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I don't think distillation alone is enough for Kimi to evolve into a version that poses a genuine threat.
Perhaps only when open-source models surpass closed-source ones will the talk about distillation finally be put to rest.
Or the time it took to catch up was so short that no one believed it.
made me ne'd. this is barely 1 model in 2T class, i sure hope the chinese won't stop releasing even more of them.
if you care about certain model, make sure to have it stored locally. wouldn't be surprising if american got assblasted so hard that they start ruling huggingface to kicks out chinese model.
the mongolian basket weaving forum also already meming llamacpp will cull the inference support for chinese model since they already got bankrolled by huggingface.
you still can download them from modelscope, sure. downloading doesn't require account afaik. but uploading does need one with mandatory phone number verification (and i need one to mirror my quants/memetunes, probably resorting in account buying)
@ScreenReader lol
I don't think anyone should be banning any models. I doubt many people are simultaneously saying that the US shouldn't ban Chinese models but vice versa is fine.
Sure, I agree, but you’ll have a competitive advantage if China is banning US models but not the other way around.
China will never, ever, unban US models. So question is given this, at some point, is the US giving China an unfair advantage letting them do whatever and still funding their AI CAPEX with american enterprise money?
It’s open weights when weights are released, not because there’s claim they’ll be released at some point. That’s my opinion at least.
Nobody would call software open source if the dev said they will provide source code later on.
Once an open model gets released it can be distilled to the max, there's no way to avoid that.
Hey timbo, have you been doing crack again??
You must say NO!
Crack is whack!
Distillation purifies, makes it less dangerous
For distillation to be ip theft, every single prompt response should become the ip of the AI company. Wouldn't everyone that vibe coded an app also be participating in ip theft?
It's not IP theft, it's breaking the terms of the service. There could typically be civil consequences of this but it can't because the companies are chinese. Keep in mind it's nost just abusing the terms in case of how it's used but more so in the case (highly likely) of thousands of fake accounts.
Everyone is abusing with no consequences
There is no law force only law farce, mere theatrical performances, no fair processes in place.
There are no consequences for terrible very awful people. Zero accountability.
The last time I heard, feeding ai with Torrents is fair use, so surely this is fair use too, given that ai stuff can't be intellectual property.
My 2c - When You pay per token to ask question for code, then pay per token to get an answer that code, (no matter good or bad ) if using that answer code to train your AI make money is intellectual property theft...
Then vibe coding for profit is intellectual property theft from frontline AI API providers...
Using an AI service against their terms to generate a competing model is my definition not fair use
Fair use is used for like including IP material when criticizing it, such as in artistic works
Why should US allow China to operate in the US if China don’t allow the US to operate in China?
Still haven’t gotten a response to this
good luck trying to remotely enforce that if the law is already ignorable. Its rather trivial to use any service without having agreed to the terms of the service.
You’re right. It’s not enforcable to chinese companies. This is why chinese companies do it while american ones don’t.
you cant even enforce it within the states. Or anywhere really. Applies to anything. Theres a bunch of terms ive never agreed on. Windows for example. Now, im gonna let your imagination let lose. Just keep in mind, they have to prove that you were the person that agreed to the terms.
To summarize, not worth the paper they're printed on.
Ah ok
Still looking forward to a reply to this:
There is no response to that. However, smart politicians usually build bridges, while stupid politicians build walls. Right now there are some very stupid ones who want to isolate their citizens from all sides. Humanity should unite, not separate or divide. There is a vast universe waiting for us, but we're too busy building weapons and walls and cutting each other's resources. Wiser people would see a bigger picture which does not include themselves.
https://x.com/kimi_moonshot/status/2081760186235289764
https://huggingface.co/moonshotai/Kimi-K3
Sharing for an yo me who doubted release
@PulsedMedia do you got 1.4TB worth of GPU lying around?
If so please provide me with a 10 year payback period.
LOL. I didn't doubt you.
On the other news, There's a chance AMD may release DDR6-based system on 2028.
lol i wish.
Well individual GPUs all that are laying around might account for a large fraction of that, but there is no way to cluster (afaik) a bunch of discreet old GPUs, atleast to work fast enough to be meaningful.
Regardless, as i have stated API is just cheaper than even electricity unless you can buy the latest: https://wiki.pulsedmedia.com/wiki/Self-Hosting_LLMs_vs_API