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inb4
You are Russian?
I live in a 75km zone around conflict where is a hot war. I see everyday tanks and different very powerful weapons. I LIVING HERE IN THIS FUCKING HELL, AND I KNOW ABOUT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
I didn't say Russian Federation, I said Russian territory meaning territory under Russian control. Russian territory has shrunk massively since 1980's.
Depends on where you're based, if you're white, christian in europe then you're OK. If you're black or brown and live somewhere where oil is present then FUKUS (France, UK, US) may send you some "humanitarian aid" in the form of 1 ton supersonic high explosives. China, Iran and Russia are not dispensing such "aid".
I'm sure Telegram has a way to access the messages/data being transmitted, same as Whatsapp which also claims to be end-to-end encryption but can intercept data, a guy discovered this about Whatsapp and reported it as a "bug", but they refused to fix it as they (and CIA/NSA) would not be able to spy on users if they fixed it.
If they wanted to do this, they would have done it already. The US/UK toppling of Ukraine's government was probably a trap for Russia to invade Ukraine and they could have citing "humanitarian reasons" to protect the Russian-speaking citizens, but the Russian's didn't fall for it. The USA/UK did this trap to Russia before in Afghanistan and they learnt from the experience.
Do you have a reference to this? Should make for some very interesting reading.
With a fair number of these services, there is a potential for the company to exploit messaging groups to secretly monitor the conversations:
https://www.wired.com/story/whatsapp-security-flaws-encryption-group-chats/
The mentioned Telegram clients' source code is all open source. There's no need for any assumptions - just check, whether or not it's end-to-end encrypted.
Does all the other Russia, all the plans of its government etc etc etc is plainly and clearly visible from that spot? I have strong doubts.
Provided you are telling the truth about your location, I can only notice your opinion is biased, that's all.
Sounds like if he is in the middle of it, it's more than just a simple opinion.
Most of us don't want Russia in Crimea. But for some reason people think we are a small group. In Sevastopol, amongst my contacts, 60% want Russia. In Simferopol and other cities, it's only about 30% that want Russia. These arent opinions, but facts. However, as u know, the media has lied and given percentages much much higher.
Fact is Russia is involved in places where people dont want them. (this is true for the US as well). People who are actually living in these areas should speak up and be encouraged to. So people dont blindly follow MSM or the Kremlin stories.
FYI, I do not pay attention to any media. They all lie, regardless of location. The stories from actual people have more weight, talking of reliability.
I would also like to read about facts and actual events, and would encourage the mentioned person to do so, but it will never change the fact that their opinion is biased. That's perfectly understandable.
Man I am. Equally fucked up I have multiple dedicated with hetzner and most of my clients from Russia are on one of them and that dedi falls into the banned subnet.... I almost lost my client base
https://www.inclo.net/pdf/open-letter-to-google-amazon-microsoft-and-apple.pdf
Also: internally, Roskomsvoboda ("Roscom Freedom", site in Russian) launches legal actions against the Internet watchdog, see their latest post.
Thanks, I had a good laugh.
"This is one in a series of attacks on people’s fundamental rights to privacy and freedom of expression in Russia."
I'm the first one to love privacy and freedom of expression. Unfortunately you seem to ignore quite exactly the same problem in other countries where being eavesdropped on by nsa gchq and others is a severe problem too.
"... Agora International has argued in court on behalf of Telegram that accessing the messages of people in Russia has no legal or constitutional basis."
That must be a joke. How about "serial killer xyz has argued in court that his victims were not worth living anyway"? Or how about "xyz has argued in court that he is an extraterrestrian diplomat and hence must enjoy immunity"? Does "arguing it in court" somehow make assertions magically true?
And again, EVERY country that is capable to do so does spy on communications as best they can because a state is responsible for the security of its citizens. To ask for backdoors, general keys or the like is a perfectly normal step for a government. Yes, that's regrettable and ugly but so are dozens or hundreds of dead victims of terror attacks.
Citizens of any country have BOTH rights, the right to privacy and the right to not be killed by terrorists. Hence EVERY country must find some kind of compromise.
About the only thing worthy of criticism I see here is that Russia reacts so bluntly. But I also see that the international companies shitting on their official requests doesn't leave the russian authorities many options. Interestingly quite some of those same companies are well known not to care shit about users rights and privacy when that stands in the way of monetizing them ...
Won't be surprised if people that praise Putin's regime here also praise Jinping's. Wondering if you really would enjoy living under full authoritarian life, especially if it's the deceiving, badly executing kind.
@sigh Staying, looking and arguing reasonably is NOT equal to "praising Putins or Jinpings regime". It is a FACT that many countries eavesdrop on their citizens and its the result of governments needing to find a compromise between freedom and security.
If you really want to judge then you will need to see what really matters in practical terms. Things like "who can see what?", "Are unbiased judges involved?", "How and how long are those data stored?", "are the citizens informed about their communications having been eavesdropped after say 3 months?", "is their use strictly limited to a given context or can the police use them any way they like?", "is the government open about its collecting data or do they do it secretly?", etc.
Well, Apparently Zare moved to US, no idea if thats related or they got soldTM.
@jsg World is not perfect. Every government is doing any kind of misdeed against it's people, principles to keep the authority, power and control. Difference is some may do it better or worse, subtle or blunt, a few or a lot. It is arguable that Russia's method is on the better side, especially with this matter. Kremlin lie a lot, it doesn't care for benefits of it's people, while also being attacked by the West's loud lies (Funny that US screams Russia! when something bad happens every time). Being underdeveloped with very few exports and barely holding economics doesn't help with anything.
Coming back to the technology side of privacy, Russia doesn't know how to fight something they have no control, besides doing regulations and blocks (this is the result of failing to gain control in the first place). I hope they don't think it's working (they probably do), because this barely gives solutions to the deceiving 'cause'.
It's true that almost any company do not care for users rights in privacy (and no one is going to be assured if they state that they do) when money and power is involved. I doubt any saint government would not have any methods to spy on everyone. Instant communication and Information control is just so valuable. It's a good idea to not trust any of them, but you probably know who you would trust much less than usual, basing on the true current state of things and the past.
Anyway, this is just my small opinion of a person trying to achieve a decent part of life !
Please note that that was no my point. I don't have enough answers to the kind of relevant questions I mentioned before to judge Russia or most other countries.
Evidence?
And: Tell me a country whose politicians and government don't lie...
Frankly, who really knows and really has control? The Americans seem to have somewhat more control because they can use their influence and create a lot of pressure on others. But still they couldn't stop Snowden and were allegedly hacked by half the world. Other powerful countries just buy eavesdropping gear or services.
I think the real point is that Russia doesn't accept a "fuck you!" and plays it tough now. Maybe that's clumsy, but if they didn't go hard against the telegram guys next week everybody would laugh at them and say "fuck you! We shit on your laws". The way they handle it will at least pay off in one way. The next guy will think twice.
And don't you think that telegram doesn't pay a price anyway. I think it's like with security. Talk is cheap. Everybody says "security is important" but very very few actually do more than talking or buying some 29$ snake-oil. Similarly everybody is oh so angry and oh so pro privacy with words. But when their messenger doesn't work they download another one that works.
Haha, you ask for evidence and then use a whataboutism to justify the lying that Russia does!
This is a favorite of mine, and hits close to home. If you recall, during the Russian invasion of Crimea, Putin declared it never really belonged to Ukraine in the first place. AND that Russia came to protect the ethnic Russians because of the oppression they face. (as a Russian speaker, there was none of this oppression)
https://www.rferl.org/a/putin-crimea-ukraine/26942862.html
The weird part is - this is going to backfire on Russia. With Slavic people (Russian/Ukrainian) you tell them they can't have something - it's just a challenge put out there for them! Typical households are going to be learning about VPN's and how to circumvent internet restrictions. It happened in Crimea when sanctions were applied, and now it's going to happen in the rest of Russia.
Russia usually acts tough at the bad side of things. In the end everyone's opinion is the same, who would be scared of a nation that can't handle their own shit properly, besides just acting tough to everyone. Just yet another attempt at self isolation.
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Evidence for what? That Russia is a democratic country and values citizen's rights, and has appropriate law to support it? That there's zero propaganda, corruption, agitation? That the population fully approves Putin, not only by funny useless votes, but by production, creation, innovation? Believe, people, believe. Such things could exist if there were no usurpers.
Until the fact that it works, will work, and instead, enterprises will suffer with some issues. Complete success! :P
There are a litany of logical and rhetorical fallacies in this one point. The rest of your posts/comments are also rife with false equivalencies, slippery slope arguments, and straw men. It's actually impressive how many you manage to cram in.
No. I didn't justify Russias lying but I doubted that they lie more or worse than others.
Reminds me of the anti-trump witchhunt. Lots of echo chamber noise but very poor on the side of evidence.
Please note that I'm not praising Russia nor am I a Trump fan. What I do though is doubting the anti-Russia, anti-Trump, anti-whatever Hysteria.
I guess Russia has its good sides as well as its bad sides. Just like any other country. High corruption levels seem to be an example for Russias bad sides.
I don't think so, that's not how people work. Once they left something they won't return easily if the replacement gives them what they need. Besides telegram isn't exactly paradise. There are crypto issues and major parts of the software are closed source.
The decisive point though is that telegram is closely linked to terrorism. The russian "fbi" breaks up terror cells almost every week and almost always mobile phones with telegram are found. That's why their government has started the telegram fight and that's why Russia will pull through. The Russians had more than enough victims killed by terrorists and they like any reasonable state will go to the end with telegram because for them it's about fighting terrorism.
How you sure that it's real story from real people? I'm sure both side write fake 'real' story.
For exemple, you have no way to know if kendid live in ukraine at all.
and real stories tend to be pivot toward whatever control that region, because surely parties will punish writer of publish stories what are not match with their side.
I can only be sure if I know that person myself, personally. This is the only reliable case.
All other cases assume higher or lower amount of trust. Until proven otherwise, I prefer to remain skeptical with respect to any statement, that cannot be proven by many reliable enough references.
I don't get how you can believe any statement. you won't be able to get "reliable enough references" as you did't trusted any source to be trusted as references to begin with.
My own experience, multitude of my friends and colleagues, whom I know good enough to trust at least some of their statements. Are you still sure I "didn't trusted any source"?
Come on, I am not an extreme type of skeptic that would doubt every possible statement.
more like 'you won't sure if ,well, Alaska or Chernobyl actually exist as your friends aren't likely to be been there' thing :P
Re-read my previous response, it contains the answer. Anyway, it's already far from the original subject.