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I agree, you get dedis for that price - though the ryzen is 10 bucks difference for me, because no VAT with either of them and only half the disk as you mentined already ;-)
with my use cases I'd also rather take a dedi, however if you look at other reliable providers in the vserver market, there seems to be demand for that kind of biggies and compared to that I'd still conider it a beast...
like ramnode charge $40 for 4c/8G/160G or a slice 3c/12G/240G is even $45 ;-)
at a slightly higher cost, but yes... it would have been kind of sliced already for you haha.
I guess we'll see that one before christmas again.
Yes, but this isn't a storage VPS! It's a high-end CPU + RAM VPS that has a decent amount of storage.
There are advantages to having a high-end VPS over a dedi: RAID 10; in practice, no worries about a disk dying (because the provider is doing the monitoring). And, as @Falzo points out, the pricing is competitive in the category of high-end VPSes.
The biggest -- perhaps only -- negative point is the lack of nested virt.
Fully agreed and in general, there's really very good value from the Netcup team in terms of what they provide : specs-to-price ratio is really nice.
And yes, it's nice to not have to think about disks - in essence at this config level, it is like a managed dedi in that they managed everything for you and as a user you can focus on idling the beast.
I do think the Black Pearl equivalent (Root Server, 4 Cores, 32GB RAM, ~1TB SSD RAID 10) at roughly €20 (annualized) is a great deal compared to this one. It's either 6 cores + ~500 GB Disk or 4 cores + ~1TB Disk and in my view 4c + 1TB is a better bargain.
I tend to think so as well. I think at these price ranges (>~€15), there's not that much competition to snag them (unlike their €1.79 VPSs with 40TB of traffic!)
I only wish, they provided an initial lock in period of 6months after which it would flip to a monthly contract - sometimes it is hard to commit to a whole year in advance when one isn't sure of the usage.
Anyway there's really no competition value wise for what Netcup offers - I don't think anyone else is able to compete at their level in terms of what they offer (price/reliability).
Anything now :O?
Nothing interesting today.
Today is real life swag day in Netcup.
Never knew they sold things like that
https://www.netcup.de/bestellen/produkt.php?produkt=2519
Not understanding German I thought the descriptions meant the you paid for a year but could cancel after 6 months.
I ordered the 4.76 yearly web hosting offer last year and they sent me an invoice for a whole year, so I assumed I had to pay for the year in advance, but could cancel anytime after the 6th month and get a refund.
Dec 16 2019:
https://www.netcup.de/bestellen/produkt.php?produkt=2526
Reseller web hosting 1000 ADV19
Our smallest reseller web hosting tariff has also made it into this year's advent calendar. This entry-level tariff for reselling cloud web hosting still has a lot to offer.
Features
Entry-level tariff for reselling cloud web hosting
Professional features such as free SSL certificates, SSH access,
individual PHP settings, execution of cron jobs possible
5 customers can be created + 5 IP addresses (IPv6) included
50 GB SSD redundant cloud storage
50 domains can be created
€ 2.49 per month
I haven't yet looked at the web hosting offer, but as far as the RS 8000 was concerned, yes, the contract was for 12 months, paid in two installments (the first 6 months at the beginning, then the second 6 months after 6 months).
Too bad they don't accept direct credit card payment.
Latest deal .ch domain 5.28EUR/yr.
https://www.netcup.de/bestellen/produkt.php?produkt=2527
Anyone know if this is recurring price per year on subsequent renewals? The English translation notes “The discount applies permanently for the entire term,” which seems like maybe yes, but wasn’t sure.
yes it's recurring.
Thanks, I picked one up. Although hard to tell if a .ch domain is taken, and I’m not sure if the order validated/checks or not, but I guess I’ll find out after they review the order...
Today's special 23rd December is a good one if anyone is interested!
4xIntel® Xeon® Gold 6230 dedicated cores
16GB DDR4 ECC RAM
240 GB SSD and RAID10
10.99 Euros.
https://www.netcup.de/bestellen/produkt.php?produkt=2533
I was wondering how does this compare to phpfriends winter offer? In terms of resources? Thnx
Those aren't dedicated cores - the netcup ones are.
Hmm, yes. I see that now. How does cpu compare? Thnx
The netcup CPU is very good. PHPFriends is selling slow and old CPU.
Dedicated cores mean one can use them 100% without issues? How much is a dedicated core typically in terms of an actual cpu core? Thnx
Absolutely. Can confirm that.
I am becoming more and more suspicious of what these cores actually mean.
Dedicated means that the cores should be idle if a user is not using much CPU.
I don't know how much these CPUs cost, but 4 cores each on a 20 core system means means a maximum of 55 euro a month per CPU. How many months of services does it take to pay for a CPU? If a core means a thread that makes it 110 euro a month which makes more sense
I see them at over $2000 on Amazon though I guess bulk buyers can get them cheaper and Intel may have to accommodate price pressure from AMD unless they are still unable to meet demand.
Surely there must be some standard definition of a core they are going by, which must be based on some artificial definition based on older slower CPUs.
When I observe the industry I am beginning to suspect that there are some companies who need higher end CPUs for unspecified purpose and devote excess capacity for hosting or use hosting as a means to cover expenses relating to some other more profitable tasks they use these CPUs for.
No, it means that the cores are available for you when you need them. No guarantees for specific cores, and they are certainly not idling when not used by you ;-)
Indeed. They're dedicated vCores (threads), not dedicated physical cores: the vCores aren't pinned to physical cores.
If someone wants dedicated physical cores, they should get a dedicated server.
I'm sure that you're capable of doing a little point-by-point comparison yourself, aren't you?
In terms of value for euro, I think that this netcup special (available only today!) beats PHP-Friends' winter special, but note that the netcup special has a 12-month commitment, whereas PHP-Friends' winter special has a 6-month commitment. The question is also whether one needs the extras afforded by the netcup special. If not, the advantage remains more theoretical than practical.
In any case, the netcup special is already sold out!
At first, it's not 20 cores, it's 40 threads. So, you get 4 dedicated threads, in total of 40. Secondly, they are obviously do some kind of overselling, just not a heavy one. I suppose they do meter their nodes and it is impossible for all of the clients using 100% of their cores 24/7, so, there is always room for some overselling. They just move a client to a more free node, when they see that he tend to use all the power 24/7, as every hosting provider does.
Big companies like Netcup will buy servers and components in much lower price than the retail prices because they buy in bulk, so, they won't buy it in a price of $2000 but, usually, much much less.
The cores (threads) are not pinned to a client, but the power of each thread is there in whole when needed. I have made several stress tests and benchmarks and the results are exactly what I expected to be, according the single thread benchmark of the cpu type. And some tests stressed the cpu for more than 24 hours (heavy video HD encoding for broadcast purposes). So, they really give you the full thread power, as they advertise them.
Naturally, I agree with you completely -- I just gave a less comprehensive reply.
Also, the minor overselling of threads (we don't know how much overselling) can work because mining is prohibited. If everyone tried to mine 24/7, then the minor overselling wouldn't work.
so....any bench?
I'll post a bench of an older server with Gold 6140 CPU. The vps itself has 4 cores (threads) dedicated, but the bench is from a container I created inside the netcup vps. I have installed Proxmox and created some LXC containers, this one is the bigger one on the vps with access to 3 out of 4 cores.
COU passmark is 23964, has 18 cores x2 threads, 36 threads. Each thread is 665 on passmark, theoretically.
And the cpu of the node is:
Oos
As from the last one, the benchmarks are around 2k.
Nothing more to be expected at that pricings.
Single thread perf. is equal to a N2800 Atom that Kimsufi sells.