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Question for you low end providers who advertise on here...
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Of course we do, it takes away from my BMW driving time. [/sarcasm]
Nothing new, just some of the LEB providers comments that prove my point below which Aldryic quotes and sais it is not backed up by any facts and also insulting that I make such claims.
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You said that козочка, not me. If you're going to quote, at least do it properly.
You may have noticed I also said the following (pay special attention to the second paragraph):
The only point I've seen is on top of your head (Dunce cap, pointed cone, get it?)
I really wish there was an ignore button at LET, you just make my brain hurt with the non-sense that drivels out of you. I do admit you have a right to your views, but I have a right to not see them, so I will certainly try harder ignoring you.
And don't forget to have the tank full next month for my turn with it!
I can quote only the relevant chunks too!
I ____ insult anyone, it looks like that is the case ____ ___ _____ I had in another thread. ___ ________ cant be bothered to ______ _________ __ _______ _______, ____ ____ ____ ___ ____ ___ ____ _____ ___ ______ ______ __ ___ ___ ___ ___ ______ __ rule out ______ ________ __ ____ the potential of _________ ____ ____ __ complaints (__ that is true __ ___, __ ________ _________), __ ___ __ _______ _________ which pose problems ___ _____ _______.
____ __ nothing else ____ ____ ____ said, _______, ____ ___________ ________.
Isn't it very easy to just use encrypted torrent traffic?
Encrypting torrent traffic does not help when MediaSentry sends out a blanket DMCA because your IP is listed as a peer/seed.
I did quote whole paragraphs, not single words. In general, providers did say they cant afford to put up with complaints and as such they ban selected services and customers, either in ToS or after the first complaints, and if there are more complaints, more services are banned in the ToS.
That happens because the margins are low and they dont have the resources to afford legal representation or dont want to lose time, sleep, resources for "basket cases" of cheap ass customers which believe they can run any service on a cheap VPS.
This is what I said and this is what they said, so I dont see where is the problem, we all agree this is a market for slow boxes, oversold and for ocasional use that doesnt warrant 1GB RAM, 100 GB HDD and 3 TB a month.
It is for hobbysts, for testers, for admins to bomb their own nets, for ppl to get their hands into a system without much risk involved, VPNs into other countries to access restricted content or to twart the school firewall, etc. It also serves a purpose ecologically, it saves energy and hardware as well as BW the ppl would use otherwise at home much less efficiently.
I never said anything else and I dont expect anyone to go to lenghts to defend my rights for 1.5 $ a month, nor I expect uninterrupted service, or a refund if it goes down either temporarely or permanently. In the Tor thread I didnt (neither here) fight against the right of any provider to forbid anything, I was just upset to be considered a child molester (95%) or at least not 100% legit because I value my privacy rights. This is in a place setup by an anonymous person...
I never thought someone will consider I am insulting them because I restate in short what they stated and motivated in lenght some place else. Especially since I agree with that...
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If you're referring to the LEB market, then no. That may be your personal opinion, but by no means do us honest providers agree with you.
Accurate quotes do not upset people. Your unfounded assumptions about our market and livelihood are the insult. Here's an exact quote for you:
Restating does not mean to play word exchange to suit your needs. Point in case: nobody called you a child molester. I encourage you to quote the exact post where someone did so.
I think you've done enough tarnishing a potentially good service's reputation with your attitude. It's patently obvious now that you simply ignore anything that you cannot answer without a generalization, so why don't you just STOP making assumptions about things you have no direct experience in so we can all move on?
I do have direct experience, with the good and the bad. It is what I expect here and while there are ppl that try to offer more, as you or others pointed out, if I want quality service I rent a server or go for a 50K plan. That will provide me with some things I cant get on LEB market.
I am not tarnishing any reputation since there is none. As you know Tor is used to push pedo traffic, I know the LEB market is full of frauds and incompetents. The fact there are some legit businesses which try to hold a high standard, doesnt mean the rest of "95%" are not scams.
You use these arguments, but you dont like it when others use them ?
Tough luck, just stop make asumptions, and put everyone in the same bucket, or just make asumptions and ignore the answers, everything will be perfect as before.
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You might have experience as a client. I highly doubt you have experience as a professional host.
An apt comparison. However, you left out the part where we don't villainize every user over the actions of a few, and recognize that the majority of the traffic is legitimate and innocent. You, however, seem to be as unbiased as a Klansman.
Actually no, I'm thrilled that you're copying my own points. That's far more productive than watching you stumble through trying to come up with valid data on your own. Now we just need to get you to do more than put your fingers in your ears and yell "BECAUSE BECAUSE BECAUSE", and we'll be all set.
+1. Trying to exchange info with a wall hasn't been this frustrating since we specialized in MMO hosting. I don't think this kid even reads before he posts.
You dont villanize all users, just 95% are into porn and pedophiles, the rest in very sketchy sites also. You want to quote again, or no need ?
The facts are still there, can always quote again if you "forgot".
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Yes, I want you to quote exactly where I said that. Just how I quoted you here, not with "oh you said this". Or if you can't figure that out, provide a link to the post where I said it.
Want quotes about the pedo traffic too ? I can give.
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Yes, I forgot that 95% of my customer base are pedo and porn mongers, with the other 5% being sketchy. Post your source for this "fact"
Good job, you quoted Fran mentioning that 95% of traffic through a monitored exit node was regular porn (when did I ever mention we had issues with legal porn?).
Let's try this again:
When I said you, I meant the providers, I am one of the last generations that studied mostly French at school, sorry. OK, we continue:
If you're that worried about security, use SSL and VPNs. Don't try to push pedo traffic.
Need more ?
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I would like source for you to give it the rank of fact. Quoting other members of the community, or yourself hardly elevates anything to fact.
Meh, will you just stop this Tor crap?
Yup. Read a couple of posts past there where I told @breton and the other chap "Now I know two [legitimate users]".
I'm still waiting for you to address a couple of other points as well. Namely:
As well as:
And since it's very obvious that this isn't going to actually go anywhere due to your failure to consider any viewpoint but your own (what a surprise), I'll just leave you with this:
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I think this statement alone determines how credible you are and the statements you've made.
Just so you know... "big corporations" would have to spend a lot of money just to take someone to court. They don't do it unless it threatens the "big corporation's" profit dramatically or they figure they can gain a larger amount of money when they win the case.
On a realistic note though... if any of your points were at all valid; the LEB/LET community would have already taken notice. And the fact that companies like QuickWeb, RamHost, BuyVM, Hostigation, SecureDragon, and other reputable LEB/LET hosts are still here with their reputation untarnished should only lead you to the conclusion that they are handling all aspects of their business well... including their abuse departments.
It's not like these guys just started yesterday... come on.
That is not what i said, I quoted the providers, check my post more carefully. They were using that **** to justify the restrictions they put on customers. Now it loses all importance, no ? :P
I am not to blame you know only "sketchy" ppl, however this does not mean you can consider everyone in the same bucket.
I am not your friend, as such you can accept I could be among those that use Tor for 100% legit reasons ? You accepted there are 2 of them already, we made some progress.
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From what I read, it was a load of BS; so I couldn't be bothered wasting my time. But I will say this...
None of their customers are complaining, in fact... their customers love their service. The restrictions are there to protect their company and their consumers. Why should you be the one who determines whether their restrictions are justified or not?
If what you wanted to host, is restricted on that particular provider... move along and look for another. I don't see what your point is or what you're trying to say; it's just a whole load of blah blah blah, BS BS BS.
Nope, it isn't, what you said was
I'm still waiting for verifiable facts to be quoted. Not quotes of your's or other users.
I dont know what you mean. I was referring at the insults providers made up to justify their shortcomings. As such, the facts are those insults, I quote them again here, because they say it didnt happen.
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This is just getting better and better.
So not only have you insulted the providers for adhering to their own Terms of Service, but you're now also insulting clients.
I legally pay for my legally services, which I host legal content on.
Honestly, the providers have explained their reasons for disallowing Tor on their networks.
They haven't stated they're /against/ tor, infact, @Aldryic stated he'd be willing to donate to a Tor Server network; shouldn't you be appreciative, in that respect?
It's not the fact that Tor can potentially bring abuse that's the problem, as you've stated, so can standard web servers. The problem is your attitude and how you're dealing with the criticism.
By throwing around insults and trying to manipulate words to seemingly make you look 'better' is just plain childish. Stop digging your hole.
I'll actually have to agree with @Maounique here, but that does not include the hosts which are frequently listed as the top 3 etc.
Anyway the only legit use i can think of for tor is the opposition in countries with a strict internet control, and those people would be better off with just using a VPN or a SSH proxy.
I never said their service is a problem. If you cant read, I am sorry, but this this doesnt give them the right to insult a lot of volunteers and users. We didnt receive any apologies, instead they try the lynch-mob of tons of ppl that cant read but come for an easy kill
It wont work, I am still waiting for apologies, untill then, i am free to insult in the same manner. They say Tor users and volunteers are 95% in illegal stuff, I can say the same about the LEB providers, and it seems that the high rate of failures and scams gives some cover to that, and no need more right ? It is enough so have some bad apples and, voila, 95% is the same... Same logic, they dont like it now, hehe :P
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