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ServerHost Reviews?

(Please don't be mean. I seriously don't understand this stuff)

I asked Claude Opus 5 to analyze the latest deals from ServerHost, Racknerd and Dedirock.
However, I couldn't find any such reviews. Did anyone experience "CPU Steal?"

Comments

  • @BritnneyB said:
    (Please don't be mean. I seriously don't understand this stuff)

    I asked Claude Opus 5 to analyze the latest deals from ServerHost, Racknerd and Dedirock.
    However, I couldn't find any such reviews. Did anyone experience "CPU Steal?"

    Using a search engine isnt hard this was literally the first result

    @forest said:
    We need a YABS.

    Will this have sustained >80% CPU steal like some of the other locations you host?

  • tzulitzuli Member

    I would be wary of any VPS that has >80% CPU steal. If it ever reaches 100% you lose the server forever

    Thanked by 1forest
  • forestforest Member

    @tzuli said:
    I would be wary of any VPS that has >80% CPU steal. If it ever reaches 100% you lose the server forever

    That's a fail-safe. They say if it ever hits 101%, you lose all your servers.

  • tzulitzuli Member

    ServerHost's i9 / Ryzen 9 nodes are fresh so they have very little CPU steal for now. It will increase over time as they sell more of those VPS. Only ServerHost knows how many customers they will eventually pack into each node, but the track record is not good

    For those particular nodes I wouldn't worry too much about CPU performance. Even if they oversell it should be pretty good

    Thanked by 1BritnneyB
  • forestforest Member
    edited August 6

    @BritnneyB said: However, I couldn't find any such reviews. Did anyone experience "CPU Steal?"

    You tell me. And this has been a relatively good week!

    steal

    @BritnneyB said: (Please don't be mean. I seriously don't understand this stuff)

    No worries, it's simple: A 20% CPU steal, for instance, means that there's a 20% chance that your CPU will be stolen by the owner of the service every time you connect to the VPS. That's the only way providers can stay in business, after all.

    Jokes aside, high CPU steal happens when the host is overloaded (usually because they've sold more VPSes than their hardware is capable of running at full speed). A 20% CPU steal means that the physical core on the host is overloaded and you lose 20% of possible performance. A 0% CPU steal means the physical core is otherwise idle and all available for you. A 90% CPU steal means that you're only getting a tenth of the underlying physical core's time. Two VPS' virtual cores both trying to run at 100%, if allocated to a single physical core, will cause both of those VPSes to see 50% steal, for example.

    Your LLM is exaggerating when it says it's a "real reliability issue", though. While CPU steal can indicate that a host is not well-managed and is often associated with less reliable hosts, all CPU steal causes in isolation is lower CPU performance.

  • forestforest Member
    edited August 6

    @tzuli said:
    ServerHost's i9 / Ryzen 9 nodes are fresh so they have very little CPU steal for now. It will increase over time as they sell more of those VPS. Only ServerHost knows how many customers they will eventually pack into each node, but the track record is not good

    For those particular nodes I wouldn't worry too much about CPU performance. Even if they oversell it should be pretty good

    I don't know about that. While i9 and Ryzen cores are very fast, the chipset has very few cores. I'd much rather a big blundering oversold Xeon or EPYC with 48+ slower cores than the same number of VPSes squeezed onto 16 fast cores.

    Thanked by 1BritnneyB
  • tzulitzuli Member

    @forest said: I don't know about that. While i9 and Ryzen cores are very fast, the chipset has very few cores. I'd much rather a big blundering oversold Xeon or EPYC with 48+ slower cores than the same number of VPSes squeezed onto 16 fast cores.

    I doubt that these nodes have enough memory capacity to be oversold as badly as their other servers. And honestly I haven't seen any host manage to oversell a CPU like 14900K/9950X/7950X to the point of actually having bad performance

    Either way it probably won't be a issue for OP. It's more likely that any other part of the VPS would bottleneck before an oversold 14900K

    Thanked by 2forest BritnneyB
  • forestforest Member

    @tzuli said: I doubt that these nodes have enough memory capacity to be oversold as badly as their other servers.

    That may be true, but it's ServerHost we're talking about here. They could probably give you baremetal with CPU steal.

    Thanked by 1BritnneyB
  • tzulitzuli Member

    Yeah don't get me wrong, this is disgusting

    Thanked by 1BritnneyB
  • host_chost_c Patron Provider, Top Host, Megathread Squad

    @forest said:

    @BritnneyB said: However, I couldn't find any such reviews. Did anyone experience "CPU Steal?"

    You tell me. And this has been a relatively good week!

    steal

    @BritnneyB said: (Please don't be mean. I seriously don't understand this stuff)

    No worries, it's simple: A 20% CPU steal, for instance, means that there's a 20% chance that your CPU will be stolen by the owner of the service every time you connect to the VPS. That's the only way providers can stay in business, after all.

    Jokes aside, high CPU steal happens when the host is overloaded (usually because they've sold more VPSes than their hardware is capable of running at full speed). A 20% CPU steal means that the physical core on the host is overloaded and you lose 20% of possible performance. A 0% CPU steal means the physical core is otherwise idle and all available for you. A 90% CPU steal means that you're only getting a tenth of the underlying physical core's time. Two VPS' virtual cores both trying to run at 100%, if allocated to a single physical core, will cause both of those VPSes to see 50% steal, for example.

    Your LLM is exaggerating when it says it's a "real reliability issue", though. While CPU steal can indicate that a host is not well-managed and is often associated with less reliable hosts, all CPU steal causes in isolation is lower CPU performance.

    Someone is stealing your time brotha, why stay?

    Thanked by 1BritnneyB
  • tpolltpoll Member, Patron Provider

    Hi there, thanks for looking into ServerHost. If you need more CPU it could be worthwhile to take a look at our CPU-optimized plans which start at $16.99/year

    Or feel free to take a look at our Ryzen plans, which start at $35/year

    Happy to answer any other questions

  • forestforest Member
    edited August 7

    @tpoll said:
    Hi there, thanks for looking into ServerHost. If you need more CPU it could be worthwhile to take a look at our CPU-optimized plans which start at $16.99/year

    Or feel free to take a look at our Ryzen plans, which start at $35/year

    Happy to answer any other questions

    OK that's not the best response. High CPU steal is indicative of something going wrong, not that it simply isn't "CPU-optimized". The real solution would be to teach your staff how to migrate VMs between nodes so that you can better balance your workload.

    Thanked by 1BritnneyB
  • BritnneyBBritnneyB Member
    edited August 7

    @tpoll said:
    Hi there, thanks for looking into ServerHost. If you need more CPU it could be worthwhile to take a look at our CPU-optimized plans which start at $16.99/year

    Or feel free to take a look at our Ryzen plans, which start at $35/year

    Happy to answer any other questions

    I'm so glad you answered like this and made it easy for me. I don't mean any disrespect, but you're kinda saying saying, buy a different plan to keep all of your resources! (or something like that) =) Either way, I guess you're not denying it and I don't blame you!

  • @forest @tzuli The further I scrolled through the responses, the more dread I felt :s — I barely understood what you guys were saying. That said, I really appreciate the replies and you all sharing your knowledge. <3 :*

    Thanked by 1tzuli
  • @BritnneyB said:

    @tpoll said:
    Hi there, thanks for looking into ServerHost. If you need more CPU it could be worthwhile to take a look at our CPU-optimized plans which start at $16.99/year

    Or feel free to take a look at our Ryzen plans, which start at $35/year

    Happy to answer any other questions

    I'm so glad you answered like this and made it easy for me. I don't mean any disrespect, but you're kinda saying saying, buy a different plan to keep all of your resources! (or something like that) =) Either way, I guess you're not denying it and I don't blame you!

    Actually, F it, I'm going to try a "CPU" optimized plan

  • forestforest Member

    @BritnneyB said:

    @BritnneyB said:

    @tpoll said:
    Hi there, thanks for looking into ServerHost. If you need more CPU it could be worthwhile to take a look at our CPU-optimized plans which start at $16.99/year

    Or feel free to take a look at our Ryzen plans, which start at $35/year

    Happy to answer any other questions

    I'm so glad you answered like this and made it easy for me. I don't mean any disrespect, but you're kinda saying saying, buy a different plan to keep all of your resources! (or something like that) =) Either way, I guess you're not denying it and I don't blame you!

    Actually, F it, I'm going to try a "CPU" optimized plan

    What do you need from a server?

    Thanked by 1tzuli
  • @forest said:

    @BritnneyB said:

    @BritnneyB said:

    @tpoll said:
    Hi there, thanks for looking into ServerHost. If you need more CPU it could be worthwhile to take a look at our CPU-optimized plans which start at $16.99/year

    Or feel free to take a look at our Ryzen plans, which start at $35/year

    Happy to answer any other questions

    I'm so glad you answered like this and made it easy for me. I don't mean any disrespect, but you're kinda saying saying, buy a different plan to keep all of your resources! (or something like that) =) Either way, I guess you're not denying it and I don't blame you!

    Actually, F it, I'm going to try a "CPU" optimized plan

    What do you need from a server?

    @dustinc came in with that charming customer service so I'm just going to get another Racknerd server. @forest Thank you for your generous help. Online spaces can often feel disheartening, so I genuinely appreciate you.

    Thanked by 3forest tzuli dustinc
  • forestforest Member
    edited August 7

    @BritnneyB said: Online spaces can often feel disheartening, so I genuinely appreciate you.

    You've been lucky here because LET can be really hard on people!

    And yeah, RackNerd is pretty solid. I have a VPS with them and tend to forget about it because it just works.

  • @forest said:

    @BritnneyB said: Online spaces can often feel disheartening, so I genuinely appreciate you.

    You've been lucky here because LET can be really hard on people!

    I've noticed on Reddit that the more experienced the users or subs, the harsher they tend to be. The LET users all seem so technically proficient, so I was sure I'd get skewered. I guess I should always put a disclaimer on my posts. :p

    Thanked by 1tzuli
  • tzulitzuli Member

    @forest said: OK that's not the best response. High CPU steal is indicative of something going wrong, not that it simply isn't "CPU-optimized".

    It doesn't even make sense. He linked their cheapest xeon plan, which isn't "CPU-optimized" in any way

    Thanked by 1forest
  • dustincdustinc Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    @BritnneyB said:

    @forest said:

    @BritnneyB said:

    @BritnneyB said:

    @tpoll said:
    Hi there, thanks for looking into ServerHost. If you need more CPU it could be worthwhile to take a look at our CPU-optimized plans which start at $16.99/year

    Or feel free to take a look at our Ryzen plans, which start at $35/year

    Happy to answer any other questions

    I'm so glad you answered like this and made it easy for me. I don't mean any disrespect, but you're kinda saying saying, buy a different plan to keep all of your resources! (or something like that) =) Either way, I guess you're not denying it and I don't blame you!

    Actually, F it, I'm going to try a "CPU" optimized plan

    What do you need from a server?

    @dustinc came in with that charming customer service so I'm just going to get another Racknerd server. @forest Thank you for your generous help. Online spaces can often feel disheartening, so I genuinely appreciate you.

    Hi @BritnneyB -- Thank You! We sincerely appreciate your continued business and for trusting RackNerd :)

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