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We use our own billing panel on LunaNode. We also use our own control panel on top of OpenStack; it seems to have more features than Fleio like shelving / uptime monitoring / e-mail hosting, but probably this is because it takes a lot more time to make something work in a flexible way for other companies than to get it working robustly for a single business.
I'm a bit surprised that other companies who have their own control panel don't go ahead and integrate billing into that panel as well, but given that WHMCS licenses are a negligible cost I suppose it makes sense to use WHMCS and not worry about maintaining even more code. Still, a generic billing panel instead of one geared towards the company's offerings makes things slightly more confusing for the users.
Something else that I always found odd is that so few hosting companies are run by people with substantial software engineering experience. I think owner not being developer does explain why they prefer not to implement their own software though (costs go up astronomically when you outsource or have to hire a dedicated 40-hr/wk developer, as @vpsjungle said).
Anyway, good to see RamNode deploying this, it has been five years in the making : P (https://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1357112). I used to have something like twenty RamNode VPS for game servers, slowly moved those services to an OVH dedicated server though, RamNode had much better network but my services kept growing and eventually it became too much trouble to maintain so many servers.
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I am big fan of your signature
You can download Fleio and review the code yourself: https://fleio.com/docs/installing.html
We wrote our first in house panel on top of OpenVZ 6 ten years ago:
https://blog.intovps.com/2009/07/30/hypanel-screenshots/
It was just after the Kloxo/HyperVM huge security incidents which resulted in companies having tens of OpenVZ 6 servers wiped out completely.
We're 15 people at IntoVPS/Hosterion + Fleio and we still need to sell it to other companies as well for the investment to make sense and havea future.
And obviously a healthy, alive and secure control panel needs constant development, not just a one time software development project.
That rank is bs romania beating israel at coding lel Israel is the start up Nation and the founding stone and all greatness. While romania just say they barely have ngo funded start up projects lel
Per https://blog.hackerrank.com/which-country-would-win-in-the-programming-olympics/ sounds like it's based on the average score on coding challenges of HackerRank users in each country. So if there are a lot of users in a country who are new to coding, then they would push the score down even though their score is only low because they are just beginning to learn to code. The ranking doesn't really make sense, it's just for their publicity. Of course, comparing coding quality by country instead of specific developers doesn't make sense either, so I guess it fits in this thread ^^.
@fleio your interface is cool and i love it.
Currently we use SolusVM and use XEN for VM's and i was happy with it.
But my inner mind is saying SolusVM may give price shock as cPanel anytime.
Can you shed some light on my below doubts.
Thanks
OpenStack supports many hypervisors like Xen, KVM, Hyper-V, VMWare, Virtuozzo etc. Full list here: https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/user/support-matrix.html
Some of the OpenStack features:
An experienced system administrator needs to allocate around 6 months or more to learn and test OpenStack before going in production. We use and recommend OpenStack-Ansible for deployment, management, reconfiguration, upgrades - https://docs.openstack.org/openstack-ansible/latest/
We're focusing on Fleio software development. We don't do OpenStack consultancy.
Paying a consultant for OpenStack installation and consultancy would be in the xxxx € range even for a minimal project, which (a) does not make sense for (some) very small clouds, (b) is not in the LET budget range.
In India there are many noobs and as well as experienced workers , it depends how much you pay for . Top companies hire the toppers like google,fb and microsoft , you are generally left with average workers .In those coding sites , many Indian noobs try , so it has low ranks . Now compare it with china , only smart and expert people can access websites outside china , then also only few percentage of know english properly,so smart chinese people compete in there , so obviously better rank for the country . So is the reason Russia. In India everybody that is learning Engineering knows English and can join any such sites and participate , so Indians are lesser ranked
Is Hackerrank actually credible for these kinds of stats? There was a big cry when this came to light sometime ago but I cannot find the original source anymore.
Nice, but some dumbass racist fucks won't understand this. All they know is to blame & draw immature conclusions.
To put it bluntly: there's fuck-all money in hosting. If you can make a small fortune as an experienced software engineer working for a handful of respectful clients and/or a single employer, why would you voluntarily deal with potentially hundreds of shitty demanding customers while earning far less? From a capitalistic perspective, the incentive just isn't there.
Some might do it because they like running a hosting company, but as with any passion projects, it won't be many people doing that. The hours are grueling, most of the time you have to deal with shitty customers, and you can't just take two weeks off for a holiday.
I'd imagine that most small hosting providers are started by kids in their early 20s, with the capacity to have more sleepless nights and 24/7 availability (at least in the beginning) They specialize in systems/network administration not software engineering, which is a different field and skillset entirely.
I don't think most developers with 10-15 years of real software engineering would venture into this field.
uh uhm HackerRank who? I'm pretty sure some of the top developers don't have time to solve shitty puzzles. For example (and not that I'm elite or anything), I have never used such website or their services. I'm pretty sure there are a lot of developers on a daily grind that don't have time for stuff like that. Not every country / States / Territories use platform like these.
Having said that, Indians are very motivated individuals. Google current CEO is Indian.
Like in every case, there are shitty trash terrible garbage sad Indian developers and then there is the other side Indian developers who actually are top notch and tons of years of experience.
But the same thing happens with USA or any country.
Being a good dev is all about experience and being able to keep up with the current best practices. You can learn something, have actual more knowledge as a junior than a senior and still be trash because you lack the experience.
Learning it currently. The trial license will expire before I get to test Fleio properly!
Breaking news: you can get good or bad developers from any country on earth
I work at a big isp for Openstack and we use canonical juju with commercial sdn solution.
I'm quite satisfied about the canonical juju system, and I'd recommend it over the EL kolla-docker mess. The kolla system also runs libvirt in privileged docker containers with all kind of serious nasty issues. Also tried openstack-ansible, and personally I think this is also quite a mess, they wrote a lot of useless overcomplicated wrappers to do stuff Ansible has built in in one of the nastiest ways one could code it.
My opinion about Openstack: overall I can live with it, but it has a lot of issues that exist by design. But here are some of the things I really hate:
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Python is relatively slower to run than native compiled languages, but I doubt that you would get considerable performance improvement by rewriting Horizon in Go. Applications trade the small performance penalty for the speed of development in Python. There are huge systems or web applications running successfully on Python. A web application is a perfect use case for Python and Django. And there are good use cases for Go.
Python is (relatively) slow, the same way PHP or Ruby are slow(er than compiled languages),
The Horizon speed issue comes from its design decisions: when displaying a simple object list (e.g. instances) it connects to OpenStack HTTP API's to retrieve data.
What we're doing at Fleio is that we keep a MySQL database cache for OpenStack objects and after the initial sync, we're keeping it up to date via notifications. And where we don't have notifications implemented in OpenStack we're submitting patches to add them.
This way Fleio does not have a performance issue from Python.
Right. Everyone, get off Linux now and write your own.
I think a lot of people with experience with different developers wouldn't have reacted the way you did. You took racist offence to 11 when it is somewhat reasonable question. I've had many discussions with developers on their education and experience, and it is valuable information. Some are told to do specific stuff, others are told to think out of the box. The education system and work expectations are different for different parts of the world, so there is some consistency and expectation from that.
But as someone else pointed out, you can have amazing or shit coders in any country. You get a team of 10-20 developers from any country, and there's a couple of superstars and a couple of dead weights.
@raindog308, busted!
Man, you did your research!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_City#Population_and_languages
https://www.reed.co.uk/jobs/software-developer-jobs-in-vatican-city
Hmmm, wikipedia has a 2011 breakdown with a population of 594...well, I was close. Of those, 429 are clerical (senior Church officials - they're not writing code) and another 109 are the Swiss Guard (the guys with the halberds).
It's possible one of the others is a developer but unlikely...the rest of that are probably people like the Pope's butler and senior professionals. The vast majority of Vatican employees and staff are Italian citizens. Vatican City citizenship is always ex officio. If you are appointed to a position there, you are a citizen for the duration of that appointment and then the citizenship is revoked.
The Vatican has hosted hackathons, amusingly enough.
That sounds sophisticated. Shit code is much simpler, like this: https://shitcode.net/376
exactly mate , good and motivated Indian students are placed by Intel,microsoft,google,facebook etc during college placements . What remains are average Joe who work for medium to small companies and after that remains the below average which other people hire at cheap rates for freelancing and then complain about it
Someones been auditing Solus I see.
Francisco
You get what you pay for, you can get good as well as worse coders in India or any country, but if you hire the right company and pay right price you can get really good coders even in India but usually companies outsource in India to save $$ and ultimately compromise on quality and then later complain that quality is bad.
It's like iPhone is manufactured in China and even cheap android phones are also manufactured in China, but you get what you pay for
Ha! Way back in my younger days I was coding an inventory system similar to Diablo 2 (array matrix). I couldn't figure out how to detect collisions for items with different sizes. Like tetris blocks. I had around 30-40 if statements. I finally found out after trial and error, the solution was just to loop through the rows and columns.
If I find this code someday, i'll definitely try to post it there!
Looks like OpenStack not working out for RAMNODE yet, they are enabling their SolusVM based OVZ packages again, just saw their tweet
"While we continue working on a new container option for our OpenStack Cloud, you can order an OpenVZ VPS on our legacy SolusVM system"