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  • SitemioSitemio Member
    edited December 2018

    @jvnadr said:

    • What confidential means? Anybody can claim that he has done the best tests in the world, not giving a clue about them. Why should we believe him?
      Security audits, to be taken seriously, should be done from external well known companies. - This can be pricey. But if you wanna sell your product in this price range, you should do that and publicly state that your platform has being audited by xxx company.

    We do not disclose such information in order to protect the safety and privacy of the product. The software was publicly released. Can create a trial license and review all the codes. That's why we rely on our product. That's why you can believe it. :)

    • If you claim that your platform is better that WHMCS or Blesta, you should put in your site a comparison table, clearly showing what extra functions does your product have than the well known others. Blesta and WHMCS do have almost all the specs you are stating on "What is the difference from similar automation systems?"

    You can be sure that we will provide this table soon. We're claiming it's better. Just try and see.

    • Also, I find it a little bit lame to almost anagram WHMCS to WSCMS. What would be like to you, if a new company that produces refreshments had a product called it Copa Cola? A true better alternative or a try to gain sales from the similar name?

    I wouldn't be able to join you on this. The example you gave is just a different letter. Do you think there's a single letter difference between WHMCS and WSCMS ? You should have your eyes checked.

    With this thought, beginning with W, an automation can not be done. This is so wrong.

    • The starter plan for WHMCS has a price from resellers less than $11, much lower than yours even with the discount. Of course, your offer do have white labeling and is unlimited, but then, a provider that do need white label and unlimited clients, won't mind to pay $10-15 more per month to get a fully tested, well known with tons of third party solutions for his needs and external audited billing platform, so, you will have to do better on arguments 1 & 2 to gain those clients, not just claiming that you are secure and better than the others. Prove it.

    If Whmcs is $11 through dealership,

    Wscms is $10 through dealership.

    Please review;
    https://www.sitemio.com/en/category/partnership-dealership

    Please get rid of the prejudice.

    But this is just my opinion, after all, who am I?

    You Are valuable to us. :)

    P.S. Ask for a provider's tag or for a permission if you want to advertise/sale your product. With your post you are breaking the rules of the forum

    If the community and the rulers think so, this topic may be closed. We respect that.

    Thanks.

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  • jvnadrjvnadr Member
    edited December 2018

    Sitemio said: We do not disclose such information in order to protect the safety and privacy of the product. The software was publicly released. Can create a trial license and review all the codes. That's why we rely on our product. That's why you can believe it.

    A fact that a product, especially a SaaS has being publicly released, does not prove if there are holes and vulnerabilities of this product. All serious SaaS and PaaS do hire a well known external audit IT firm to check as third party the software. How this can have any relation with protection "of the safety and privacy of the product"? A lot of products, many of them even open source, are publicly released and are famous, but when the first security incident occurs, then, any good external security audit that checks the product do find major holes that could be avoided if this check was done before the incident...
    A tech guy, even more a plain user, do not have a clue about security audits and there is a special section in the IT industry that does those checks. If you think that, just because you use it and it is a public software, eliminates those needs, then, sorry but I cannot think your SaaS as secure (or not secure). Even more when it is not really tested (a real test is when you gain a really big client base and let the time shows about the vulnerabilities).

    Sitemio said: I wouldn't be able to join you on this. The example you gave is just a different letter. Do you think there's a single letter difference between WHMCS and WSCMS ? You should have your eyes checked.

    OK, if you do not find that WHMCS is very similar to WSCMS, then, maybe I am blind. But I am not stupid...
    "It deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe."
    Source

    Sitemio said: Please get rid of the prejudice.

    I do not have any prejudice. I don't even use WHMCS atm. But I have seen a lot of new providers, software makers, platforms and SaaS than have similar claims like yours and soon enough their clients discover major flaws, vulnerabilities and bad practices or false advertisements.

    In any case, good luck with your product, I really hope to be proven as really safe, much more rich to features and cheaper than the well known alternatives.

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  • MikePTMikePT Moderator, Patron Provider, Veteran

    @Sitemio follow his advice. He is completely right.

    Thanked by 1Sitemio
  • @jvnadr said:

    Sitemio said: We do not disclose such information in order to protect the safety and privacy of the product. The software was publicly released. Can create a trial license and review all the codes. That's why we rely on our product. That's why you can believe it.

    A fact that a product, especially a SaaS has being publicly released, does not prove if there are holes and vulnerabilities of this product. All serious SaaS and PaaS do hire a well known external audit IT firm to check as third party the software. How this can have any relation with protection "of the safety and privacy of the product"? A lot of products, many of them even open source, are publicly released and are famous, but when the first security incident occurs, then, any good external security audit that checks the product do find major holes that could be avoided if this check was done before the incident...
    A tech guy, even more a plain user, do not have a clue about security audits and there is a special section in the IT industry that does those checks. If you think that, just because you use it and it is a public software, eliminates those needs, then, sorry but I cannot think your SaaS as secure (or not secure). Even more when it is not really tested (a real test is when you gain a really big client base and let the time shows about the vulnerabilities).

    Sitemio said: I wouldn't be able to join you on this. The example you gave is just a different letter. Do you think there's a single letter difference between WHMCS and WSCMS ? You should have your eyes checked.

    OK, if you do not find that WHMCS is very similar to WSCMS, then, maybe I am blind. But I am not stupid...
    "It deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe."
    Source

    Sitemio said: Please get rid of the prejudice.

    I do not have any prejudice. I don't even use WHMCS atm. But I have seen a lot of new providers, software makers, platforms and SaaS than have similar claims like yours and soon enough their clients discover major flaws, vulnerabilities and bad practices or false advertisements.

    In any case, good luck with your product, I really hope to be proven as really safe, much more rich to features and cheaper than the well known alternatives.

    In relation to the issues you specify, our management unit will provide detailed analysis and evaluation.

    We care about your thoughts.

    Thank you for your time.

  • It looks WSMCS offers fraud control. Does it support FraudLabs Pro like in the WHMCS 7.7?

  • joepie91joepie91 Member, Patron Provider
    edited December 2018

    Sitemio said: We do not disclose such information in order to protect the safety and privacy of the product.

    Please do read up on Kerckhoff's Principle, which does not just apply to cryptography, but also to security in general.

    To summarize it: a system is only secure if it cannot be compromised even when the attacker knows every detail of how it works and how it's been tested. If it's risky to release information about your testing processes, that means you probably have a security issue that needs resolving.

    Sitemio said: Penetration Tests + SQL Injection etc.

    Both of those are reactive and non-exhaustive tests. While they can work in addition to other measures to find overlooked issues, they're not any kind of security assurance in and of themselves.

    Are you also applying proactive measures, such as having a well-defined set of threat models, and developers that have been trained to go through that threat modelling process for all of the code they write, as well as general code quality assurance processes?

  • @Sitemio said:
    Penetration Tests + SQL Injection etc.

    Nice one.

  • doghouchdoghouch Member
    edited December 2018

    @joepie91 I’m placing a bet I can copy the session cookie from my browser and move it to a browser 12,000 km away. (and I bet that it’ll still resume the session)

    Honestly, like you said — if there is nothing to hide, why not release the “testing” methodology?

  • If you want to acquire an Indian Web Hosting market then try to develop,
    Ccavenue Payment Module or Payumoney Payment Module
    Rest things are damn good!

  • @doghouch said:
    @joepie91 I’m placing a bet I can copy the session cookie from my browser and move it to a browser 12,000 km away. (and I bet that it’ll still resume the session)

    Honestly, like you said — if there is nothing to hide, why not release the “testing” methodology?

    I hope you aren’t insinuating tying a session to an IP address

  • @Spencer said:

    @doghouch said:
    @joepie91 I’m placing a bet I can copy the session cookie from my browser and move it to a browser 12,000 km away. (and I bet that it’ll still resume the session)

    Honestly, like you said — if there is nothing to hide, why not release the “testing” methodology?

    I hope you aren’t insinuating tying a session to an IP address

    How about tying a session to the user's city...?

  • joepie91joepie91 Member, Patron Provider

    @doghouch said:

    @Spencer said:

    @doghouch said:
    @joepie91 I’m placing a bet I can copy the session cookie from my browser and move it to a browser 12,000 km away. (and I bet that it’ll still resume the session)

    Honestly, like you said — if there is nothing to hide, why not release the “testing” methodology?

    I hope you aren’t insinuating tying a session to an IP address

    How about tying a session to the user's city...?

    That'll break the moment your geolocation database updates, and those aren't generally going to give you an accurate city to begin with anyway. Tying a session to an IP or IP-derived data isn't really all that useful in practice.

  • @joepie91 said:

    @doghouch said:

    @Spencer said:

    @doghouch said:
    @joepie91 I’m placing a bet I can copy the session cookie from my browser and move it to a browser 12,000 km away. (and I bet that it’ll still resume the session)

    Honestly, like you said — if there is nothing to hide, why not release the “testing” methodology?

    I hope you aren’t insinuating tying a session to an IP address

    How about tying a session to the user's city...?

    That'll break the moment your geolocation database updates, and those aren't generally going to give you an accurate city to begin with anyway. Tying a session to an IP or IP-derived data isn't really all that useful in practice.

    I mean it makes no sense when a user’s IP suddenly changes to one in another country... I’m not too familiar with geolocation services but I’ve always assumed that companies would track a user’s city/country along with their session.

    Nice to know though — thanks for the info! :-)

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    joepie91 said: That'll break the moment your geolocation database updates, and those aren't generally going to give you an accurate city to begin with anyway. Tying a session to an IP or IP-derived data isn't really all that useful in practice.

    I guess the right thinking is that it's too little and too late, if you're having to protect the session in such a way?

  • hzrhzr Member

    doghouch said: I mean it makes no sense when a user’s IP suddenly changes to one in another country... I’m not too familiar with geolocation services but I’ve always assumed that companies would track a user’s city/country along with their session.

    Most places that do this generally track at login point in time. If you are a valid session moving from US to CA on the same device (using device fingerprinting and all sorts of other shit), you are generally allowed to hold your session (for non-billing sites)

    If you log in from the same device fingerprint in another city, it's usually allowed. If you log in from a different state/province and a different device with no cookies at all, you might be prompted for MFA if you don't have 2FA set up

  • WSCMS sounds too much of WHCMS... This is causing me to experience a lot of internal errors.

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  • eoleol Member

    @Janevski said:
    WSCMS sounds too much of WHCMS... This is causing me to experience a lot of internal errors.

    Agreed.

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  • this sounds really good. Need to try it

  • Your demo is broken, but hey your licensing system is working great!

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  • @syntrino said:
    Your demo is broken, but hey your licensing system is working great!

    Oh no! The authorities were called!!!!

  • MikePTMikePT Moderator, Patron Provider, Veteran

    @syntrino said:
    Your demo is broken, but hey your licensing system is working great!

    That is a ridiculous message.

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  • LetzienLetzien Member
    edited January 2019

    So, if it's bitching about the hostname, just stuff $_SERVER['SERVER_NAME'] into the config file, and call it a day. Good luck with your licensing, @Sitemio.

    Not that I'm actually suggesting such a thing.

  • Hello again everyone,

    We took into account the feedback from you, and we changed the name of the brand. Now referred to as WiseCP.

    Click on the link below to review official web site.
    https://www.wisecp.com

    As we said in the beginning about security, we rely on our product. Not of any security weaknesses. Anyone can examine the codes or any specialist can check. They're not going to find anything about the security weakness.

    Thanks for your comments and thoughts.

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  • eoleol Member

    @Sitemio said:
    Hello again everyone,

    We took into account the feedback from you, and we changed the name of the brand. Now referred to as WiseCP.

    Wise decision.

    Thanked by 2Sitemio Gravely
  • WisdomCP fork forthcoming.

  • Some powerful security measures from WISECP v1.6.2

    If the location verification is active;

    If two-factor verification is active;

    The database access information is automatically encrypted.

    There’s more to it:)

    Let’s sample through Whmcs; In Whmcs via the database you can define a user’s email address to the administrator and reset the password.

    Even if the database is accessed in the WISECP, you will never be able to do this. Of course, you need to find the database login information first. ;)

  • armandorgarmandorg Member, Host Rep

    @syntrino said:
    Your demo is broken, but hey your licensing system is working great!

    He now, has your address mate. Run. Rapido!

  • desfiredesfire Member
    edited January 2019

    I would buy it but.. I can get WHMCs from $8/mo, why would I expend almost twice for something with less features.

    Reduce the price, onyl you get more well-known reduce it. But with Besta/WHMCS right now.. good luck with that price.

    Put to $3-5/mo and you will be getting a lot of new clients. I know you must value your work but marketing is like that.. once you get more and more clients you can start to increase the price.. truth can hurt but this is just what I think.

    Also, offering only 7 days for trial.. when it is a new product.. Blesta offers a full month.

    Your product can be good but with bad marketing..

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  • desfire said: I would buy it but.. I can get WHMCs from $8/mo, why would I expend almost twice for something with less features.

    Reduce the price, onyl you get more well-known reduce it. But with Besta/WHMCS right now.. good luck with that price.

    Put to $3-5/mo and you will be getting a lot of new clients. I know you must value your work but marketing is like that.. once you get more and more clients you can start to increase the price.. truth can hurt but this is just what I think.

    Also, offering only 7 days for trial.. when it is a new product.. Blesta offers a full month.

    Your product can be good but with bad marketing..

    We are working on branded monthly and lifetime license fees. Thus it can be taken at a cheaper price.

    I also disagree with your "less features " thought. Because WISECP is more "superior, safe and functional " than both. You can understand this by experimenting.

    7 days, we think it's an ideal time to test and try a system.

    Thank you for your interest.

  • YmpkerYmpker Member
    edited January 2019

    @Sitemio said:

    desfire said: I would buy it but.. I can get WHMCs from $8/mo, why would I expend almost twice for something with less features.

    Reduce the price, onyl you get more well-known reduce it. But with Besta/WHMCS right now.. good luck with that price.

    Put to $3-5/mo and you will be getting a lot of new clients. I know you must value your work but marketing is like that.. once you get more and more clients you can start to increase the price.. truth can hurt but this is just what I think.

    Also, offering only 7 days for trial.. when it is a new product.. Blesta offers a full month.

    Your product can be good but with bad marketing..

    We are working on branded monthly and lifetime license fees. Thus it can be taken at a cheaper price.

    I also disagree with your "less features " thought. Because WISECP is more "superior, safe and functional " than both. You can understand this by experimenting.

    7 days, we think it's an ideal time to test and try a system.

    Thank you for your interest.

    Functionality also takes into account integrations though. Do you really mean to say your product has more integrations than WHMCS/Blesta have by now?

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