Independence Day Sale - India AMD EPYC VPS Starting From $12/year

default · August 16

@JohnFilch123 said:

@default said:
@HostDZire — People don't like price increases. Period. Once you start doing that, people might quit, not because of you, but because of trust with regards to other price increases which might be done again and again in future.

Yes, prices are being increased everywhere, out of your control. But worker salaries don't increase at the same rate. Life is harder day by day as we head into a great depression thanks to our greedy leaders. A price increase in your hosting would take away some of that little fun which I have in playing or donating servers, because simply put: it would be out of my fun budget, yet I must survive somehow.

Very good psychiatrist will fix your depression, no issues.

Yes. It is like the sad clown paradox.

Obelous · August 16

@default said: Yes, prices are being increased everywhere, out of your control. But worker salaries don't increase at the same rate. Life is harder day by day as we head into a great depression thanks to our greedy leaders. A price increase in your hosting would take away some of that little fun which I have in playing or donating servers, because simply put: it would be out of my fun budget, yet I must survive somehow.

They can't just eat the costs because its out of your "fun budget". It's a business, they have to make money.

If their costs go up, then your prices also have to. There's no avoiding that.

default · August 16

@Obelous said:

@default said: Yes, prices are being increased everywhere, out of your control. But worker salaries don't increase at the same rate. Life is harder day by day as we head into a great depression thanks to our greedy leaders. A price increase in your hosting would take away some of that little fun which I have in playing or donating servers, because simply put: it would be out of my fun budget, yet I must survive somehow.

They can't just eat the costs because its out of your "fun budget". It's a business, they have to make money.

If their costs go up, then your prices also have to. There's no avoiding that.

Yes. You're right too.

User59128 · August 16

Was this offer only for 1 day or will it be restocked?

JohnFilch123 · August 16

@default said:

@JohnFilch123 said:

@default said:
@HostDZire — People don't like price increases. Period. Once you start doing that, people might quit, not because of you, but because of trust with regards to other price increases which might be done again and again in future.

Yes, prices are being increased everywhere, out of your control. But worker salaries don't increase at the same rate. Life is harder day by day as we head into a great depression thanks to our greedy leaders. A price increase in your hosting would take away some of that little fun which I have in playing or donating servers, because simply put: it would be out of my fun budget, yet I must survive somehow.

Very good psychiatrist will fix your depression, no issues.

Yes. It is like the sad clown paradox.

Juat like most people on LET.

HostDZire · August 16

@default said:

@HostDZire said:

@default said:
@HostDZire — People don't like price increases. Period. Once you start doing that, people might quit, not because of you, but because of trust with regards to other price increases which might be done again and again in future.

Yes, prices increase everywhere, out of your control. But worker salaries don't increase at the same rate. Life is harder day by day as we head into a great depression thanks to our greedy leaders. A price increase in your hosting would take away some of that little fun which I have in playing or donating servers, because simply put: it would be out of my fun budget, yet I must survive somehow.

We are also client of leaseweb and we dont like the price increase as well
So we do what we can to avoid this for client.
But no one in world can guarantee you same price forever,

I absolutely understand that.

If anyone dont like they move right ?

Yes. I agree with you. It is exactly what I would do.

but guess what others price will be still higher than ours at that time

Not quite. That is an assumption with regards to an unknown future which is much harder to predict in our troubled times when everything changes so fast. Not everybody uses the same datacenter. Not every datacenter raises prices to same way or at the same rates or at the same times. Therefore I do not agree with you on this point.

It doesnt matter if xyz client moves, they always move whenever they find better price to performance ratio right ?, it not like they get married to us
So It doesnt matter if host increases price or not, they always do what they have to do..

So we as a host also needs to take decisions based on our side problem.

After 3 year if we increase price most of client will move, we know that already.
But at the same time, we will get new client for those vps, and same thing happens with us each month, each month we cancel like hundreds of order and each month we get hundreds of orders. so this is nothing new for us.

But what we can not do is pay more for xyz vps and earn less for that same vps.
So when this happens we will be happy if client cancel that vps.

And BTW we are discussing this for future problem ? we have more than 1.5 years to go for those leaseweb vps. who knows after 1 year you guys find 3$ year vps and then cancel our vps anyways or maybe vps/server price increases 10x then you will be love to continue with us even after price increase.

Mainfrezzer · August 16

@HostDZire said:

@Alilang said:

@barbaros said:

@Alilang said:

@HostDZire said:

@Alilang said:

@HostDZire said:

@Alilang said:
The server is good, but the owner is not a trustworthy person.

Really ? how ?

Did you ever say anything to the effect that the renewal fee would remain unchanged for three years and that the email address could be modified?

Why we need to say that ? we clearly said price is subject to change,
Till now i have not even increased price, did we ? maybe i should increase it now ?

For email modification long ago we modified TOS, sent email, also informed in LET by saying we no longer allow it.

If you dont like dont buy, if you dont trust dont buy.
Buy from someone who you trust, you will find they also unable to satisfy you, because your expecation might be the problem.

I only registered the account using a custom domain email because you stated that the email address could be changed later. Now that I no longer own that domain, my account is effectively out of my control. I registered the account after you made that promise, yet the terms were altered subsequently—you tell me, is that right?

That's not provider's fault that you no longer own that domain right? If you will use a custom domain for your email, register it for 10 years, and these issues doesn't happen.

I can confirm that the domain is unrelated to the merchant. Claiming that the email address could be changed—only for that not to be the case—is unforgivable. I should have just used Gmail to sign up.

Unhappy ? take refund of remaining days ? but dont force us to do something we stated already in TOS we dont do it anymore, else why we had to modify TOS and informed all users via email for new rule ? you had 7 days time, you didnt contacted us during that did you ?

Did you even read the email ?
You are claiming we said something in some forum post, but what about the email we sent ?
Why are you not talking about that ?

Excuse me, but where exactly does it state that you cannot change your email address there? There is a clause regarding transfers but clearly, updating an email address because you no longer own the domain doesn't fall under that.

HostDZire · August 16

@Mainfrezzer said:

@HostDZire said:

@Alilang said:

@barbaros said:

@Alilang said:

@HostDZire said:

@Alilang said:

@HostDZire said:

@Alilang said:
The server is good, but the owner is not a trustworthy person.

Really ? how ?

Did you ever say anything to the effect that the renewal fee would remain unchanged for three years and that the email address could be modified?

Why we need to say that ? we clearly said price is subject to change,
Till now i have not even increased price, did we ? maybe i should increase it now ?

For email modification long ago we modified TOS, sent email, also informed in LET by saying we no longer allow it.

If you dont like dont buy, if you dont trust dont buy.
Buy from someone who you trust, you will find they also unable to satisfy you, because your expecation might be the problem.

I only registered the account using a custom domain email because you stated that the email address could be changed later. Now that I no longer own that domain, my account is effectively out of my control. I registered the account after you made that promise, yet the terms were altered subsequently—you tell me, is that right?

That's not provider's fault that you no longer own that domain right? If you will use a custom domain for your email, register it for 10 years, and these issues doesn't happen.

I can confirm that the domain is unrelated to the merchant. Claiming that the email address could be changed—only for that not to be the case—is unforgivable. I should have just used Gmail to sign up.

Unhappy ? take refund of remaining days ? but dont force us to do something we stated already in TOS we dont do it anymore, else why we had to modify TOS and informed all users via email for new rule ? you had 7 days time, you didnt contacted us during that did you ?

Did you even read the email ?
You are claiming we said something in some forum post, but what about the email we sent ?
Why are you not talking about that ?

Excuse me, but where exactly does it state that you cannot change your email address there? There is a clause regarding transfers but clearly, updating an email address because you no longer own the domain doesn't fall under that.

First of all we are not targeting the email change.
We are targeting those who sell their account via email change.
So there is no clear rule in TOS for email change. But it says we dont allow transfer.
And also says by changing email you cant bypass transfer rule.
And we also say if you attempt doing that we may suspend service, but we never suspended just rejected the email change request.

In HostDZire account email is locked for security purposes,
We have had events where customer sold their vps to others and then were changing email to getting their vps back. multiple fraud were reported. hence we locked the email.

Also alot of case came where customer even sold their whole account and created dispute with paypal/stripe to get money back.

Infact when we were doing transfer, that time customer sold their vps to new client, we transfered then original customer created dispute to get money back, in that case new customers vps was suspended, hence someone else suffered.

When we get request for email change, and if we suspect its because client is trying to sell the service to another client

Then,
What we do is suggest them to add new email to the account to solve their problem.
If that doesnt do the job, we can also ask for KYC, Payment proof to prove their ownership. in simple terms if your request is 100% legit then we might change it, but we know 99% of the requests for email change are due to selling their account/service.

Mainfrezzer · August 16

@HostDZire said:

@Mainfrezzer said:

@HostDZire said:

@Alilang said:

@barbaros said:

@Alilang said:

@HostDZire said:

@Alilang said:

@HostDZire said:

@Alilang said:
The server is good, but the owner is not a trustworthy person.

Really ? how ?

Did you ever say anything to the effect that the renewal fee would remain unchanged for three years and that the email address could be modified?

Why we need to say that ? we clearly said price is subject to change,
Till now i have not even increased price, did we ? maybe i should increase it now ?

For email modification long ago we modified TOS, sent email, also informed in LET by saying we no longer allow it.

If you dont like dont buy, if you dont trust dont buy.
Buy from someone who you trust, you will find they also unable to satisfy you, because your expecation might be the problem.

I only registered the account using a custom domain email because you stated that the email address could be changed later. Now that I no longer own that domain, my account is effectively out of my control. I registered the account after you made that promise, yet the terms were altered subsequently—you tell me, is that right?

That's not provider's fault that you no longer own that domain right? If you will use a custom domain for your email, register it for 10 years, and these issues doesn't happen.

I can confirm that the domain is unrelated to the merchant. Claiming that the email address could be changed—only for that not to be the case—is unforgivable. I should have just used Gmail to sign up.

Unhappy ? take refund of remaining days ? but dont force us to do something we stated already in TOS we dont do it anymore, else why we had to modify TOS and informed all users via email for new rule ? you had 7 days time, you didnt contacted us during that did you ?

Did you even read the email ?
You are claiming we said something in some forum post, but what about the email we sent ?
Why are you not talking about that ?

Excuse me, but where exactly does it state that you cannot change your email address there? There is a clause regarding transfers but clearly, updating an email address because you no longer own the domain doesn't fall under that.

First of all we are not targeting the email change.
We are targeting those who sell their account via email change.
So there is no clear rule in TOS for email change. But it says we dont allow transfer.
And also says by changing email you cant bypass transfer rule.
And we also say if you attempt doing that we may suspend service, but we never suspended just rejected the email change request.

In HostDZire account email is locked for security purposes,
We have had events where customer sold their vps to others and then were changing email to getting their vps back. multiple fraud were reported. hence we locked the email.

Also alot of case came where customer even sold their whole account and created dispute with paypal/stripe to get money back.

Infact when we were doing transfer, that time customer sold their vps to new client, we transfered then original customer created dispute to get money back, in that case new customers vps was suspended, hence someone else suffered.

When we get request for email change, and if we suspect its because client is trying to sell the service to another client

Then,
What we do is suggest them to add new email to the account to solve their problem.
If that doesnt do the job, we can also ask for KYC, Payment proof to prove their ownership. in simple terms if your request is 100% legit then we might change it, but we know 99% of the requests for email change are due to selling their account/service.

Okay, that's good. I was just very curious if it's just a flat out refusal or a reviewable case when supplied/provided with evidence for the old domain and same owner.

I did accumulate a handful of accounts with a few services over the years on this planet with domains I no longer own and had to change in the past^^ could be a bit of a security issue when someone else acquires the domain afterwards and gains access 😬

Edit: for some context on how some of them happend, I used to be c admin for a shitload of domains and to some extent did use the emails for some related thing. Some stuff was fully mine and I just forgot about the service 😅

Obelous · August 16

@HostDZire said:

@Mainfrezzer said:

@HostDZire said:

@Alilang said:

@barbaros said:

@Alilang said:

@HostDZire said:

@Alilang said:

@HostDZire said:

@Alilang said:
The server is good, but the owner is not a trustworthy person.

Really ? how ?

Did you ever say anything to the effect that the renewal fee would remain unchanged for three years and that the email address could be modified?

Why we need to say that ? we clearly said price is subject to change,
Till now i have not even increased price, did we ? maybe i should increase it now ?

For email modification long ago we modified TOS, sent email, also informed in LET by saying we no longer allow it.

If you dont like dont buy, if you dont trust dont buy.
Buy from someone who you trust, you will find they also unable to satisfy you, because your expecation might be the problem.

I only registered the account using a custom domain email because you stated that the email address could be changed later. Now that I no longer own that domain, my account is effectively out of my control. I registered the account after you made that promise, yet the terms were altered subsequently—you tell me, is that right?

That's not provider's fault that you no longer own that domain right? If you will use a custom domain for your email, register it for 10 years, and these issues doesn't happen.

I can confirm that the domain is unrelated to the merchant. Claiming that the email address could be changed—only for that not to be the case—is unforgivable. I should have just used Gmail to sign up.

Unhappy ? take refund of remaining days ? but dont force us to do something we stated already in TOS we dont do it anymore, else why we had to modify TOS and informed all users via email for new rule ? you had 7 days time, you didnt contacted us during that did you ?

Did you even read the email ?
You are claiming we said something in some forum post, but what about the email we sent ?
Why are you not talking about that ?

Excuse me, but where exactly does it state that you cannot change your email address there? There is a clause regarding transfers but clearly, updating an email address because you no longer own the domain doesn't fall under that.

First of all we are not targeting the email change.
We are targeting those who sell their account via email change.
So there is no clear rule in TOS for email change. But it says we dont allow transfer.
And also says by changing email you cant bypass transfer rule.
And we also say if you attempt doing that we may suspend service, but we never suspended just rejected the email change request.

In HostDZire account email is locked for security purposes,
We have had events where customer sold their vps to others and then were changing email to getting their vps back. multiple fraud were reported. hence we locked the email.

Also alot of case came where customer even sold their whole account and created dispute with paypal/stripe to get money back.

Infact when we were doing transfer, that time customer sold their vps to new client, we transfered then original customer created dispute to get money back, in that case new customers vps was suspended, hence someone else suffered.

When we get request for email change, and if we suspect its because client is trying to sell the service to another client

Then,
What we do is suggest them to add new email to the account to solve their problem.
If that doesnt do the job, we can also ask for KYC, Payment proof to prove their ownership. in simple terms if your request is 100% legit then we might change it, but we know 99% of the requests for email change are due to selling their account/service.

Earlier you said you changed it to disallow changing your email.

@HostDZire said: For email modification long ago we modified TOS, sent email, also informed in LET by saying we no longer allow it.

I interpret that completely differently from:

@HostDZire said: If that doesnt do the job, we can also ask for KYC, Payment proof to prove their ownership. in simple terms if your request is 100% legit then we might change it

I interpret the former as I can't change it at all.

HostDZire · August 16

@Obelous said:

@HostDZire said:

@Mainfrezzer said:

@HostDZire said:

@Alilang said:

@barbaros said:

@Alilang said:

@HostDZire said:

@Alilang said:

@HostDZire said:

@Alilang said:
The server is good, but the owner is not a trustworthy person.

Really ? how ?

Did you ever say anything to the effect that the renewal fee would remain unchanged for three years and that the email address could be modified?

Why we need to say that ? we clearly said price is subject to change,
Till now i have not even increased price, did we ? maybe i should increase it now ?

For email modification long ago we modified TOS, sent email, also informed in LET by saying we no longer allow it.

If you dont like dont buy, if you dont trust dont buy.
Buy from someone who you trust, you will find they also unable to satisfy you, because your expecation might be the problem.

I only registered the account using a custom domain email because you stated that the email address could be changed later. Now that I no longer own that domain, my account is effectively out of my control. I registered the account after you made that promise, yet the terms were altered subsequently—you tell me, is that right?

That's not provider's fault that you no longer own that domain right? If you will use a custom domain for your email, register it for 10 years, and these issues doesn't happen.

I can confirm that the domain is unrelated to the merchant. Claiming that the email address could be changed—only for that not to be the case—is unforgivable. I should have just used Gmail to sign up.

Unhappy ? take refund of remaining days ? but dont force us to do something we stated already in TOS we dont do it anymore, else why we had to modify TOS and informed all users via email for new rule ? you had 7 days time, you didnt contacted us during that did you ?

Did you even read the email ?
You are claiming we said something in some forum post, but what about the email we sent ?
Why are you not talking about that ?

Excuse me, but where exactly does it state that you cannot change your email address there? There is a clause regarding transfers but clearly, updating an email address because you no longer own the domain doesn't fall under that.

First of all we are not targeting the email change.
We are targeting those who sell their account via email change.
So there is no clear rule in TOS for email change. But it says we dont allow transfer.
And also says by changing email you cant bypass transfer rule.
And we also say if you attempt doing that we may suspend service, but we never suspended just rejected the email change request.

In HostDZire account email is locked for security purposes,
We have had events where customer sold their vps to others and then were changing email to getting their vps back. multiple fraud were reported. hence we locked the email.

Also alot of case came where customer even sold their whole account and created dispute with paypal/stripe to get money back.

Infact when we were doing transfer, that time customer sold their vps to new client, we transfered then original customer created dispute to get money back, in that case new customers vps was suspended, hence someone else suffered.

When we get request for email change, and if we suspect its because client is trying to sell the service to another client

Then,
What we do is suggest them to add new email to the account to solve their problem.
If that doesnt do the job, we can also ask for KYC, Payment proof to prove their ownership. in simple terms if your request is 100% legit then we might change it, but we know 99% of the requests for email change are due to selling their account/service.

Earlier you said you changed it to disallow changing your email.

@HostDZire said: For email modification long ago we modified TOS, sent email, also informed in LET by saying we no longer allow it.

I interpret that completely differently from:

@HostDZire said: If that doesnt do the job, we can also ask for KYC, Payment proof to prove their ownership. in simple terms if your request is 100% legit then we might change it

I interpret the former as I can't change it at all.

What we mean is you cant change email directly from your account. its not allowed
There Email and country is locked, and not allowed to change.
And this change we did a year ago and modifed TOS and sent emails.
TOS informed users about rule change about promotion plan and email change bypass rule.

And manual request is handeled like we said above.
TOS has multiple points using which we can reject email change or ask for KYC to verify ownership.

As this point i think i might just add a clear rule in TOS regarding email change being locked as well, but that will also effect legit users, so we have kept it balanced to act on case to case basis.

bobsburgers · August 16

Any dedicated.server deals/stock

HostDZire · August 16

@bobsburgers said:
Any dedicated.server deals/stock

None available currently, leaseweb raised price heavily so its not possible to get old price anymore.

default · August 16

@HostDZire — have you thought about moving away from Leaseweb?

HostDZire · August 16

@default said:
@HostDZire — have you thought about moving away from Leaseweb?

Multiple times, but if you think of whole package we get with leaseweb then there is not much alternative we can get who can offer similar things we have with leaseweb.

Infact when we started using colocation we first checked others, but later decided to stick with leaseweb for colocation too. now we have multiple colocation racks with lsw in diff diff region. We now have Singapore, Japan, Hong Kong, Netherlands. in which Netherlands is live, Japan is live, next is Singapore and HK. its not setup yet. just paying them.

itachikonoha · August 17

So.... Some People are complaining about @HostDZire not being able to give guarantee regarding price inspite being member of that small pool who didn't increase the price (yet) but people have no objection and GLWS to those providers who actually increased price.

What am I missing here?

chatbox · August 17

The recent hack this company had in India itself coupled with the accusatory tone this person writes here , I would stay a yard away from them for anything reliable. Rather make that 2 Yards ! You cannot talk to a customer an ex customer or even prospective customer in such way no matter what you're offering . Period ! I'm with managed companies and unmanaged ones but noone talks in such a tone ! Been on WHT since 2003 too and i can say when you see such tones, the end is near !

Astro · August 17

@chatbox said:
The recent hack this company had in India itself coupled with the accusatory tone this person writes here , I would stay a yard away from them for anything reliable. Rather make that 2 Yards ! You cannot talk to a customer an ex customer or even prospective customer in such way no matter what you're offering . Period ! I'm with managed companies and unmanaged ones but noone talks in such a tone ! Been on WHT since 2003 too and i can say when you see such tones, the end is near !

bye bye sir

Tandoor · August 17

@chatbox said:
The recent hack this company had in India itself coupled with the accusatory tone this person writes here , I would stay a yard away from them for anything reliable. Rather make that 2 Yards ! You cannot talk to a customer an ex customer or even prospective customer in such way no matter what you're offering . Period ! I'm with managed companies and unmanaged ones but noone talks in such a tone ! Been on WHT since 2003 too and i can say when you see such tones, the end is near !

What tone? Haven't seen anything bad tone from them.

khalequzzaman · August 17

@HostDZire could you please check the DM, or ticket: #060353

HostDZire · August 17

@khalequzzaman said:
@HostDZire could you please check the DM, or ticket: #060353

replied your ticket.

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