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Now The Bad Guys Have AI As Powerful As Mythos (and they will let you use it free NO KILL SWITCH)

stable_geniusstable_genius Member
edited 10:06AM in General

Unlike the good guys models the Zhipu's GLM-5.2 is open-weight, that is, the bad guys made their model free to use by anyone who has the hardware and the know-how.

NO KILL SWITCH!!!

NO SUPERVISION!!!

UNFETTTTERED ACCESS!!!

What do you think of this, will it change anything in the low end?

As it can be taken freely I'm sure that the smaller bad guys will want to use it too in their nefarious actions so I wonder, will this translate into more business for LET providers?

Comments

  • I don't really follow this but who are those supposed good guys that heroically safeguard mankind? I don't think they exist, so i guess it'll just even the playing field. As much as i don't like AI it is what it is and i can't bring myself to care that much.

  • forestforest Member

    GLM-5.2 seems more around Opus level than Mythos/Fable level. Still very impressive, and it shows that the open models are always just a matter of months behind closed ones.

  • stable_geniusstable_genius Member
    edited 10:38AM

    @totally_not_banned said:
    I don't really follow this but who are those supposed good guys that heroically safeguard mankind? I don't think they exist, so i guess it'll just even the playing field. As much as i don't like AI it is what it is and i can't bring myself to care that much.

    I don't like AI either, most of it is just hype anyway. However, this is different because these models excel at finding bugs in code and that will have an impact on you whether you like it or not. You can ignore the hype but you cannot ignore this.

  • edited 10:42AM

    @stable_genius said:

    @totally_not_banned said:
    I don't really follow this but who are those supposed good guys that heroically safeguard mankind? I don't think they exist, so i guess it'll just even the playing field. As much as i don't like AI it is what it is and i can't bring myself to care that much.

    I don't like AI either, most of it is just hype anyway. However this is different because these models excel at finding bugs in code and that will have an impact on you whether you like it or not. You can ignore the hype but yo cannot ignore this.

    Well, those bugs would be found sooner or later anyways and the good guys keeping a thumb on it basically just means giving the CIA a head start. Finding + patching is the only solution.

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  • @stable_genius said: You can ignore the hype but you cannot ignore this.

    Why?

  • stable_geniusstable_genius Member
    edited 10:59AM

    @forest said:
    GLM-5.2 seems more around Opus level than Mythos/Fable level. Still very impressive, and it shows that the open models are always just a matter of months behind closed ones.

    One potential very bad side effect of this is hardware getting even more expensive because now the only way the good guys have to stop you from using the most powerful features of these models is by starving you of hardware.

    They once believed they could simply restrict their models to stop you from accessing the most powerful features but now they know their only option is to make hardware so expensive that scarcity of hardware will take care of stopping you.

  • @totally_not_banned said:

    @stable_genius said:

    @totally_not_banned said:
    I don't really follow this but who are those supposed good guys that heroically safeguard mankind? I don't think they exist, so i guess it'll just even the playing field. As much as i don't like AI it is what it is and i can't bring myself to care that much.

    I don't like AI either, most of it is just hype anyway. However this is different because these models excel at finding bugs in code and that will have an impact on you whether you like it or not. You can ignore the hype but yo cannot ignore this.

    Well, those bugs would be found sooner or later anyways and the good guys keeping a thumb on it basically just means giving the CIA a head start. Finding + patching is the only solution.

    Now the bugs will be found sooner, the CIA good guys will have to work harder and on a more level playing field.

  • stable_geniusstable_genius Member
    edited 11:02AM

    @nghialele said:

    @stable_genius said: You can ignore the hype but you cannot ignore this.

    Why?

    Because you'll have to patch your software more often, you will have to use unpatched vulnerable software more than you should. You will have to work harder to fix the vulnerabilities faster and risk suffering serious loss.

    This shit works at scale and subtle software vulnerabilities that otherwise would never emerge will from now on become very apparent.

    This is not just hype that you can safely ignore.

  • AlyxAlyx Member, Host Rep

    What is all this good / bad guys nonsense here?
    I get the feeling I'm reading some book for children 🫠

  • stable_geniusstable_genius Member
    edited 11:05AM

    @Alyx said:
    What is all this good / bad guys nonsense here?
    I get the feeling I'm reading some book for children 🫠

    Some call that SARCASM.

    I call it that too and it certainly is no child's business.

  • edited 11:09AM

    @stable_genius said:

    @totally_not_banned said:

    @stable_genius said:

    @totally_not_banned said:
    I don't really follow this but who are those supposed good guys that heroically safeguard mankind? I don't think they exist, so i guess it'll just even the playing field. As much as i don't like AI it is what it is and i can't bring myself to care that much.

    I don't like AI either, most of it is just hype anyway. However this is different because these models excel at finding bugs in code and that will have an impact on you whether you like it or not. You can ignore the hype but yo cannot ignore this.

    Well, those bugs would be found sooner or later anyways and the good guys keeping a thumb on it basically just means giving the CIA a head start. Finding + patching is the only solution.

    Now the bugs will be found sooner, the CIA good guys will have to work harder and on a more level playing field.

    Declaring any kind of secret service to be the proverbial good guys is a bit weird to me but in the end it probably simply comes down to many people not liking to be left vulnerable just because whoever wants to stack up its 0day collection.

    I mean just look back at the whole Flash debacle. How many of those exploits were also known to third parties (other services, generic cybercrime, ...) will forever stay an unknown variable. Sure, it's nice to be able to exploit your adversaries but when the cost includes leaving yourself open to the very same thing the whole concept starts looking a bit sketchy. It's basically security by insecurity, which is as much of an oxymoron as it sounds like.

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  • What I would like to know is if there are any LET providers capable of providing the hardware needed to run these models competitively.

    I'm doubtful.

  • AlyxAlyx Member, Host Rep

    Sure, just get the VPS with 1TB VRAM for $7/yr

  • @stable_genius said:

    @nghialele said:

    @stable_genius said: You can ignore the hype but you cannot ignore this.

    Why?

    Because you'll have to patch your software more often, you will have to use unpatched vulnerable software more than you should. You will have to work harder to fix the vulnerabilities faster and risk suffering serious loss.

    This shit works at scale and subtle software vulnerabilities that otherwise would never emerge will from now on become very apparent.

    This is not just hype that you can safely ignore.

    No i am not.

    @Alyx said:
    What is all this good / bad guys nonsense here?
    I get the feeling I'm reading some book for children 🫠

    Same feeling.

    What is good, what is bad?

    Who is going to be the judge for that?

    YOLO. Less worries more silly.

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