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ICANN removes price caps on .org domains despite thousands of comments (98.1%) against
New agreement as of today: https://www.icann.org/resources/agreement/org-2019-06-30-en
Proposal with comments: https://www.icann.org/public-comments/org-renewal-2019-03-18-en
Related news article on now passed proposal: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48066945
Commentary blog post with comments statistic (not mine!): https://reviewsignal.com/blog/2019/06/24/the-case-for-regulatory-capture-at-icann/
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Just wait for the ".com reset".
Maybe all domains go up to 50$ or more per year at some point, lets see.
.onion domains will not!
Has Oakley Capital bought Icann yet ?
Yea, and the renewal price will be based on the visitors accessing your site.
pay per visitor by big mac index => https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Mac_Index
Verisign: Keeping a record in database is so difficult. If you are an organization you can afford to pay me $10.000 per year. Amiright?
ICANN: I'm your bitch.
In my opinion, new prices should apply only for new registrations, and when you transfer the ownership of a domain name. As long as you own one, you should be able to keep it at the same price...
You can't own a domain. You simply rent them.
Apologizes if I used the wrong word... to me as long as you rent something it belongs to you , and you are the owner, but it might have different meaning in English.
In my opinion, new prices should apply only for new registrations, and when you transfer the domain name to someone else. As long as you rent one, you should be able to keep it at the same price...
Haven't read the provided articles. I'd heard it's more about bringing .org's registry agreement in line with all the other gTLDs rather than anything sensational about jacking prices.
ICANN ignored 5993 out of 6000 opinions. Do you still hope they care for your or anyone's else opinion?
EHL,
Yura
There's no inherent reason to do that, and that's addressed in the commentary post.
The end is nigh.
Commentary article is mine and I wrote a follow up: https://reviewsignal.com/blog/2019/07/01/icann-fails-the-internet-community-allows-an-unlimited-non-profit-tax/
Bringing contracts into alignment isn't a real argument. An organization with 500 million dollars in the bank can't handle the administrative differences for a legacy gTLD which predates the organization's existence? Please.
.ORG isn't like .xyz.
It shouldn't be treated as such. It's a powerful monopoly in the non profit space and in the minds of internet users. There are also real switching costs to move domains for any business or organization that has invested in their web presence, which is completely disregarded.
How abouts treating TLDs as a free market, much like the nTLDs that have been rolled out over the past 10 years. Plenty have been attempted and failed at a fair cost.
No reason for 'special status' for those original gTLDs. Understandable that there'd be 'exceptions' for ccTLDs, can't think of why for gTLDs though.
It seems like people are worried that .org domains will be jacked up to $100/y overnight. If that were the case I'm sure market pressures would take care of it.
Besides, the way link rot works, barely any links last 5 years+, so migrating (and/or renewing for 10 years before a price hike) would not make any material difference to the target market of a domain.
New gTLDs didn't exist and were created. Companies paid for the chance to market them. .ORG pre-dates this and has had a historical record of price stability for registrants/organizations.
It's not the same as new gTLDs, it shouldn't be treated as such. There is a real switching cost, your view is myopic thinking about link rot. How about every marketing material, email addresses, logins, etc? It's entire organizations built on .ORG.
Why is there a monopoly allowed to freely tax them as they see fit with no oversight?
You want free market, open up the .ORG contract to bids for the lowest bidder like a utility it is. .IN did that, the cost was $0.75/domain. Markets don't simply correct overnight, this is regulatory capture, pure and simple. It's a symptom of an un-free market and you should be against it if you really are a free market advocate.
Make an argument for .org receiving special status, which is what you're advocating. ICANN wants to normalise their contract, you don't.
No idea why you think link rot is myopic thinking, it's a simple fact based on real world data.
Besides, how many new organisations chose .org to launch their online presence? There's no inherent 'specialness' about the TLD, so it shouldn't be treated as such.
Normalize a contract to something they created to make more money for themselves (creating the new gTLDs)? .ORG isn't anything like the new gTLDs that were created by companies. They are called legacy gTLDs because they are from a different time and had a different history. They ARE different and should be treated as such. Millions of organizations have locked themselves into legacy gTLDs which has had stable pricing since well before the new gTLDs existed. Why should we be in favor of changing the rules now? Why are the rules being changed in the benefit of a group that has tons of ties to ICANN?
There is decades of history associated with .ORG being home to non profits, charities and other organizations doing public good. This isn't simply about new organizations, it's about the millions who already chose, many of whom chose years ago.
If you're denying the specialness of .org to non profits then you're willfully deceiving yourself. It's a monopoly. Look no further than .NGO with it's <4,000 registrations since 2014. https://ntldstats.com/tld/ngo
.ORG has been branded into the public's mind for decades of usage by nearly every major non profit. That wasn't ICANN or PIR that did that either. Yet, they are the ones reaping all the rewards.
The only 'specialness' I've came across for 'open to everyone' TLDs is for .com because it's seen as the prominent TLD for brand building.
I don't visit a .org and think 'this is an organisation'. There's no restrictions for registrants. .org has no specialness wrt to that.
What history? As much as I like the 'cool URIs don't change' mantra, the web is a churn of data.
Anyways, there's only the potential of price rises. If it were to rise from $10 to $20, for whatever reason... I doubt the value of a website that cannot find the value in itself to pay that extra $10.
So you accept .COM's specialness is because of it's prominent branding but don't recognize .ORG's for the very same reason for the niche of non profit organizations. Puzzling.
People and organizations have spent decades building on .ORG, simply saying it's a churn of data and having no respect to what they have built is insulting at best. $10 to $20 is 100 million dollars being pulled away from .ORG registrants and not being spent on their missions. Are you just going to be the office space guy stealing pennies from every transaction and saying it doesn't matter?
You don't need to be an organisation or a non-profit to rent an .org domain, so not sure of your point.
I'm not being any guy in particular, I just don't see why there's a big drama about normalising their contract and prices only potentially rising. I'm refuting that there's a drama to be had.
What's your stake in this? Hopefully something more than virtue signalling.
You don't need to be a commercial organization to use a .com, but you've accepted the prominence of it. Somehow you're unable to extend that understanding to anything else, despite it being the same situation.
The drama is price protections in a monopoly situation are necessary and good practice. This isn't a good faith situation, PIR has already raised rates faster than .COM. If it's not in the contract, it doesn't matter. The other problem is ICANN ignored it's own mandate to be a bottom up multi stakeholder organization. The contract was negotiated behind closed doors by ICANN staff and then approved by them without a single change based on input from thousands of people, organizations and ICANN groups.
What's your stake here? You don't care about others? We're on a forum where people are trying to save a dollar or two on hosting and you think doubling the price of a domain is no big deal. Why should every .ORG registrant current and future be taxed extra to support ICANN's monopoly non profit?
Turns out .info is also affected. Didn't see this mentioned before.
.com popularity was decided by the worldwide market, not ICANN or any one entity in particular. If you can somehow indicate that people believe there's some kind of special status for .org in the market then do let me know.
I've bought 300 servers here and registered 300 .org domains, but never been part of 300 organisations.
Perhaps you could simply argue that .org domains should be reserved for registered organisations, if you could somehow create a definition that fits the word across international boundaries.
Seems like you're moaning about ICANN, PIR, pricing... and throwing it all in together.
There is no monopoly, no one is forced to choose a .org domain or continue using one - and there isn't any special meaning behind the extension considering anyone can get one.
.ORG popularity was decided by the whole market too. Go read all those thousands of comments, plenty of organizations like EFF, NPR, AARP, National Geographic, etc were concerned and use .ORG. Just because anyone can buy one doesn't mean the world hasn't taken notice and recognized it for what it is, the defacto brand for non profits. Alternative tlds like .NGO/.ONG were created in 2014, and still have under 4000 domains. .charity has under 2000 domains.
There's a multitude of problems with what happened here and I'm ok addressing them all.
Your apathy is part of the problem.
and .biz, .asia. But nobody cares about them as much honestly. They were created after .ORG and don't have the same monopoly status.
That's rich.
That's rich.
Feel free. You haven't even bothered to elaborate on your interest in the topic after I asked. I haven't found your commentary compelling and the price rise is purely theoretical - and is the whole basis for your disagreeing with the proposal.
I've stated my own case, I think all gTLDs should be able to compete with each other equally. Even if renewals were increased to $50/y I don't think the EFF is suddenly going to struggle to make ends meet.
In any event, .org registrants can renew their domain today, for 10 years, at today's prices. Storm in a teacup.
My interest is transparency and proper governance of the internet. Neither of which is happening at ICANN right now.
.info/biz/asia don't have the status of .ORG. The changes don't disproportionately affect non profits. I think it's a load of crap they are changing the rules on those registrants, but .ORG moreso than the others. I put in a public comment on all the proposals for the record against.
Your case boils down to 'I dont care, its not a lot of money and they might not even do it.'
That's just apathy and a lack of understanding. It's also an ignorance towards how markets and organizations actually work. It's a lack of empathy for the missions of non profits and how even if they can afford something, it's taxing them for no good reason.
If ICANN really believes in ISOC's mission, it can take 30m/year from it's already enormous revenues and give it to themselves. Why is .ORG getting a special tax that other registries aren't by having PIR act as a middleman between an actual registry and ICANN?
If none of that concerns you, which I'm sure it doesn't given your already ignorant positions and inability to follow your own logic. .COM is the next battle, VeriSign is pushing this hard so it can uncap prices on .COM and enjoy more monopoly profits. If .ORG did it, why shouldn't they? That's the next battle.
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