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How is GreenCloud cheap?

They give astonishingly great specs, NVMe drives even for half market prices and still have restock almost every other month for most locations.

How do they do it? Do they really have a lot of customers on the normal monthly tiers that make it affordable for them to offer their budget plans?

I've been told it isn't sustainable and I'm sure it isn't, but for how long will they hold on in this market.

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  • hopefully very long :smiley:

  • edited July 6

    Given they are around for a good while without deadpooling it seems their calculation works out for them. How that calculation looks like is obviously something nobody but GreenCloud would be able to tell you and they won't. Chances are a favorable business environment (they are in Asia and not regulation-galore-price-hike-Europe after all) is likely going to play some role.

  • WilliamWilliam Member

    @totally_not_banned said: How that calculation looks like is obviously something nobody but GreenCloud would be able to tell you and they won't.

    Unless they IPO then they have no chance.

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  • hennaboyhennaboy Member

    @neighhouse said:
    They give astonishingly great specs, NVMe drives even for half market prices and still have restock almost every other month for most locations.

    How do they do it? Do they really have a lot of customers on the normal monthly tiers that make it affordable for them to offer their budget plans?

    I've been told it isn't sustainable and I'm sure it isn't, but for how long will they hold on in this market.

    By having a solid business plan and knowing your margins.

    People who believe it's unsustainable do so as they have no idea of their costs, margins or anything else.

  • TangeTange Member

    greencloudvps.com?

    they are NOT cheap, they may have some "cheap" promotion deals, these deals are non-refund annual deal with very restrict resource limit, mainly used by Chinese for proxy use

  • @Tange said:
    greencloudvps.com?

    they are NOT cheap, they may have some "cheap" promotion deals, these deals are non-refund annual deal with very restrict resource limit, mainly used by Chinese for proxy use

    This. They are definitely not cheap.

    But have some cheap package which are very limited in number.

  • edited July 6

    @Tange said:
    greencloudvps.com?

    they are NOT cheap, they may have some "cheap" promotion deals, these deals are non-refund annual deal with very restrict resource limit, mainly used by Chinese for proxy use

    Hmm, i wouldn't really call their $25/y, $35/y or $45/y VPS very restricted but then it's debatable which or how far those still pass as cheap.

    Also i have a feeling that at this point everything that doesn't have at least like 4 cores, 8GB RAM and 10TB of traffic is considered restricted by some people, which is partly also debatable but regularly simply a skill issue.

  • hennaboyhennaboy Member

    @totally_not_banned said:

    @Tange said:
    greencloudvps.com?

    they are NOT cheap, they may have some "cheap" promotion deals, these deals are non-refund annual deal with very restrict resource limit, mainly used by Chinese for proxy use

    Hmm, i wouldn't really call their $25/y, $35/y or $45/y VPS very restricted but then it's debatable which or how far those still pass as cheap.

    Also i have a feeling that at this point everything that doesn't have at least like 4 cores, 8GB RAM and 10TB of traffic is considered restricted by some people, which is partly also debatable but regularly simply a skill issue.

    4 cores with a 30% policy keeps those machines ticking along nicely!

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  • @totally_not_banned said:

    @Tange said:
    greencloudvps.com?

    they are NOT cheap, they may have some "cheap" promotion deals, these deals are non-refund annual deal with very restrict resource limit, mainly used by Chinese for proxy use

    Hmm, i wouldn't really call their $25/y, $35/y or $45/y VPS very restricted but then it's debatable which or how far those still pass as cheap.

    Also i have a feeling that at this point everything that doesn't have at least like 4 cores, 8GB RAM and 10TB of traffic is considered restricted by some people, which is partly also debatable but regularly simply a skill issue.

    Most are just promo offer and are out of stock.

    It's not as if GC has huge stock of such servers and offering everyday.

  • TangeTange Member

    @itachikonoha said:

    Most are just promo offer and are out of stock.

    It's not as if GC has huge stock of such servers and offering everyday.

    yeah, you can take these offers are advertisements, but i believe they still can make some money on these plans

  • stable_geniusstable_genius Member
    edited July 6

    @hennaboy said:

    @neighhouse said:
    They give astonishingly great specs, NVMe drives even for half market prices and still have restock almost every other month for most locations.

    How do they do it? Do they really have a lot of customers on the normal monthly tiers that make it affordable for them to offer their budget plans?

    I've been told it isn't sustainable and I'm sure it isn't, but for how long will they hold on in this market.

    By having a solid business plan and knowing your margins.

    People who believe it's unsustainable do so as they have no idea of their costs, margins or anything else.

    That and also people who have a good idea of costs and margins but are not very efficient, and execute poorly. People with performance issues.

  • edited July 6

    @itachikonoha said:

    @totally_not_banned said:

    @Tange said:
    greencloudvps.com?

    they are NOT cheap, they may have some "cheap" promotion deals, these deals are non-refund annual deal with very restrict resource limit, mainly used by Chinese for proxy use

    Hmm, i wouldn't really call their $25/y, $35/y or $45/y VPS very restricted but then it's debatable which or how far those still pass as cheap.

    Also i have a feeling that at this point everything that doesn't have at least like 4 cores, 8GB RAM and 10TB of traffic is considered restricted by some people, which is partly also debatable but regularly simply a skill issue.

    Most are just promo offer and are out of stock.

    It's not as if GC has huge stock of such servers and offering everyday.

    Well, i've been checking them quite regularly lately and for the most part it's only the $15/y offers that are unvailable. For $25 and up there's more than enough at pretty much any given time. Maybe not exactly this or that location but overall they seem pretty well stocked to me.

  • DrNutellaDrNutella Member

    Ok

  • AlteredParadoxAlteredParadox Member, Megathread Squad

    all the $3.2/yr ryzens! :D

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  • nghialelenghialele Member

    Being with them for the past 10y on and off, never see pricing is an issue. Thanks for the solid stable of services Greencloud.

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  • AlteredParadoxAlteredParadox Member, Megathread Squad

    My preciouses

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  • @hennaboy said:

    @neighhouse said:
    They give astonishingly great specs, NVMe drives even for half market prices and still have restock almost every other month for most locations.

    How do they do it? Do they really have a lot of customers on the normal monthly tiers that make it affordable for them to offer their budget plans?

    I've been told it isn't sustainable and I'm sure it isn't, but for how long will they hold on in this market.

    By having a solid business plan and knowing your margins.

    People who believe it's unsustainable do so as they have no idea of their costs, margins or anything else.

    That is very true, they must have something going for themselves. But I wonder if the Rampocalypse will make them change their plans or not. I guess time will tell.

  • neighhouseneighhouse Member
    edited July 7

    @Tange said:
    greencloudvps.com?

    they are NOT cheap, they may have some "cheap" promotion deals, these deals are non-refund annual deal with very restrict resource limit, mainly used by Chinese for proxy use

    They are pretty cheap? I have like 3 VPSes from there of the 25 and 45 dollah budget tiers and while the non-refund might be a pain point for some, they don't restrict resource limit except for the CPU but that is normal in shared VPS environments and bursts are more allowed than the rest.

    I have have had like 5-6 tickets open with them since I got their services and they always respond under 15 minutes and always they are always helpful and even migrated my VPS to another node for free.

    Do you know of any cheap providers with similar specs, nvme 8tb bandwidth 10gbps etc for the same price? I'm genuinely interested because I would give something a chance outside of GreenCloud and DediRock.

  • @totally_not_banned said:
    Given they are around for a good while without deadpooling it seems their calculation works out for them. How that calculation looks like is obviously something nobody but GreenCloud would be able to tell you and they won't. Chances are a favorable business environment (they are in Asia and not regulation-galore-price-hike-Europe after all) is likely going to play some role.

    I am likely to be wrong and I might a lil uneducated on this but isn't Asia (I think they are in Singapore/Vietnam?) expensive than EU because I've always seen cloud providers have higher pricing for deploying in Asia compared to Europe but yeah my examples come from public cloud so not exactly comparable.

  • I don't like you mate, I really don't. I came here as an innocent virgin with a 7$ DediRock VPS and now I have 3 GreenCloud VPSes and likely more when you restock next month, I have a crippling addiction to add more nodes to my Beszel dashboard and YOU are the drug dealer that keeps supplying.

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  • @AlteredParadox said:

    My preciouses

    Could you tell me what are those 3.2/y Ryzen deals? I am interested if they are still available on GC

  • LeviLevi Member

    How one should be loko to ask such question… After this provider will rightfully up the price, because customers ask for it! Damn, that is some hard lunacy :-/

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  • dosaidosai Member

    Adding, they have the fastest support I've ever seen.

  • edited July 7

    @neighhouse said:

    @totally_not_banned said:
    Given they are around for a good while without deadpooling it seems their calculation works out for them. How that calculation looks like is obviously something nobody but GreenCloud would be able to tell you and they won't. Chances are a favorable business environment (they are in Asia and not regulation-galore-price-hike-Europe after all) is likely going to play some role.

    I am likely to be wrong and I might a lil uneducated on this but isn't Asia (I think they are in Singapore/Vietnam?) expensive than EU because I've always seen cloud providers have higher pricing for deploying in Asia compared to Europe but yeah my examples come from public cloud so not exactly comparable.

    Well, as far as expensive goes it's mostly the local bandwidth. Otherwise chances are most operational costs will be lower (maybe short of space in HK or something similar) and a huge chunk of GCs offers aren't in Asia (and those that are basically reflect the badwidth part) to begin with, so they get the low overhead of operating a company in Asia paired with cheap bandwidth elsewhere. It's not so much the technical side of things but rather the regulatory one.

    Just to get at the most obvious: Business tax is likely comparatively low, they don't have the charge VAT (to out of country costumers - no idea about locally), their labor costs aren't as inflated by mandatory addons/deductions, energy is likely cheaper too, they don't have to comply with a metric ton of arbitrary requirements (just try something seemingly simple like "no money back on this deal" in the EU - if you manage to do this legally at all it will be painful and comes with a ton of pitfalls), ...

  • ralfralf Member

    @neighhouse said:

    @AlteredParadox said:

    My preciouses

    Could you tell me what are those 3.2/y Ryzen deals? I am interested if they are still available on GC

    Likely a very limited quantity flash deal on one of their birthday events or a megathread event. Would have sold out in seconds.

  • @ralf said:

    @neighhouse said:

    @AlteredParadox said:

    My preciouses

    Could you tell me what are those 3.2/y Ryzen deals? I am interested if they are still available on GC

    Likely a very limited quantity flash deal on one of their birthday events or a megathread event. Would have sold out in seconds.

    Yeah, there's basically no point in asking. At $3.2/y people would just buy them by the truckload until the inevitable deadpool. Can't be anything but an extremely limited promotional offer but i can already see the threads "[WTB] Looking for GreenCloud $3.2/y Ryzen promo transfer!!"...

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  • AlteredParadoxAlteredParadox Member, Megathread Squad

    @totally_not_banned said:

    @ralf said:

    @neighhouse said:

    @AlteredParadox said:

    My preciouses

    Could you tell me what are those 3.2/y Ryzen deals? I am interested if they are still available on GC

    Likely a very limited quantity flash deal on one of their birthday events or a megathread event. Would have sold out in seconds.

    Yeah, there's basically no point in asking. At $3.2/y people would just buy them by the truckload until the inevitable deadpool. Can't be anything but an extremely limited promotional offer but i can already see the threads "[WTB] Looking for GreenCloud $3.2/y Ryzen promo transfer!!"...

    I refreshed so many times that day… and didn’t really sleep… lol

  • zedzed Member

    does anybody run a greencloud notifier? i been halfassed looking for a jax $15/yr for a while but always forget to check.

  • JabJabJabJab Member

    hey @zed just friendly reminder that you wanted to buy JAX for 15$, check if it is there.

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