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  • deankdeank Member, Troll
    edited June 2018

    New, eh.

    OS templates must be tested prior being deployed. This takes time and manpower. They are simply using proven templates that are guaranteed to work on their environment.
    Besides, it isn't hard at all to at least patch.

    Even up-to-date templates will have exploits in a week. And script kiddies have port scanning VPS all over the world.

  • @AnthonySmith said:

    gwnd1989 said: Well why would someone not provide up todate templates if they are worried about attacks and whatnot

    because when its an un-managed service people probably pay less than a bag of Doritos per month and that does not justify the 20 man hours per week to keep templates up to date and repack and redistribute them and test them CONSTANTLY.

    Its a self managed service, you chose your own OS, manage the install and updates yourself, want better? pay better!

    That does not mean you offer 'years' old templates as you said earlier.

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Patron Provider

    My theory is this, if you give a shit, you install it yourself from ISO and manage it properly from day 1, if you dont, you use a template but at least update it and lock it down, you know the basics, if you dont know how, you bought the wrong service.

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Patron Provider

    gwnd1989 said: That does not mean you offer 'years' old templates as you said earlier.

    why not, the first thing you should do is update it if you care, does not take long.

  • deankdeank Member, Troll
    edited June 2018

    Indeed, fire up ssh, log in, type in apt-get update.

    Then go to bed or something.

  • ricardoricardo Member
    edited June 2018

    You set up your VPS the way you want. Close ports and services you don't need. Simples.

    I'd put this guy in the box of 'people who set up boxes who add to a global security problem involving DDOS attacks'

    The provider in this case isn't that good from my own experience, but here... neither is the customer.

    Thanked by 1imok
  • joepie91joepie91 Member, Patron Provider

    AnthonySmith said: because when its an un-managed service people probably pay less than a bag of Doritos per month and that does not justify the 20 man hours per week to keep templates up to date and repack and redistribute them and test them CONSTANTLY.

    So... create a template that enables unattended upgrades by default, and pre-load it with the customer's SSH key upon instantiation? This is entirely an automatable process, and it's really not reasonable to blame it on customers when default provider-supplied templates result in systems getting compromised.

    Thanked by 1iKeyZ
  • @joepie91 said:

    AnthonySmith said: because when its an un-managed service people probably pay less than a bag of Doritos per month and that does not justify the 20 man hours per week to keep templates up to date and repack and redistribute them and test them CONSTANTLY.

    So... create a template that enables unattended upgrades by default, and pre-load it with the customer's SSH key upon instantiation? This is entirely an automatable process, and it's really not reasonable to blame it on customers when default provider-supplied templates result in systems getting compromised.

    Does that work with Windows? I've never tried to RDP using SSH keys before.

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Patron Provider
    edited June 2018

    joepie91 said: So... create a template that enables unattended upgrades by default, and pre-load it with the customer's SSH key upon instantiation? This is entirely an automatable process, and it's really not reasonable to blame it on customers when default provider-supplied templates result in systems getting compromised.

    Yeah, I was really talking about windows.

    Regardless, I still do blame customers with the 'but I never logged in' excuse with password123 or changeme as a root password, which is incredibly common.

  • joepie91joepie91 Member, Patron Provider

    @AnthonySmith said:

    joepie91 said: So... create a template that enables unattended upgrades by default, and pre-load it with the customer's SSH key upon instantiation? This is entirely an automatable process, and it's really not reasonable to blame it on customers when default provider-supplied templates result in systems getting compromised.

    Yeah, I was really talking about windows.

    Regardless, I still do blame customers with the 'but I never logged in' excuse with password123 or changeme as a root password, which is incredibly common.

    Should be possible to enable unattended upgrades on Windows Server in a template as well. RDP can also be preconfigured, although I'm not sure what settings you'd pick since the use of eg. keypairs is much less common there.

    As for customers who pick crappy temporary passwords: it depends on the signup flow. If it's made apparent that the OS will immediately be installed with that password, then yes, it's on the customer. If it seems like it's just an account configuration option and the user only installs the OS later, then it's on the provider.

    Especially for providers who don't allow OS selection upon signup, and just install eg. CentOS by default, it's often not reasonable to expect the customer to understand that their root password will actually be used on a live system, right away.

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Patron Provider

    opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one, the reality on scale with all different skill levels is quite a different thing to what could be done or what is ideal without constraint.

  • deankdeank Member, Troll

    Head over to gaming or pc enthusiast forums.

    Some are actually proud of not updating their Windows 7/10 at all.

  • @kaktus69 said:
    Does that work with Windows? I've never tried to RDP using SSH keys before.

    @joepie91 said:

    RDP can also be preconfigured, although I'm not sure what settings you'd pick since the use of eg. keypairs is much less common there.

    Is that a long-winded way of giving the correct answer of "No" ?.

    Apologies for forgetting to add a smiley to the end of my original rhetorical question to make it obvious.

  • mkshmksh Member

    @kaktus69 said:

    @kaktus69 said:
    Does that work with Windows? I've never tried to RDP using SSH keys before.

    @joepie91 said:

    RDP can also be preconfigured, although I'm not sure what settings you'd pick since the use of eg. keypairs is much less common there.

    Is that a long-winded way of giving the correct answer of "No" ?.

    Apologies for forgetting to add a smiley to the end of my original rhetorical question to make it obvious.

    I am not sure but i guess at least in theory you could hack something up using stunnel. Well, as long as you can bind RDP to localhost and my memory about stunnel being able the check certs is right.

  • joepie91joepie91 Member, Patron Provider

    @kaktus69 said:

    @kaktus69 said:
    Does that work with Windows? I've never tried to RDP using SSH keys before.

    @joepie91 said:

    RDP can also be preconfigured, although I'm not sure what settings you'd pick since the use of eg. keypairs is much less common there.

    Is that a long-winded way of giving the correct answer of "No" ?.

    Apologies for forgetting to add a smiley to the end of my original rhetorical question to make it obvious.

    Click.

    (And yes, if you don't directly expose RDP, various approaches are possible. Plus, SSH servers for Windows are a thing too, if I'm not mistaken.)

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  • mkshmksh Member

    @joepie91 said:
    Plus, SSH servers for Windows are a thing too, if I'm not mistaken.)

    Totally forgot about those.

  • Though the debate has gone quite technical, I have to say that their customer care has fooled me a lot too, so I wouldn't wonder if it was their fault.

  • doghouchdoghouch Member
    edited June 2018

    @deank said:
    Head over to gaming or pc enthusiast forums.

    Some are actually proud of not updating their Windows 7/10 at all.

    Microsoft went out of their way to make Windows Update sooooo goddamn annoying... one minute I’m watching a video.......

    (click) it then decides that it is a GREAT time to update! (I just love updates especially when they happen with no warning at all!)

  • cociucociu Member

    AnthonySmith said: That is a really stupid thing to say and do, if you never logged in to your RUNNING server then obviously is is COMPLETELY insecure and WIDE open to be exploited and attacked and used in DDOS AMP attacks.

    I am really sick of that sort of attitude, you are not buying a managed service, shut the thing down immediately if you have no intention of lifting a finger yourself.

    You have no idea how much chaos the, password123 or changeme but I never logged in people cause for everyone.

    ++++ a big plus for this comment. I am totaly agree

  • Read through some of the banter on here, but on a serious note, if anything is needed or wanted from me here - please feel free to contact me at [email protected]. I am happy to assist.

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    -nathan.

  • Nfphosting is a real scammer. Never buy and waste money / time... No hosting in real..you sites not hosted on datacenter..Probably from home.You will lose all your sites...

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Patron Provider

    mrtsoftware said: Nfphosting is a real scammer. Never buy and waste money / time... No hosting in real..you sites not hosted on datacenter..Probably from home.You will lose all your sites...

    The quickest way to make sure your voice is ignored your comments deleted and your account banned is to just necro old posts with very little information, use the "scam" word without posting proof rather than starting your own review.

    You come across like a kid stamping his feet this way.

  • deankdeank Member, Troll

    When being butthurt goes further into rectum, mrtsoftware is born.

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