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Are providers winding down their operations in Russia?

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  • forestforest Member
    edited October 14

    @MikeA said: Russia is worse than China already in my opinion. I have lots of people in Russia using my service, and the IPs they use are being actively blocked every 24-48 hours by the Russian government.

    China is a lot worse than Russia, but only because they have more experience with mass-scale censorship. Russia can still access Tor via Snowflake some of the time, but China has effectively closed that off completely.

    The only difference is that China censors fewer things. But their censorship is far harder to bypass.

  • forestforest Member
    edited October 14

    Actually, can we not let the Russia vs Ukraine containment thread leak?

    Just because acknowledging the war is necessary for discussing why providers might be avoiding Russia doesn't mean we need to turn this into a debate about authoritarianism, Putin, and Russian vs Western morals shit-flinging contest...

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  • jenkkijenkki Veteran

    @zGato said: VPNs are just illegal there

    VPN, YouTube, Telegram, Google, and others are not prohibited in Russia. A restriction is not a prohibition. Use does not entail any penalties. Your sources often distort the real situation.

    If you are not satisfied with something, go to the website of the State Duma and write a complaint where you will state your views in detail. The only thing that can be advised in your situation. :smiley:

  • zGatozGato Member

    @jenkki said:

    @zGato said: VPNs are just illegal there

    VPN, YouTube, Telegram, Google, and others are not prohibited in Russia. A restriction is not a prohibition. Use does not entail any penalties. Your sources often distort the real situation.

    If you are not satisfied with something, go to the website of the State Duma and write a complaint where you will state your views in detail. The only thing that can be advised in your situation. :smiley:

    I'm speaking of Belarus, not Russia.

    Those complaints end up in /dev/null either way.

  • @forest said: Dead journalists can't publish anything, so online censorship is unnecessary.

    Are you talking about so called "journalists" of Hamas? Because I have a full archive.
    One hand they are holding a Sony camera, other hand an AK-47. Plenty. And most of
    them were cheering the Oct 7 attack. So yeah, if you ever lived in the middle east, you
    would known who is who. I respect your tech skills, but your mid-east knowledgle is 0.

  • jenkkijenkki Veteran
    edited October 15

    @zGato said: I'm speaking of Belarus, not Russia.

    In Belarus VPN is NOT illegal. All working.

  • forestforest Member
    edited October 15

    @luckypenguin said: Are you talking about so called "journalists" of Hamas?

    To one particular country, every human being in their neighboring country is Hamas. :D

    I mean the ones whose murders multiple well-respected international journalist societies have been decrying.

  • TangeTange Member

    @emgh said:

    yes censorship will help the economy, censorship is amazing, local businesses will thrive

    the more we censor the better

    Emmm... If the EU had imposed censorship 20 years ago, it might have developed its own IT industry instead of being an US tech colony today.

  • rustelekomrustelekom Patron Provider, Veteran

    @emgh said:

    @tentor said:

    @emgh said:

    @jenkki said:
    There is one simple thing. By leaving Russia, a Western provider is giving its business to a local competitor. Now, almost all Russian providers, in addition to local access, provide servers in many other countries locally for Russia and for rubles. Taxes and other things are paid. By leaving, Western providers are only helping businesses in Russia get a profit instead them.

    yes censorship will help the economy, censorship is amazing, local businesses will thrive

    the more we censor the better

    finally some intellectual westerner!!

    it's so interesting that when the eu does some retarded censoring, the threads are filled with europeans, americans and russians all saying its retarded

    when sua does some retarded censoring, the threads are filled with europeans, americans and russians all saying its retarded

    when russia does some retarded censoring, the threads are filled with europeans and americans saying its retarded while russians think its super smart (not rarely with the support of some westerners as well)

    they're really something else

    What Russians? I don’t know who in Russia likes censorship. Generally, no one is against blocking phishing, extremist, pedophilic, and terrorist websites, but blocking useful services such as YouTube, Instagram, X.com, as well as some messengers, etc., is a bad idea. I hope that when the war is over, access to most services will be restored. Of course, this also depends on the stance of the services themselves. Ignoring requests from law enforcement agencies to block information banned in the Russian Federation is a disgrace for Western services. You cannot use double standards.

  • LeviLevi Veteran

    Hosting production env in ru or Ukraine is not wise as both countries are in active war. If you consider such options - then after catastrohpy hits the data center - don’t cry.

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  • MaouniqueMaounique Host Rep, Veteran

    @Saragoldfarb said: Chinese still easily find their way.

    I wouldn't be so sure. I recently had to help someone from Bulgaria who works in China setup a V2Ray.
    I think the Russian guy is correct, the majority of the blocks might be due to other causes, rather than the Russians having a better firewall than the Chinese. The Chinese didn't start the hot phase of the expansion yet so it might look like Russia is censoring better and smarter when it actually has other problems due to the war.

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