CentOS: SCAM_DONT_BUY.
Don't sue @deank.
Sue Trump.
RL? Rocky Linux?
Updated verbiage.
https://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/comment/3177070/#Comment_3177070
(The RL founder was no longer involved with CentOS when it was acquired by Red Hat.)
Interesting bit from Wikipedia (I stand corrected).
Debian, thanks.
CentOS Stream YOLO
This situation taught many to have an alternative. I also got one similar lesson two weeks earlier.
FreeBSD. Thanks.
Is the switch really that simple from Cent/deb to bsd environment?
Rocky is a future option that does not exist as of today. In theory it'll be "like the old pre-IBM CentOS" but it's vaporware at present.
OpenBSD. Thanks.
Though I run a lot of Debian, too.
For my own set up:
Ubuntu for KVM nodes
Cloudlinux for cpanel
Ubuntu 20 for directadmin
FreeBSD for everything else
Depends a lot on what you use it for.
Common software like apache, nginx, postfix etc runs just as good if not better on BSD. The downside is no support from panels like DA and cpanel, and some cutting edge software usually shows up on linux first.
I use both and they both have their merits, altough I still sometimes just get fascinated over how organized and clean BSD is compared to most linux.
And one point is ultimately depends on what web hosts also decide to offer out of the box image wise
i.e. regarding Oracle Linux 8
maybe that would change by 2024 ?
Actually, we've supported FreeBSD since 2003. We still do, but that might change because nobody is ordering it. Less than 1 in 1000 licenses are for FreeBSD.
See that's one of the things I hate about a control panel or anything that supports every Linux (or *nix) distribution under the kitchen sink.
You may not be spending a lot of time - but you're spending at least some time on insuring that DA works with FreeBSD - and for very few people.
... but at the same time, I was a proponent of you dropping Debian support and staying just with RHEL/CentOS/CloudLinux ... and now that may need to be reversed.
Of course... it's easier to drop support for something when it hasn't been around for as long as DirectAdmin has. How do you just cut off long time FreeBSD users of DirectAdmin?
Hindsight is always 20/20 - but probably a good point of education to not open yourself up so much until you can accurately gauge just how much interest there is in a direction. One person clamoring for FreeBSD support, doesn't mean you should drop everything and work on supporting it for that one person, because then you're going to leave yourself in a potential development crunch later down the road.
@sparek All good points. In fairness, FreeBSD was a good enough seller (profitable) for a certain period of time but it certainly has dwindled in the last few years. It was never a great seller, but there was enough interest that we have no regrets about it.
I agree it is most efficient to just pick one OS, but then it's putting all your eggs in one basket. I think 2-3 OS choices is a good safety net. We've supported Debian/Ubuntu for over a decade, and there is a pretty good amount of people using it, so there is no reason to drop it.
We are derailing the thread a bit here -- I just noticed the comment about no BSD support and thought I'd maybe surprise people by how long we've supported it.
I would guess it's because Linux's network stack has considerably matured over the past decade (when you consider investment by big tech like FB into Linux networking), and FreeBSD's main virtue was it's legendary network stack at the time (critical for high load webhosting), which is now diminishing in relative terms.
I should probably get back into FreeBSD now that KVM is the new norm.
Thanks for being responsive to the community.
Oracle Linux, forge that! they want your registration and birth certificate.
I decided to go with Ubuntu 20 for directadmin in the end, but it was between that and FreeBSD. I wanted ZFS which both support well with FreeBSD having a slight edge for easier on zfs on root - but it came down to cgroups vs resource limits and bubble wrap vs ugidfw and Ubuntu won out. If bubblewrap hadn't been added in I would have chosen FreeBSD.
FreeBSD (faster, leaner), Debian (main competitor, Ubuntu-users-friendly). All RH-based will be in IBM greedy hands, so I'll prefer avoid them.
Fedora Server is nice
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/12/centos-linux-is-gone-but-its-refugees-have-alternatives/?amp=1
But I agree, if you are able, just move to Debian/Ubuntu!
You surprised me. Granted, I do not use such panels, but I've been a borderline fanatic BSD advocate for 20 years and I had no idea you supported it, it surprises me that I was not aware of this.
More nuisance than real problem. FOSS-community will create a few centos-like offsprings with the same goal: having something like "RHEL without subscription". Over following years they will converge to one or two the most viable projects, and RH will be facing the same situation again...
Using Fedora Server on some VM’s. Quite stable and fast.
But I have to admit, I had to reinstall two VM’s and switched to Debian. I have been switching to Debian the past year. This is just an extra push to totally forget about CentOS.
Our future DirectAdmin nodes will be on Debian.
I'm using it for my personal servers anyway, so I'm betting on familiarity.
I would wait for confirmation from cloudlinux that they will support it. Maybe they already do and im mental.
Personally I expected IBM to sell Redhat to Microsoft and they use that for a base for Lindows.
Francisco