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What email verifier do you use?

sadnan07sadnan07 Member

There are many good email verifier out there but most are expensive. nobounce costs me more than sending actual emails. I recently found leadpure and mails.so. Which would be better? Mails.so says $9 first month but I guess the price would be more in upcoming months?

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  • I self-host Addy

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  • tentortentor Member, Host Rep

    I have an easier solution

    No cold spam marketing

  • rpqurpqu Member

    @tentor said:
    I have an easier solution

    No cold spam marketing

    Okay, when shkron is going to make sale thread? €12/y ?

    Thanked by 1buggedout
  • tentortentor Member, Host Rep

    @rpqu said:

    @tentor said:
    I have an easier solution

    No cold spam marketing

    Okay, when shkron is going to make sale thread? €12/y ?

    Thanked by 2barbaros forest
  • rpqurpqu Member

    @tentor said:

    @rpqu said:

    @tentor said:
    I have an easier solution

    No cold spam marketing

    Okay, when shkron is going to make sale thread? €12/y ?

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  • barbarosbarbaros Member

    @tentor said:

    @rpqu said:

    @tentor said:
    I have an easier solution

    No cold spam marketing

    Okay, when shkron is going to make sale thread? €12/y ?

    What about 7€/year ?

  • tentortentor Member, Host Rep

    @barbaros said:

    @tentor said:

    @rpqu said:

    @tentor said:
    I have an easier solution

    No cold spam marketing

    Okay, when shkron is going to make sale thread? €12/y ?

    What about 7€/year ?

    Thanked by 1barbaros
  • NetralexNetralex Member

    @barbaros said:

    @tentor said:

    @rpqu said:

    @tentor said:
    I have an easier solution

    No cold spam marketing

    Okay, when shkron is going to make sale thread? €12/y ?

    What about 7€/year ?

    Thanked by 1barbaros
  • rpqurpqu Member
    edited June 23

    @barbaros said:

    @tentor said:

    @rpqu said:

    @tentor said:
    I have an easier solution

    No cold spam marketing

    Okay, when shkron is going to make sale thread? €12/y ?

    What about 7€/year ?

    Impossible.

    • /24 cost $70/month. €2.755 per /32/y €3.01-3.05 per /32/y
    • 10G nvme RAID1 = €0.721/y
    • electricity: 0.25*24*365*€0.4/200=€4.38/y

    Total €7.856 €8.152~€8.2024 per year
    Not including colo cost, license, network blend, etc

    Thanked by 1barbarza
  • tentortentor Member, Host Rep

    @rpqu said:

    • /24 cost $70/month. €2.755 per /32/y

    Where have you seen such a low price?

  • rpqurpqu Member
    edited June 23

    @tentor said:

    @rpqu said:

    • /24 cost $70/month. €2.755 per /32/y

    Where have you seen such a low price?


    @Shakib said:
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    $1800/Year for /23 or $1000/Year for /24

    https://www.hostcram.com/ip-rental

    @Andreix said:
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    My bad, it's actually €3.051 per /32 year or €3.1104 per 32 year

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  • tentortentor Member, Host Rep

    RIPE is more expensive it seems, my average /24 expense is €115/month

  • rpqurpqu Member
    edited June 23

    @tentor said:
    RIPE is more expensive it seems, my average /24 expense is €115/month

    I think I saw /16 sold for $9/ip few months ago. Your avg. /24 is more expensive than average LET deals at $90-100 per /24 month

  • tentortentor Member, Host Rep

    @rpqu said:

    @tentor said:
    RIPE is more expensive it seems, my average /24 expense is €115/month

    I think I saw /16 sold for $9/ip few months ago

    Sorry, I don't have a spare $590k yet

  • rpqurpqu Member
    edited June 23

    @tentor said:

    @rpqu said:

    @tentor said:
    RIPE is more expensive it seems, my average /24 expense is €115/month

    I think I saw /16 sold for $9/ip few months ago

    Sorry, I don't have a spare $590k yet

    Maybe LET hosts should make joint venture. That's roughly $2.4K per /24 (don't forget the legal fees, etc)
    At that pricing, I would purchase /23 for myself (not this year though, spent too much on HDD)

  • what is email verifier?

  • tentortentor Member, Host Rep
    edited June 23

    @nghialele said:
    what is email verifier?

    As per Abusix,

    "List Washing" is a term often used in email marketing. It refers to the process of cleaning an email list by removing inactive, invalid, or unresponsive email addresses. This is done to improve email deliverability rates, reduce bounce rates, and increase the effectiveness of email marketing campaigns. It ensures that emails are being sent only to those who are interested and actively engaging, which can lead to better open rates, click-through rates, and conversions.

    "Email verifier" is the service doing "list washing".

    This is not considered ethical practice.

    Thanked by 2nghialele forest
  • rpqurpqu Member

    @tentor said:

    @nghialele said:
    what is email verifier?

    As per Abusix,

    "List Washing" is a term often used in email marketing. It refers to the process of cleaning an email list by removing inactive, invalid, or unresponsive email addresses. This is done to improve email deliverability rates, reduce bounce rates, and increase the effectiveness of email marketing campaigns. It ensures that emails are being sent only to those who are interested and actively engaging, which can lead to better open rates, click-through rates, and conversions.

    "Email verifier" is the service doing "list washing".

    This is not considered ethical practice.

    The only ethical practice is...

    "Coupon code for vps, grab it now", "Steam sale", "Black friday deals"

    Thanked by 2tentor forest
  • @tentor said: "Email verifier" is the service doing "list washing".

    This is not necessarily true. We used Email verifier previously to prevent abuse. People were signing up with fake email address, to the extent that our verification code email triggered Amazon SES bounce-rate warning. This was an important safety measure at the time.

    Thanked by 2nghialele forest
  • tentortentor Member, Host Rep

    @dedipromo said:

    @tentor said: "Email verifier" is the service doing "list washing".

    This is not necessarily true. We used Email verifier previously to prevent abuse. People were signing up with fake email address, to the extent that our verification code email triggered Amazon SES bounce-rate warning. This was an important safety measure at the time.

    It is still technically a list washing, though I agree that this particular scenario is completely fine.

    I do think that the better approach is to add some ratelimiting/CAPTCHA to minimize rate at which someone could abuse your signup to send "Email Verification" letter to existing (not bouncing) addresses.

    Thanked by 2dedipromo nghialele
  • @tentor said:

    @nghialele said:
    what is email verifier?

    As per Abusix,

    "List Washing" is a term often used in email marketing. It refers to the process of cleaning an email list by removing inactive, invalid, or unresponsive email addresses. This is done to improve email deliverability rates, reduce bounce rates, and increase the effectiveness of email marketing campaigns. It ensures that emails are being sent only to those who are interested and actively engaging, which can lead to better open rates, click-through rates, and conversions.

    "Email verifier" is the service doing "list washing".

    This is not considered ethical practice.

    Thank you @tentor ! 😍🧡

    Thanked by 1tentor
  • eva2000eva2000 Veteran

    @sadnan07 said:
    There are many good email verifier out there but most are expensive. nobounce costs me more than sending actual emails. I recently found leadpure and mails.so. Which would be better? Mails.so says $9 first month but I guess the price would be more in upcoming months?

    My short list of email validation providers I tested including tests, costs etc https://github.com/centminmod/validate-emails :)

  • ShakibShakib Member, Patron Provider

    My clients are using self-hosted reacher.

    Our KVM-8G plan works perfectly with reacher.email

    https://hostcram.com/vps

  • @tentor said:

    "List Washing" is a term often used in email marketing. It refers to the process of cleaning an email list by removing inactive, invalid, or unresponsive email addresses.

    Is proper bouncing of invalid email addresses still considered good practice?

    I know many providers now simply accept the message and quietly discard it if the destination mailbox does not exist.

    I don't really see much value in helping people harvest mailbox names or clean mailing lists by telling them which addresses exist and which do not.

  • tentortentor Member, Host Rep

    @schwabene said:

    @tentor said:

    "List Washing" is a term often used in email marketing. It refers to the process of cleaning an email list by removing inactive, invalid, or unresponsive email addresses.

    Is proper bouncing of invalid email addresses still considered good practice?

    Backscatter is not considered a good practice, but both Google Workspace and MS365 do it so I guess no one cares anymore?

    Rejecting during SMTP transaction is better than silent discard because sender gets early feedback.

    I know many providers now simply accept the message and quietly discard it if the destination mailbox does not exist.

    I don't really see much value in helping people harvest mailbox names or clean mailing lists by telling them which addresses exist and which do not.

    This is why "list washing" services are not liked amongst mail server operators. You can disable the SMTP VRFY command without negative consequences but silently discarding non-existent recipients worsens UX for legitimate transactions.

    I am not so sure about "many providers now simply accept the message and quietly discard it" part though. At least this is not what I see within e.g. mailop community.

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