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IPXcore moving out of low end VPS market

IPXcore moving out of low end VPS market

Received this email from IPXcore earlier, looks like they are ready to leave too, which is rather unfortunate given they are one of the more stable and reputable providers who have been in the business for a while:

Hello,

We regret to inform you that our Budget VPS services are being discontinued due to the continuously rising cost of IPv4 addresses. Effectively immediately, all Budget VPS plans are being increased to the IronVZ plan at $2.49 per month. The increase will happen when your service is set to renew.

We understand that the price increase will exceed planned budgets and understand if you will need to cancel your service, however, this is our first price increase in the history of our company and we are unable to continue offering the Budget VPS plans at their original price. If you don't want to keep your Budget VPS at the IronVZ level, please cancel it here: https://ipxcore.com/clients/clientarea.php?action=products

It has been a pleasure providing the Budget VPS service to you. We look forward to your continued business.

Regards,

THE IPXCORE TEAM

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  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Administrator, Top Provider

    $2.49 is moving out of the low end market now?

    Seems like they are remaining firmly in it and just removing an old loss leader.

  • @AnthonySmith said: $2.49 is moving out of the low end market now?

    Seems like they are remaining firmly in it and just removing an old loss leader. @spammy said: Received this email from IPXcore earlier, looks like they are ready to leave too, which is rather unfortunate given they are one of the more stable and reputable providers who have been in the business for a while:

    what plan you got with them to send this nonsense? Just going back; their ironvz was almost always $2.50 and it's ridiculous their website still showcase the "budge vps service" that's completely out of stock. Guess when you all of stock; and not buying new ips; gotta raise the price on what you have.

  • AidanAidan Member

    What was the prior price?

  • @Aidan said: What was the prior price?

    According to their website it is $1 per month, which is super cheap.

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  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Provider
    edited January 15

    @needavps said:

    @AnthonySmith said: $2.49 is moving out of the low end market now?

    Seems like they are remaining firmly in it and just removing an old loss leader. @spammy said: Received this email from IPXcore earlier, looks like they are ready to leave too, which is rather unfortunate given they are one of the more stable and reputable providers who have been in the business for a while:

    what plan you got with them to send this nonsense? Just going back; their ironvz was almost always $2.50 and it's ridiculous their website still showcase the "budge vps service" that's completely out of stock. Guess when you all of stock; and not buying new ips; gotta raise the price on what you have.

    Which makes sense. If buying more IP's is expensive, and whomever you're renting your existing from is getting costly, you gotta make it up somewhere.

    They likely did the math, saw that they had a mountain of people tied up in very budget plans, and figured that they will likely retain a good bit of people and be able to open some stock back up. They'll gain more cash to continue operating things.

    Good on them for doing whats best for their business.

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  • NeoonNeoon Member

    @AnthonySmith said: $2.49 is moving out of the low end market now?

    Seems like they are remaining firmly in it and just removing an old loss leader.

    Everything over 25$/y is not more low end, sounds like regular price to me.
    Except its a dedi.

  • NekkiNekki Member

    @Neoon said: Everything over 25$/y is not more low end, sounds like regular price to me.

    Surely that depends on the spec?

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  • NeoonNeoon Member

    @Nekki said:

    @Neoon said: Everything over 25$/y is not more low end, sounds like regular price to me.

    Surely that depends on the spec?

    A bit, 1-2GB is a requirement, obviously KVM.

  • I think they left the openvz entirely, as I clicked on every openvz plan and it says they are out of stock. (KVM VPS are working fine)

  • MikePTMikePT Member, Provider

    @Neoon said:

    @AnthonySmith said: $2.49 is moving out of the low end market now?

    Seems like they are remaining firmly in it and just removing an old loss leader.

    Everything over 25$/y is not more low end, sounds like regular price to me.
    Except its a dedi.

    25 USD a year is a bargain, LET offer nowadays. Its not yet considered regular price and taking to account that ip costs are rising pretty much every 6 months it does make sense that such packages end up disappearing or being IPv6 only.

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  • NeoonNeoon Member

    @MikePT said: 25 USD a year is a bargain, LET offer nowadays.

    Thats why its called LET.
    25USD is a good price for 2GB KVM, why pay more?

  • MikePTMikePT Member, Provider
    edited January 15

    @Neoon said:

    @MikePT said: 25 USD a year is a bargain, LET offer nowadays.

    Thats why its called LET.
    25USD is a good price for 2GB KVM, why pay more?

    Ashley was a good price too. Why pay more? Yesterday I paid 30 USD year for a 512MB KVM from Vmhaus and I think its still not much profitable if at all given their hw and investment. Let alone the rest. I rather signup for a fair price than a too cheap to be true that ends being shitty or deadpools.

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  • NekkiNekki Member

    @Neoon said: Thats why its called LET.
    25USD is a good price for 2GB KVM, why pay more?

    LowEnd is a state of mind, not a price point.

  • NeoonNeoon Member
    edited January 15

    @MikePT said: Ashley was a good price too. Why pay more?

    If you need storage, you buy a Kimsufi for 8EUR with 2TB.
    There is no reason to buy a VPS.

    4EUR for 2TB is good, buy 3 of them and make a fat cluster.

    I rather signup for a fair price than a too cheap to be true that ends being shitty or deadpools.

    Hahaha, the price does not say it will deadpool, look at XVMlabs, Virmach, fake news.

  • MikePTMikePT Member, Provider

    @Neoon said:

    @MikePT said: Ashley was a good price too. Why pay more?

    If you need storage, you buy a Kimsufi for 8EUR with 2TB.
    There is no reason to buy a VPS.

    4EUR for 2TB is good, buy 3 of them and make a fat cluster.

    Yeah limited at 100mbps.

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  • NeoonNeoon Member
    edited January 15

    @MikePT said: Yeah limited at 100mbps.

    Well, no. If you use 3, you get total of 300Mbit.
    If you can pull 300Mbit with a client depends on the software, most likely you will pull 100Mbit but thats better then 1-2MB/sec with Treudler or other people who tried to offer cheap storage on OVZ and shit.

    For storage needs like 1TB+, do not get a VPS, its not worth anymore.

  • KuJoeKuJoe Member, Provider

    This thread is hilarious. Can a mod please update the title to reflect the truth?

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  • ClouviderClouvider Member, Provider
    edited January 15

    @Neoon said:

    @AnthonySmith said: $2.49 is moving out of the low end market now?

    Seems like they are remaining firmly in it and just removing an old loss leader.

    Everything over 25$/y is not more low end, sounds like regular price to me.
    Except its a dedi.

    @Neoon should become a provider and to this sort of pricing. It would be some premium popcorn time when he’d see for himself and do the math and rage drop the project again.

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  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Administrator, Top Provider

    Neoon said: Everything over 25$/y is not more low end, sounds like regular price to me.

    Yes but no offence, I consider you to be in a league of your own in terms of expectations vs price :)

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  • NeoonNeoon Member

    @Clouvider said: @Neoon should become a provider and to this sort of pricing. It would be some premium popcorn time when he’d see for himself and do the math and rage drop the project again.

    Well, for that, you would need to sell them direct, means you need to run your own DC with cheap power and stuff.

    Which only do a few here on LET, if you have a few millions spare, lemme now, lets work out a business plan then.

  • NekkiNekki Member

    @AnthonySmith said:

    Neoon said: Everything over 25$/y is not more low end, sounds like regular price to me.

    Yes but no offence, I consider you to be in a league of your own in terms of expectations vs price :)

    At this stage he’s effectively morphed into a parody account.

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  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Administrator, Top Provider
    edited January 15

    Nekki said: At this stage he’s effectively morphed into a parody account.

    All the greats do, just look at Jonny Depp!

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  • MikePTMikePT Member, Provider

    Lets just buy nodes at 50EUR, 2x1TB SSD, E3, 32GB RAM. Gimme the order links.

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  • To me it is also entertaining to watch how when someone is complaining about a services, all providers goes one way and saying things like "there must be another side of the story", and yet when I almost just quoted (and really didn't say anything bad I believe) an email like this, providers start to jump. Is this place becoming just like another WHT?

    I have a few of the old plans with them, around 128MB of RAM each, maybe less than 10GB of HDD, for a cost of around a buck per month, some monthly some yearly and I've had them for a few years which I never cancelled. Why? Because those plans represent the golden LE* times, when @LowEndAdmin was around and when everyone was trying their best to find out how things can be done with a true end low end VPS. I do, too, have some crazy resources plan (of course those are no longer crazy these days) with some of the providers who replied above, and are paying way more for it, however I do miss the time (and the fun) when the LEB was truly all about "race to the bottom" (in terms of resources).

    Again I have no complains with IPXcore and I've enjoyed a few years of stable services with them (some of them have been running some stuff for years), however at the end of the day, it is equivalent to a 150% price increase, with no apparent reasons (I am a customer of PhoenixNAP which I believe where they are colo-ing their servers however I did not get any announcement on IP price increase, however it is completely possible they are renting the IP blocks somewhere and had to live with a price increase). It is not the first day we have an IPv4 shortage as well.

    And by the way, 2.49x12=29.88 the last time I checked my calculator.

  • NeoonNeoon Member

    @Nekki said:

    @AnthonySmith said:

    Neoon said: Everything over 25$/y is not more low end, sounds like regular price to me.

    Yes but no offence, I consider you to be in a league of your own in terms of expectations vs price :)

    At this stage he’s effectively morphed into a parody account.

    I was joking a bit, as usual.
    There are coming much more factors into that as just Memory and Virtualization.

    Like Location, Storage Type....

    You cannot make it up to 25$/y for everything.

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Administrator, Top Provider

    @spammy I think you're being over sensitive :) and yes IPXcore is an awesome brand, or at least when I used them YEARS ago when Damien was there.

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  • spammy said: it is equivalent to a 150% price increase, with no apparent reasons

    I hate to break you the news but a business doesn't have to explain everything to the customer which leaves some feeling this way.

    When consider OneProvider, never forget "We reserve the right to refuse, cancel or suspend service, at our sole discretion." when sales dept doesn't have to own up to mistakes.

  • KuJoeKuJoe Member, Provider

    @spammy the term "Low End" never had anything to do with price, it was about specs. LEA did have a set price limit, but it was always about doing more with less which this site has definitely gotten away from. That being said, by LEA's definition $30/year is still in the LEB price range so your title is still wrong.

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  • @AnthonySmith said: @spammy I think you're being over sensitive :) and yes IPXcore is an awesome brand, or at least when I used them YEARS ago when Damien was there.

    Just me ranting I guess :)

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  • qpsqps Member, Provider

    spammy said: Budget VPS services are being discontinued due to the continuously rising cost of IPv4 addresses.

    spammy said: it is equivalent to a 150% price increase, with no apparent reasons

    It pretty clearly says it is related to IPv4 costs.

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  • MikePTMikePT Member, Provider

    @KuJoe said: @spammy the term "Low End" never had anything to do with price, it was about specs. LEA did have a set price limit, but it was always about doing more with less which this site has definitely gotten away from. That being said, by LEA's definition $30/year is still in the LEB price range so your title is still wrong.

    Man I miss those times. We'd do everything to host WP in like 64MB RAM, which was very possible back then. Nowadays I'd love to do the same using a very, very small VPS.

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  • MikePTMikePT Member, Provider
    edited January 15

    Neoon said: Hahaha, the price does not say it will deadpool, look at XVMlabs, Virmach, fake news.

    You'd think they profit from those 10USD/y plans... Fake news, right. Sorry, I don't know much about this industry. How do they profit? I'd love to know how, always willing to learn.

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  • NekkiNekki Member

    @MikePT said:

    @KuJoe said: @spammy the term "Low End" never had anything to do with price, it was about specs. LEA did have a set price limit, but it was always about doing more with less which this site has definitely gotten away from. That being said, by LEA's definition $30/year is still in the LEB price range so your title is still wrong.

    Man I miss those times. We'd do everything to host WP in like 64MB RAM, which was very possible back then. Nowadays I'd love to do the same using a very, very small VPS.

    I still host a DokuWiki instance on a 64MB VPS. Sadly, they’re quite hard to come by these days, folks just don’t want to sell them.

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  • The definition of pricing isn't adjusted for inflation!

    When consider OneProvider, never forget "We reserve the right to refuse, cancel or suspend service, at our sole discretion." when sales dept doesn't have to own up to mistakes.

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  • mikhomikho Member, Provider

    @MikePT said:

    @KuJoe said: @spammy the term "Low End" never had anything to do with price, it was about specs. LEA did have a set price limit, but it was always about doing more with less which this site has definitely gotten away from. That being said, by LEA's definition $30/year is still in the LEB price range so your title is still wrong.

    Man I miss those times. We'd do everything to host WP in like 64MB RAM, which was very possible back then. Nowadays I'd love to do the same using a very, very small VPS. @Nekki said:

    @MikePT said:

    @KuJoe said: @spammy the term "Low End" never had anything to do with price, it was about specs. LEA did have a set price limit, but it was always about doing more with less which this site has definitely gotten away from. That being said, by LEA's definition $30/year is still in the LEB price range so your title is still wrong.

    Man I miss those times. We'd do everything to host WP in like 64MB RAM, which was very possible back then. Nowadays I'd love to do the same using a very, very small VPS.

    I still host a DokuWiki instance on a 64MB VPS. Sadly, they’re quite hard to come by these days, folks just don’t want to sell them.

    I can do a special 64MB package for you in all locations ... :)

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    @mikho said:
    I can do a special 64MB package for you in all locations ... :)

    With a dedicated IPv4?

  • mikhomikho Member, Provider
    edited January 15

    @Nekki said:

    @mikho said:
    I can do a special 64MB package for you in all locations ... :)

    With a dedicated IPv4?

    if that is a requirement, I could do it in most locations.

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  • IshaqIshaq Member, Provider

    What they could have done I guess is bill yearly so $12/year instead of $1/month.

    $1/month is just stupid due to PayPal's fees. They charge a fixed, variable, and cross border fee.

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  • NekkiNekki Member

    @mikho said:

    @Nekki said:

    @mikho said:
    I can do a special 64MB package for you in all locations ... :)

    With a dedicated IPv4?

    if that is a requirement, I could do it in most locations.

    I could potential use some little boxes in Atlanta, Milan, Sofia and Sandefjord.

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  • deankdeank Member
    edited January 15

    @doughmanes said: I hate to break you the news but a business doesn't have to explain everything to the customer which leaves some feeling this way.

    I don't think it needs any explanation anyway. Anyone with an ounce of functioning brain should be able to tell that the deal was unsustainable and they decided to cut the tie before taking further losses.

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  • KuJoeKuJoe Member, Provider

    @Nekki said:

    @MikePT said:

    @KuJoe said: @spammy the term "Low End" never had anything to do with price, it was about specs. LEA did have a set price limit, but it was always about doing more with less which this site has definitely gotten away from. That being said, by LEA's definition $30/year is still in the LEB price range so your title is still wrong.

    Man I miss those times. We'd do everything to host WP in like 64MB RAM, which was very possible back then. Nowadays I'd love to do the same using a very, very small VPS.

    I still host a DokuWiki instance on a 64MB VPS. Sadly, they’re quite hard to come by these days, folks just don’t want to sell them.

    It's basically because the cost of IPs. Our 64MB plan still sells, but for $3 more a year you can get double the RAM. We can't sell a 64MB plan at half the price because ARIN dropped the ball and gave out IPs like candy so now we're stuck with the IPs we have and can't afford to sell the IPs at $7 a year anymore. Hell, I can sell a 32MB plan if people want it, just don't expect it to be 1/2 the price of a 64MB plan.

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  • mikhomikho Member, Provider

    @Nekki said:

    @mikho said:

    @Nekki said:

    @mikho said:
    I can do a special 64MB package for you in all locations ... :)

    With a dedicated IPv4?

    if that is a requirement, I could do it in most locations.

    I could potential use some little boxes in Atlanta, Milan, Sofia and Sandefjord.

    Don’t have Atlanta, Milan is @AnthonySmith. Sofia I can do. Sandefjord - nedd to check the IP price before I promise anything.

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  • MikePTMikePT Member, Provider
    edited January 15

    @Nekki said:

    @MikePT said:

    @KuJoe said: @spammy the term "Low End" never had anything to do with price, it was about specs. LEA did have a set price limit, but it was always about doing more with less which this site has definitely gotten away from. That being said, by LEA's definition $30/year is still in the LEB price range so your title is still wrong.

    Man I miss those times. We'd do everything to host WP in like 64MB RAM, which was very possible back then. Nowadays I'd love to do the same using a very, very small VPS.

    I still host a DokuWiki instance on a 64MB VPS. Sadly, they’re quite hard to come by these days, folks just don’t want to sell them.

    I would happily take the chance to host a random wiki as well, and strip down a KVM VPS to get it to run there. That, is a challenge. And that was a funny way to occupy my time back then. Nowadays we got so many resources that everything simply loads. Unless you get jekins on it, or confluence lol. Or java-based shit.

    KuJoe said: It's basically because the cost of IPs. Our 64MB plan still sells, but for $3 more a year you can get double the RAM. We can't sell a 64MB plan at half the price because ARIN dropped the ball and gave out IPs like candy so now we're stuck with the IPs we have and can't afford to sell the IPs at $7 a year anymore. Hell, I can sell a 32MB plan if people want it, just don't expect it to be 1/2 the price of a 64MB plan.

    Of course, that makes sense, not only hw costs money, as do IP's / ARIN membership / future subnet acquisitions.

    @mikho said:

    @Nekki said:

    @mikho said:

    @Nekki said:

    @mikho said:
    I can do a special 64MB package for you in all locations ... :)

    With a dedicated IPv4?

    if that is a requirement, I could do it in most locations.

    I could potential use some little boxes in Atlanta, Milan, Sofia and Sandefjord.

    Don’t have Atlanta, Milan is @AnthonySmith. Sofia I can do. Sandefjord - nedd to check the IP price before I promise anything.

    Pricing in Sofia?

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  • mikhomikho Member, Provider

    @MikePT said:

    Pricing in Sofia?

    Yet to be decided :)

    For a 64mb ram, ?mb disk ... probably somewhere around $5-10/year.

    Limited edition that is.

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  • MikePTMikePT Member, Provider

    @mikho said:

    @MikePT said:

    Pricing in Sofia?

    Yet to be decided :)

    For a 64mb ram, ?mb disk ... probably somewhere around $5-10/year.

    Limited edition that is.

    $5 USD and I'm in. :>

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  • RadiRadi Member, Provider

    @mikho Who's the provider in Sofia?

    VikingLayer now offers VPS resource pools. Ask me about them today. :)

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    @Mikho charge @MikePT a PITA fee of $2.95/mo.

    I won't be back until @bsdguy is released.

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    @WSS said: @Mikho charge @MikePT a PITA fee of $2.95/mo.

    Adding ”cheap” invoice fee on top of that.

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