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Seen the same thing happen @ Hetzner. Going from a 2 core to a 4 core. Geekbench on the 2 core was 6k, expected 12k on the 4 core. Ended up with 9k for double the price. That delete server button got pressed fast.
Learned this lesson a long time ago: Only Bare Metal if you want speed ( and the Hetzner Cloud "dedicated" VPNs are expensive compared to their own Bare Meta servers ).
Did you try that more than once and was it consistent? 6k on the 2 core is better than I would have expected btw.
FWIW, I would have been fine with your 3core bench on 4core vps, especially on a sharedcore vps lineup.
even the host cpus don't scale up benchmarks linearly by core count.
Read VCPU count and do the math of averages
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Xeon+Gold+6140+@+2.30GHz&id=3132
Edit: in my previous geekbench linked comments, I was just remarking on the variance in multicore scores(going from 2 to 3). Both the single core and multicore scores behave differently based on host nodes load.
We don't have newly enough data to conclude that scaleway epyc is 'bad'. I'm still happily testing this new arch.
Some Geekbenches for the Scaleway Gen-Purpose (EPYC 7401P ) instances in PAR zone.( gotta use the 70 EURs leftover free credits somehow.
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16GB Gen-purpose (EPYC 7401P ):
vm1: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/12924087
vm2: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/12924092
32GB Gen-purpose ( EPYC 7401P ):
bigVM1-run1: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/12924103
bigVM1-run2: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/12924154
bigVM2-run1: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/12924174
(so, probably just a saturated node on bigVM1)
Seems the 16GB gen-purpose instances are the best bang for buck for multi-threaded hourly compute.
These modern EPYCs are capable:
I see 1.1 GB/sec for 'openssl speed -evp aes128' . i.e line-rate userspace crypto for 10GBit uplinks.
Still not available in Amsterdam.![:\](https://lowendtalk.com/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
Those might be available for Amsterdam later, because it was sold nicely in Paris; but for now it's not out of stock completely, so I don't think it will worth the effort in other datacenters.
They were claiming they're replacing the old line up with these afaik? They said there is no official ETA though for AMS.
No Paypal payment?
The blog post said:
Meanwhile you can still get the 1.99 EUR box and then get upgraded to Ryzen for free.
Bumping... it's May 25th 2019.
According to Scaleway's blog post, their Development instances on AMD EPYC should have been available starting early May. Sure, everybody thought early May 2019 ; but I think they refer to May 2020 or 2021, as this May will soon be gone.
right, we are a little bit behind schedule, but not that much, just bear with us for a few more days, we are just making sure everything works as it must.
So... it's early June now. I can't stop but wondering... what year?
I looked at trying Scaleways a couple of weeks ago as fancied their baremetal ARM for 2.99 euro , but at the time the ONLY instances that were available were the GPU instance which cost 500euro! Nothing else available so I gave up and went elsewhere.
Even if they had other instances in stock there were a few things regarding billing that made me a bit reluctant to take them on. They only allow billing in euros and only accept debit/credit cards with no option to prepay in advance.
My bank charges me 2.9% plus £2 for card payments not in GBP which means I am paying almost twice as much per month in bank fees to buy from Scaleways. If I could prepay with card or paypal then this would be better but they don't offer this.
Or you could have switched the tab to AMS. Paris is sometimes out of stock on this and that, but AMS has plenty available and that BOTH were out of stock on EVERYTHING, sorry that's a fairy tale.
No surprise there. Doubling the cores does only rarely get you double performance. Increasing performance by 50% to 65% is quite normal unless you have a somewhat exotic workload.
Nice but not really surprising. Note though that in normal use cases (e.g. web server) I'd expect that to drop very considerably, but hey, even 1 to 3 Gb/s (plus lots of connections http/fastcgi served) are plenty for most servers. Also note that AES (or, more generally sym. crypto) isn't the problem since quite some years. TLS setup/handshake is the killer. I mention that because at least until very recently large register IMUL was one of the few things where intel was better (AMD had only half the vector width).
Netherlands now has the new server range; early May 2019 became late June 2019, but let's look on the bright side: they finally kept their promise. Development Instances are now running on AMD EPYC shared vCPUs in Amsterdam datacenters.
Bummer no PayPal
yes, we took some time to confirm our testing (and actually found 1 issue so that was a usefull precaution),
we also had 2 major migration on the lower layers (network+hypervisors) to prepare some new features (coming soon) that we decided to schedule before pushing these in general availability
but we are all good now , sorry for the delay, enjoy the new servers
Mik
Any plans for paypal ever?
Why PayPal? It's a poison in payment gateway industry. Today you can generate vCards from your phone with 2 button clicks and be safe. PayPal is outdated, expensive and in general - crap for providers. Direct CC processing is way better and more secure.
PayPal has some buyer protection.
I don't understand the difference between the DEV and GP instances. They are on the same platform and DEV is just smaller?
GP pricing in the bigger instances would be more attractive if the cpu was dedicated. The 32GB with 8 vcores being just a little bit faster than the 4-vcore 16GB wasn't so great. Is it the case that with the 256GB instance you're really getting the whole box? If yes, that is pretty nice. Brand H doesn't currently have an instance that big
. But their smaller ones (up to 128GB) with dedicated cores are still less expensive than these non-dedicated ones. And in practice I've gotten good utilization even on the non-dedicated (16GB and 32GB) H instances.
Depending on throttling etc., the small DEV instances do seem pretty nice. I might run some tests on them.
I liked the old offers of hourly bare-metal dedis, except that they were Atoms. If you can do that with Ryzens that will be great.
This was actually answered in good detail above by @UKCC1, it is because they insist on payment in EURO and people with bank cards that operate under different currencies often have to pay a conversion fee and possibly a service fee for that conversion. This is something PayPal usually handles for you for a much lower rate and usually a single fee. So while PayPal sucks for overhead on the seller side, there are a lot of use cases where for the buyer its much more convenient and even cheaper.
PayPal is like gonads, they are useful for their purpose but no substitute for a brain (using commonsense). Use it where it's applicable, otherwise make the best choice for you. The best combination is to offer both options but push customers to use CC when they can, not just force direct use of CC.
To be honest, the fact they only use CC is one of the main reason I stopped using them, it made it difficult to control and understand the usage, as in I can't prepay and use my balance and then come back and add credit as I need, no, instead it just auto deducts from your card. I have dealt with enough places that have done shady things like actually charging extra or charging you unexpectedly that I HATE to place a credit card on file and much prefer to add credit or pay bills as they are due. My main reasoning doesn't even have to do with conversion rates, though this is something to consider as PayPal was even providing me better conversion rates than my card in some cases.
my 2 cents.
Cheers!
My reason too
Cheers!
yes
Mik
Awesome. My lunch funds lie in wait.
Just to confirm the START-1-XS (1.99€, AMS or PAR) is still there. Not to be ordered through the website, but available via their scw command line utility. It has the same specs as before (1CPU, 1GB RAM, 25GB SSD) but coming now with AMD EPYC 7281.
Example:
(if needed, replace ams1 with par1 for Paris, and debian-stretch with other OS image e.g. ubuntu-bionic)
Hi
I just registered to write you thank you !
I'm enjoying my 2 servers (in Paris and Amsterdam) at 2€/m
Fixing your command:
scw login
scw --region="ams1" run--boot-type=local --commercial-type=START1-XS debian-stretch
And how to use scw command:
https://www.scaleway.com/en/docs/manage-cloud-servers-with-scaleway-cli/
It's only a .exe file if you are using Windows