Looking for VPS with multiple IPv4 addresses

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• luckypenguin Member

  10:38AM

  @artemKA said: Preferably something automated, like proxy shops.

  Nobody needs it, especially not on datacenter/hosting IPs.
  For 4-5$/m you can buy ProtonVPN/Mullvad and have access to thousands of IPs.
  Who wants to pay the same for shitty shared VPS with limited bandwidth?

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• artemKA Member

  10:53AM edited 10:55AM

  @luckypenguin said:

  @artemKA said: Preferably something automated, like proxy shops.

  Nobody needs it, especially not on datacenter/hosting IPs.
  For 4-5$/m you can buy ProtonVPN/Mullvad and have access to thousands of IPs.
  Who wants to pay the same for shitty shared VPS with limited bandwidth?

  I mean automated shops in a Telegram bot. What can I sell there?
• totally_not_banned Member

  11:11AM

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  At Skhron additional IPv4 addresses are billed at €0.65/month

  Is the price per month?

  Yes

  It’s a bit expensive.

  Yeah is super expensive, better to go with hetzner and pay €1.70/month for an extra IP, or royalehost and pay €1/month. If you know anything about what extra IPs cost... Skhron is one of the cheapest options out there.

  Bro, I mean paying €11/month for the VPS + almost $1 per IP for 10 IPs, or paying $6/month for the VPS + around $1 per IP. The VPS price also matters when scaling.

  Yeah, something like a $12/y VPS hardly makes any profit (if it isn't a loss leader to begin with) even just factoring in IP costs. IP (v4) are a scarce commodity. They don't grow on trees. If you did your calculations based on $12/y VPS thinking the IPs can't be more than a couple percent of that i fear you'll have to go back to the drawing board.

  I understand. In your opinion, what is the most cost-effective approach for starting a proxy service right now?

  Get some cheap server at a provider that will announce client IP space and and rent the biggest chunk you can afford. A /24 (~254 IPs) will likely cost you between 90€/m and 120€/m (depending on seller, payment method, term length, prepayment, ...).

  If you want to push the price down further at least a little you'll probably have to go for something like a /21 (8 /24s or about 2000 IPs) or bigger but like i said, chances are you'll have to prepay for some months due the sellers being worried about their IPs reputations. If they get wind of your proxy business chances are a lot of them won't want to deal with you at all.

  TLDR: There isn't much you can do outside of scale, which you probably won't archive worrying about $6 on some VPS (it's not like you'll need a ton of hardware outside of maybe strong NICs for proxying to begin with). At that point you'd likely rent dedis anyways.

  Then how do some proxy shops manage to sell proxies for $0.3 each? How do you even start in this space if it’s so expensive and complicated to set up?

  • They rent absolutely massive chunks.
  • They sit on a lot of self owned IP space. Likely acquired when prices for actually buying IPs (as in owning them instead of renting from a third party) weren't as steep as they are today.
  • They acquire them through fraud
  • It's not really rented infrastructure but malware infected boxes

  Basically one of those.

  So does that mean starting your own proxy shop business is practically impossible, even with a budget of, say, $200?

  If the plan is to compete with the big dogs (as in sell for pennies) while ideally still turning a profit that's sadly likely the case. Unless you go big or resort to shady tactics it's almost impossible to go below something like $1/client/m in costs. Be it using Skhron's $0.65 IPs or by hoarding $12/y VPS deals.

  The math doesn't look much better when renting a small (/24) block either. You'll ideally have to pay about $0.35 on each IP (+ likely a percentage of the yearly cost of maintaining your RIPE/ARIN/whatever membership to be able to rent blocks) and put hardware costs on top of it. Given that putting 250 clients on a single gbit link is bound to result in not exactly stellar performance (at the very least you'll need some kind of truely unmetered deal or ideally a nice chunk of traffic on a 10gbit link) those won't be exactly zero either.

  Your only option would be to sell a single proxy to multiple people. Once you sold the same IP the like 3-5 people you might get to a place where you are making profit.

  Yes, I understand that I would need to sell one IP to multiple people. But how do you properly start this business? There are many nuances. For example, IP blocking

  Yes, and likely providers kicking you out due to your clients doing dumb shit.

  and while I’m building a customer base, the VPS and IP rental periods will expire, and other issues.

  Well, in theory you should be able to keep your infrastructure but practically there's going to be a lot of churn. You probably won't find some out of the box solution for that as noone likes their IPs being burnt. As i said a lot of sellers and by extension hosts will likely not even want to do business with you once they hear the word proxy.

  If you want my honest opinion: You should look for opportunities elsewhere. Proxies are a pretty shady business to begin with and you'll run into tons of trouble if you don't know what you are doing. It's not like there's some kind of easy money to be made anyways (well as long as you aren't simply monetizing your botnet). Dealing with all the problems around sourcing IPs, keeping them online while staying out of personal liability for whatever nonsense users do is no simple task.

  What niche could I consider for making money right now? Preferably something automated, like proxy shops.

  That's a good question, which i sadly don't have much of a good answer to. I doubt there's much - if any - easy money around currently. AI apis seem to have quite some demand right now but if you want to compete i fear you'll be pressured into less than ethical practices yet again (no idea how far proxying requests alone is already some kind of TOS violation), so i'm not sure i can really recommend that.

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