Kimsufi flash sale 9-3-2017

Yura

@willie said:
I do a similar ffmpeg compile (different configuration) all the time on an i7

Curiosity killed the cat but I'm gonna ask anyway... Why? Is it something people like to do with idle machines just for fun? I can get myself into this sport then.

angstrom

@WSS said:

@willie said:
Yeah, I wasn't doing anything else. Might try later (tomorrow maybe) with 3 threads.

Since the Atoms are so neutered, it's just going to get worse. I've relegated my Atoms to: Nameservice, mail, low impact dynamic sites, storage. They're a little bit better with recent microcode, but that may be psychosomatic. They feel a bit better under FreeBSD's SMP, but it's hard to equate with OBSD. They're basically completely useless under NetBSD.

Just curious: why would NetBSD be so slow on an Atom? Seems odd.

WSS

@angstrom said:
Just curious: why would NetBSD be so slow on an Atom? Seems odd.

By design. NetBSD is primarily an OS designed for portability and design OVER usability. They had UFS softupdates and other goodies in NetBSD 4-5, but ended up removing them. When the kernel shuts down, it unloads every damn device first. It's beautiful and annoying at the same time.

angstrom

@WSS said:

@angstrom said:
Just curious: why would NetBSD be so slow on an Atom? Seems odd.

By design. NetBSD is primarily an OS designed for portability and design OVER usability. They had UFS softupdates and other goodies in NetBSD 4-5, but ended up removing them. When the kernel shuts down, it unloads every damn device first. It's beautiful and annoying at the same time.

Okay, so you mean just the usual not-so-fast behavior of NetBSD. I had misunderstood you to mean that there was some exceptional slowness linked to the fact that it's an Atom ...

willie

Yura said:

Curiosity killed the cat but I'm gonna ask anyway... Why? Is it something people like to do with idle machines just for fun?

I use ffmpeg a lot and generally run the dev version, so I recompile after a git pull. That's relatively frequent, like maybe weekly. I didn't mean literally all the time.

WSS

@angstrom said:

By design. NetBSD is primarily an OS designed for portability and design OVER usability. They had UFS softupdates and other goodies in NetBSD 4-5, but ended up removing them. When the kernel shuts down, it unloads every damn device first. It's beautiful and annoying at the same time.

Okay, so you mean just the usual not-so-fast behavior of NetBSD. I had misunderstood you to mean that there was some exceptional slowness linked to the fact that it's an Atom ...

Well, yeah. It's an Atom. XD

willie

Fwiw I just noticed it doesn't have AES hardware. For some reason I thought recent Atoms had that. I guess this is a non-recent Atom. That might explain scp's high cpu consumption.

WSS

N2800 is about 5-6 years old.

pechspilz

Too bad they won't remove the VAT for non-EU customers anymore. That's a 20% price hike for some.

Yura

@pechspilz said:
Too bad they won't remove the VAT for non-EU customers anymore. That's a 20% price hike for some.

They removed VAT for me 2 weeks ago. How can you confirm what you said? link?

r0xz

@pechspilz said:
Too bad they won't remove the VAT for non-EU customers anymore. That's a 20% price hike for some.

you will need to get your account approved

layfon

Yura said:

pechspilz said:
Too bad they won't remove the VAT for non-EU customers anymore. That's a 20% price hike for some.

They removed VAT for me 2 weeks ago. How can you confirm what you said? link?

Have been hearing about it too. I heard it from some Chinese. Also on kimsufi FAQ:

How do I exempt my account from VAT charges?
Professionals and individuals outside of the European Union: VAT is not refundable to non-European customers.

google ""due to a change of policy, vat exemptions will no longer apply on kimsufi orders for our non-european customers." and you'll see those Chinese forum's posts.

ashkulz

Got it done a week ago, you need to be a company outside the EU.

myhken

pechspilz said: Too bad they won't remove the VAT for non-EU customers anymore. That's a 20% price hike for some.

But this is only for new customers then? I'm from a non EU country and I do not pay VAT at Kimsufi. Tried renew on one of my servers and I do still not pay VAT, and when I order a new server I still not pay VAT

vimalware

@layfon said:

Yura said:

pechspilz said:
Too bad they won't remove the VAT for non-EU customers anymore. That's a 20% price hike for some.

google ""due to a change of policy, vat exemptions will no longer apply on kimsufi orders for our non-european customers." and you'll see those Chinese forum's posts.

Ah. A 'chinese tax' now (every 3rd worlder affected of course)

Maybe their fraud rate was close to 20%.

huntercop

You got to keep in mind that there is only so much you can do with an Atom server if you want optimal performance. I got 4... had emby running on one but it wasn't good enough so now I only run rtorrent and document storage on 2 of them. 2 sitting idle.

Jabroni

@pechspilz said:
Too bad they won't remove the VAT for non-EU customers anymore. That's a 20% price hike for some.

They removed the VAT for me, and I even didnt ask for it. Just sent my validation papers via email, and 1 day later I got my account approved and invoiced changed with no VAT (that was 3 days ago)

FredQc

Jabroni said: Just sent my validation papers via email, and 1 day later I got my account approved and invoiced changed with no VAT

Wow. I had to wait like 3 weeks for this to be done. You're lucky.

Marek607

One ticket with the scan invoices for electricity / phone and changing the VAT rate in 48 hours

willie

I didn't get charged vat.

willie

Lol, the N2800 (single thread) is about 2x slower than the Avoton C2750 (single thread) at the pi calculation benchmark:

time echo "scale = 1000; 4*a(1)" | bc -l

It's about the same speed as the Scaleway C1 ARM server.

WSS

Its a 5+ year old Atom. It's basically on par with an 802.11n router.

willie

Cruel hoax, I got a check.ovh notification that the ks-3c was back in stock, but it was at the regular price with setup fee. And it was in stock before!

vish

I'm still waiting to get this delivered...

saibal

Does check.ovh provide notifications for special deals? Most Kimsufi checkers only notify for regular servers. I got the same notification from kimi.nwwebsites.co.uk for regular servers

willie

I think it only checks the regular ones. This flash sale was announced in advance on OVH twitter but I don't know if the KS-3C one was.

I notice they've finally stopped this flash sale after running it for several days.

The slow Atom (600-ish passmark) inspired me to look up the passmark of a few of my old laptops, one of which I still sort of use. The 1ghz Pentium M is around 300 passmark and the 800mhz Celeron ULV is under 200. And the laptop (EEE PC 701) underclocks the Celeron to 633 mhz iirc so it's probably in the 150 passmark range. And yet its fan won't stop spinning once it turns on, lol.

The even older Pentium MMX 233 mhz isn't even on the chart

WSS

@willie said:
The even older Pentium MMX 233 mhz isn't even on the chart

I have an 8 thread older i7 laptop (with crappy resolution), but I sit on an ancient Core2Duo because it keeps my lap warm. SSD makes things pretty fast.

Yura

@WSS said:

@willie said:
The even older Pentium MMX 233 mhz isn't even on the chart

I have an 8 thread older i7 laptop (with crappy resolution), but I sit on an ancient Core2Duo because it keeps my lap warm. SSD makes things pretty fast.

Dangers of Human Omelet. Be careful mate

WSS

@Yura said:

@WSS said:

@willie said:
The even older Pentium MMX 233 mhz isn't even on the chart

I have an 8 thread older i7 laptop (with crappy resolution), but I sit on an ancient Core2Duo because it keeps my lap warm. SSD makes things pretty fast.

Dangers of Human Omelet. Be careful mate

Another bonus!

vish

@WSS said:

Another bonus!

+1