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Are you a RIPE LIR member ? Congratulation to the price increase!
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Hi RIPE LIRs!
Why did you vote for option A, when option B could have saved you money?
https://www.ripe.net/media/documents/Voting_Report_-_RIPE_NCC_General_Meeting_May_2026.pdf
https://www.ripe.net/media/documents/6._RIPE_NCC_Charging_Scheme_2027.pdf
Option A: One LIR Account-One Fee model
The fee for your LIR account under this model would be: EUR 1894
Option B: Category model
The fee for your LIR account under this model would be: EUR 500
Unless you own a very large block, i do find it unfair that thousands of small LIRs have to finance the big guys insane block usage.
Now the question, did you even vote ?
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Why do you think the small LIRs voted for this
This looks like the elections in Russia.
I don't know but if @aluy tries to increase my ASN renewal I'm suing him
Of course it's rigged
Anyone else getting some AFRINIC vibes?
im not increasing prices for existing asns
ig if i get an asn now, it's costs double or tripple now....
Option A is preferred for large LIRs with many resources. Option B is suitable for small LIRs with one or few resources. I was surprised by the voting results.
Let’a say I slid you $5, can i get old pricing?
i havent even increased yet 😭 i will when it takes effect
Russia?? F no, more like CA
We became a RIPE LIR too late to vote in this but I would have voted for Option A even though we technically would save money at the moment by voting for Option B as we have a /21 of space under our LIR. Higher billing begins from /20 and above.
In our case, it's future proofing more or less. It would be poor business sense to vote to pay more money if you can avoid it! But I equally totally see the opposite side and do agree from a fairness point of view, usage based billing is the best model.
Well said, it’s unfair to expect those with growth ambitions to vote otherwise, but ignorant to not acknowledge this hurts the smaller man. simply an unfair RIPE change.
I am suing @beanman109
Reason to be decided.
But I am suing for sure
Price increase is only 94 EUR extra in 2027 compared to 2026.
Is it just a simple case of the bigger LIRs getting a larger number if votes. They'd say is it fair that someone with only one IPv6 registration is treated the same as say a major ISP
This if course leads to the results suiting larger LIRs
Funnily enough that is not the case. a massive ISP with a /10 worth of IPv4 space gets the exact same votes as a small LIR who has IPv6 only and is on the waiting list for a single /24. One LIR is one vote in ripe land.
Its crazy how close the A vs B results was, 1547 vs 1479
Even crazier that there were something like 3400 LIRs that were registered to vote and ~400 ish didnt end up voting at all.
I hold the opinion that next 1-2 years there will be another cycle of billing fee increases and RIPE will once again propose this tiered system (fee based on resource holding) but this time it will be something like
Option 1) X Tiered fees
Option 2) Z (cheaper) Tiered fees but with one time application costs for any actions
There wont be an option of "one LIR one fee".
Thats my prediction for the next cycle of changes
Why not bill per IPv4 and use it as an incentive for companies to not sit on insane ip allocations for seemingly no reason
Worst case they refuse to let that stop them and they get to finance RIPE in return?
A or B is similar to any election in any country.
https://lowendtalk.com/discussion/217516/ripe-ncc-charging-scheme-model-a-was-just-now-approved
That will hurt the market
RIPE asn is the new stable coins. Just hoard.
One side effect nobody's talking about: leasing prices.
Most rental supply comes from large holders, and businesses rarely absorb higher costs forever, that delta usually ends up downstream.
Meanwhile, some smaller holders may decide that running a standalone LIR is no longer worth it and move under sponsoring LIRs. That may shift how supply is managed rather than reduce total availability.
Curious how the market looks in 2-3 years.
Given that only ~3.000 out of ~20.000 RIPE members decided to vote in this matter, the vast majority of RIPE members seem not to care about their own fees at all. You cannot force them to pay less.
At the general meeting the RIPE Chair mentioned in his presentation that 3500 members being registered to vote (and 3000 actually voting) was one of the biggest turn out in recent years they have had, which he mentioned shows how LIRs actually do care about this specific vote in comparison to other AGM matters
EDIT: if you are curious to see what the AGM looked like you can watch the recorded version here: https://www.ripe.net/membership/gm/meetings/may-2026/documents-and-archive/video-archive/ the Q&A section for the option A vs option B is probably the most interesting I would think
In the context of RIPE fees I dont fully agree that "price went up and businesses rarely absorb higher costs due to these changes in RIR fees"
I mean, yes it did go up, it went from 1800EUR/yr (2026) to 1894EUR/yr (2027) which is what one could call a 5% inflation.
But that 5% increase is the same/similar 5% increase that happens in ARIN and APNIC for example
Keep in mind APNICs version of fee changes are to Increase the fees in a fixed 5% every single year
While ARIN board is allowed to increase their fees every year without a vote up to a maximum of 5%
What I am getting at is that this is fairly expected and predictable inflation amounts and I dont think that this inflation increase in the RIR fees will have much notable impact on the leasing market.
Peoples maybe being misled due to past years bulk redistributions causing it to be under a thousand euros or sometime less ? Something did not happen in other RIR
Very possible actually! I would like to hope that more and more LIRs will start talking about RIPE's spending schemes rather than RIPE's charging schemes in future.
But thats just my fairly outsider opinion
This reminds me of the flu vaccine.
"It's only X% effective, no point in doing it."
"Wow, X% means an additional 30,000 lives saved, well worth it!"
Hi,
puhhh, luckily it stay's with Option A.... next time maybe i should pay attention to that otherwise it will get messy if the LIR is suddenly multiple times more expensive ^^;