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I commend @SpartanHost for honoring the constitution ("free speech"). And YES the constitution is way more important than SJWs feeling hurt if someone says something they don't like.
The constitution is the highest law of the land, period.
there are limitations to freedom of speech. It is not censorship when people and companies choose who they associate/conduct business. There is not a universal right and requirement for all companies to accept all customers.
The only limitations should be threats of physical violence. (In b4 shouting fire in crowded theater) Companies don't have to run their companies using free speech ideals. They have the right to choose on who to do business with. However some good companies like BuyVM and SpartanHost choose to protect those free speech ideals. I support SpartanHost's decision to NOT bow to media pressure and the twitter mob. QAnon is a retarded conspiracy if you know the origins of it all. Hotwheels, Jim Watkins, Gamergate, 8Chan, 4Chan, etc. But if we banned all the retarded stuff on the Internet...it would be a shell of its former self. I'd rather have freedom online with some trash mixed in than some fake Twitter world where bad thoughts are censored by the thought police. Just look at Twitter censoring all the high profile accounts over the Hunter story. If you want a highly censored Internet because you can't handle meanie words, than you're a pathetic person in my opinion.
Thank you @SpartanHost for not bowing down to the SJW mob!
Keep up the good work!
@theblackesthat twitter is not the hill to die on when discussing free speech when its not the gov't forcing removal of items. From a strictly business point of view many of these sites are just asinine to deal with and create a possibility of economic damage to ones own brand if supporting them with services. To each their own, but it isnt a free speech argument. The free speech comes into play with government agency forcing a company to not provide services- then you can argue free speech in court all day. A corp bowing to public pressure is dealing with groupthink and group censorship. But it is not a free speech debate unless its the government forcing a capitulation
What is law all about? One vital factor is general equality that is, the desire and guarantee that everybody is treated equally under the law. And that is what SJWs do not accept; they want their feelings to be the decisive criterion - which goes against the very idea of general equality and hence against the very idea of law.
If someone can't cope with others having opinions and views one doesn't like, one should either get grown up or find a country with a dictatorship to ones liking - the latter of which the SJW are trying to turn the USA into, btw.
The constitution is the highest law of the land, period.
@jsg I can scream at you and get 10,000 people to scream at you online to remove content - but you dont have to- its your right. Court finds it offensive and orders it down and you are in their jurisdiction- well then you can argue free speech all day long (which you would do at a fair and just trial anyway). Opinions are not free speech first amendment issues- government intervention is.
So, now where will all the Village idiots congregate?
Ah yes, Russia, home of Free speech and personal liberty.
That doesn't change the fact that the constitution is the highest law of the land. And I'm perfectly fine with a court that respects the constitution (as opposed to some partisan kangaroo courts) to order me to take down something.
Btw, I personally would even consider to take something down if a large number of people would provide me reasonable arguments. Example: Say someone posted something making fun of raped women and many people would complain to me and tell me how this hurts raped women. In such a case I'd probably come to the conclusion that some peoples right to have a good laugh weighs less than the right of raped women not to be hurt (again). IF that would be presented in a reasonable way and not screaming, cursing, and accusing me of who knows what, or in other words, one should not expect a reasonable reaction when screaming and cursing unreasonably. Unfortunately that's the typical MO of SJW's however.
It seems you are quite comfortable here.
Btw, besides Navalny, who is a nothingburger in Russia as the recent elections clearly demonstrated, and some other deranged people who exist in every country the Russians seem to feel just fine in their beautiful country.
-> nothingburger
@SirFoxy
Yes, that's what he is. He just seems to be the oh so hot and powerful anti-Putin candidate because that's how western media paint him.
The reality though is that his party got less votes in Russia than a well groomed cat would get. It seems that the Russians are not stupid after all.
("nothingburger" is a word I learned from watching and reading american news and I like it)
It’s pathetic how the “accepting and tolerant left” resort to riots and cancel culture to shutdown any thoughts that they disagree with. Those who scream the loudest about stopping fascism are the fascists themselves for silencing others
Are we still discussing about 8kun? Because that image board is well known for extremism, agitation for violence and something called Q movement. Did you ever saw 8kun/8chan? It is filthy, very dark and angry place.
I didn't even know what 8kun was. I was only aware of a site called 8chan.
Visited 4chan a decade ago and walked away rubbing my eyes.
It's in global news now.
If that were true then Putler would let Navalny participate in erections instead of removing him every time, or not try and kill him with chemical weapons. Russians might not be stupid but they sure seem neutered when it comes to their rights. Tho that is slowly changing now.
Papa knows best. Now drink the tea before half-life3.
Putin does allow Navalny's party to participate in elections ... but the Russians don't vote for them.
"not kill him with chemical weapons" - I suggest you learn about basic logic and verification of allegations before engaging.
Hint: Novichok is a bio-weapon that is deadlier than Sarin. If Navalny really had been exposed to Novichok he would have dropped dead within minutes. And btw, why should Putin have him killed in the first place? After all Navalny's utter and total political irrelevance had just been proven by his parties extremely poor election results.
Yep, the news.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/oct/19/far-right-online-forum-8chan-loses-internet
For the sake of fairness: well, it seems that some (like Hamas or 8chan/8kun) do not really have many choices left ...
Btw: No, I'm not defending 8xxx (nor Hamas). What I defend is their right to speak their mind. And we all have the liberty to simply ignore them (as I happened to do after my first and only visit when I perceived 8xxx as a steaming pile of sh_t).
It’s rather unfortunate that’s happening. If any political party, or person for that matter, actually cared about being in an open society they should revisit fundamental principles of an open and free society.
It reminds me of an internet meme I saw recently, which unfortunately I can’t find it right now, but it was about the “accepting and tolerant left”...
The left said that Trump was going to make America burn... a few years later the left have decided to do it themselves. To call any of the protests (limited exceptions) “peaceful” or even “mostly peaceful” is absurd. Assaulting others, burning buildings, attacking cars & property, chasing people down, etc is not anywhere close to peaceful.
Make no mistake, I am all for a proper & open, peaceful protest that is actually peaceful, but you don’t see this often anymore in society. It’s quite disheartening that it’s come to this, I still have high hopes for the future and the possibility free speech will still exist and not be “cancelled”.
Cancel culture is cancer. If you've ever signed up for MXroute @techhelper1, please do your favorite thing: cancel.
@SpartanHost just gained a lot of popularity points with me, and I don't even know what's on 8chan or 8kun these days but it sounds like these guys follow legal requests instead of retweets.
@jsg i won't argue with you because you're clearly indoctrinated by RT/sputnik or whatever propaganda tool Kremlin has. xD
I can smell the TLC show from here.
Francisco
@jar I wouldn't use you or any other no-name email solution anyway based on trust and security factors alone, so I'm not sure what the point was in that statement.
Yes it is, but it does not mean it is/was morally correct. (Slavery, Women's Rights Movement, etc)
Since you don't have the balls to say this on a public form (like what 8Chan/8Kun is), and DM me this instead, I'll make it public.
Response: Words don't bother me, but when crime is manifested on the platform, and innocent people are killed because of it, that I will have a problem with.
One may follow the "Law of the Land" when it comes to DMCA requests, but when law enforcement comes after you in the home land, good luck.
You just have to know what your rights are and can actually read over whatever court orders you're given.
At least for us my stance is simple. I'll defend you to the limits of the law your service resides in. If you do something absolutely illegal within those borders then I have no leg to stand on to help you.
Past that I have no problems arguing with 3 letter ORGS about their requests if I feel they're unjust.
That's what law of the land means. It isn't some McColo bullshit where you're running an offshore bulletproof malware childporn shop while inside the USA and everything is A-OK.
It should mean the host isn't going to face plant the second someone with a badge shows up at their door.
Francisco
Typical left, blame a huge community or group of people for one idiots action. If we cancelled everything after someone said an offensive thing that one person felt offensive, we wouldn’t exist as a society with anything.